Hey all, I really need to cut back on the spending, so unfortunately have to share a dial-up access. I've got one PC with SuSE 9.2, and the other (in another room) that runs W98. I bought a dial-up modem that has a built in router and 2 NIC's, one card for each system. My question(s): Once I put the NIC's in the systems and hook to the router, what kind of thing(s) do I need to do on the SuSE box? I want to use my dial-up access number and password, so that shouldn't be hard to reconfigure on the windows box, but I'm not sure what to do once I have each PC hooked up to the router. Thanks for any help with this. I have tried to read and study some networking sites, but all it seems to do is confuse me all the more. If someone could just give me a few steps or pointers to try, it'd sure be nice. John B.
John B wrote:
I bought a dial-up modem that has a built in router and 2 NIC's, one card for each system. My question(s):
Once I put the NIC's in the systems and hook to the router, what kind of thing(s) do I need to do on the SuSE box? I'm not sure (we need more info), but my guesses are that 1- the modem-router has built in firewall that does NATing, 2- that it configures via a browser, 3- it has a built-in DHCP server to auto configure you clients, 4- that it does dial on demand. If those assumptions are correct, your computers will not know anything about dial-up, they will only know about the router, i.e will get their IP, gateway, and DNS settings from the router. Whenever they want internet access, their traffic will cause the modem-router to dial-up. So all you would need to do is correctly configure your modem-router via a browser with the correct user/password, and check other settings as needed. BTW, I have never heard of such a device, what brand is it? I want to use my dial-up access number and password, so that shouldn't be hard to reconfigure on the windows box, but I'm not sure what to do once I have each PC hooked up to the router.
Since the modem is not connected to either machine, it will only be dial-up for the router, not for either clients. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 07:58, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
John B wrote:
I bought a dial-up modem that has a built in router and 2 NIC's, one card for each system. My question(s):
Once I put the NIC's in the systems and hook to the router, what kind of thing(s) do I need to do on the SuSE box?
I'm not sure (we need more info), but my guesses are that 1- the modem-router has built in firewall that does NATing, 2- that it configures via a browser, 3- it has a built-in DHCP server to auto configure you clients, 4- that it does dial on demand. If those assumptions are correct, your computers will not know anything about dial-up, they will only know about the router, i.e will get their IP, gateway, and DNS settings from the router. Whenever they want internet access, their traffic will cause the modem-router to dial-up. So all you would need to do is correctly configure your modem-router via a browser with the correct user/password, and check other settings as needed. BTW, I have never heard of such a device, what brand is it?
I want to use my dial-up access number and password, so that shouldn't be hard to reconfigure on the windows box, but I'm not sure what to do once I have each PC hooked up to the router.
Since the modem is not connected to either machine, it will only be dial-up for the router, not for either clients.
Okay, confused to the max, heh. This is just one of those subjects that just makes absolutely no sense to me no matter how hard I read and study it <sigh>. By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router. The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's.
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 11:05 -0600, John B wrote:
Okay, confused to the max, heh. This is just one of those subjects that just makes absolutely no sense to me no matter how hard I read and study it <sigh>. By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router. The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's.
1. Take modem out of box. 2. Connect phone line to modem. 3. Connect both PC's to modem, one per port. 4. Turn on modem. 5. Configure both PC's to use DHCP and restart network software or reboot. 6. Connect to modem using a web browser per instructions that came with the modem. 7. Configure modem for your ISP settings. If you need more detailed instructions than these you will need to call tech support for the modem. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please* "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:19, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 11:05 -0600, John B wrote:
Okay, confused to the max, heh. This is just one of those subjects that just makes absolutely no sense to me no matter how hard I read and study it <sigh>. By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router. The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's.
1. Take modem out of box. 2. Connect phone line to modem. 3. Connect both PC's to modem, one per port. 4. Turn on modem. 5. Configure both PC's to use DHCP and restart network software or reboot. 6. Connect to modem using a web browser per instructions that came with the modem. 7. Configure modem for your ISP settings.
If you need more detailed instructions than these you will need to call tech support for the modem.
WOOHOO! Thanks Ken! Nice and simple, just the way I was needing it.
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:19, Ken Schneider wrote: <snip>
1. Take modem out of box. 2. Connect phone line to modem. 3. Connect both PC's to modem, one per port. 4. Turn on modem. 5. Configure both PC's to use DHCP and restart network software or reboot. 6. Connect to modem using a web browser per instructions that came with the modem. 7. Configure modem for your ISP settings.
Hi Ken,
Got a new problem, I guess it is. I did fine with your instructions, hooked
everything up, and even got to the webpage of the modem. Entered the info
necessary, connected fine (I even heard it dial up and connect), but when I
tried to get to my homepage afterwards (yahoo.com), it couldn't find it.
Anything I tried to navigate to wouldn't come up.
I then went into YaST, network devices, NIC, and started to do stuff with
adding gateway and router numbers and stuff. Now, it won't even come up to
the modem webpage at all. I deleted the NIC, and started fresh and didn't
touch anything...like the very first time...but it still won't come up to the
modem webpage.
Am I supposed to tell the NIC to route or gateway or something? I did an
ifstatus eth0, and got this:
linux:/home/me # ifstatus eth0
eth0 device: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100
(rev 11)
eth0 configuration: eth-id-00:12:17:50:ea:a0
dhcpcd running
2: eth0:
On Apr 6, 2005 5:12 PM, John B
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:19, Ken Schneider wrote:
<snip>
1. Take modem out of box. 2. Connect phone line to modem. 3. Connect both PC's to modem, one per port. 4. Turn on modem. 5. Configure both PC's to use DHCP and restart network software or reboot. 6. Connect to modem using a web browser per instructions that came with the modem. 7. Configure modem for your ISP settings.
Hi Ken,
Got a new problem, I guess it is. I did fine with your instructions, hooked everything up, and even got to the webpage of the modem. Entered the info necessary, connected fine (I even heard it dial up and connect), but when I tried to get to my homepage afterwards (yahoo.com), it couldn't find it. Anything I tried to navigate to wouldn't come up. I then went into YaST, network devices, NIC, and started to do stuff with adding gateway and router numbers and stuff. Now, it won't even come up to the modem webpage at all. I deleted the NIC, and started fresh and didn't touch anything...like the very first time...but it still won't come up to the modem webpage. Am I supposed to tell the NIC to route or gateway or something? I did an ifstatus eth0, and got this:
linux:/home/me # ifstatus eth0 eth0 device: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11) eth0 configuration: eth-id-00:12:17:50:ea:a0 dhcpcd running 2: eth0:
mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:12:17:50:ea:a0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 10.0.0.4/8 brd 255.255.255.255 scope global eth0 current lease for eth0: IPADDR=10.0.0.4 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 GATEWAY=10.0.0.2 DNS=10.0.0.2 DHCPSIADDR=0.0.0.0 DHCPCHADDR=00:12:17:50:EA:A0 REBINDTIME=75600
Looks like your machine obtains all the info needed. So, your router should be on: http://10.0.0.2/ What happens when you enter this in your browser? Sunny
What am I supposed to do with this stuff? How do I make the NIC let info back 'from' the modem to my browser and vice versa?
Sorry if these are not decent questions, but as I said earlier, this networking stuff just gives my brain the fits and I feel it melt into a blob of jello trying to figure it all out.
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On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 18:15 -0500, Sunny wrote:
On Apr 6, 2005 5:12 PM, John B
wrote: On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:19, Ken Schneider wrote:
<snip>
1. Take modem out of box. 2. Connect phone line to modem. 3. Connect both PC's to modem, one per port. 4. Turn on modem. 5. Configure both PC's to use DHCP and restart network software or reboot. 6. Connect to modem using a web browser per instructions that came with the modem. 7. Configure modem for your ISP settings.
Hi Ken,
Got a new problem, I guess it is. I did fine with your instructions, hooked everything up, and even got to the webpage of the modem. Entered the info necessary, connected fine (I even heard it dial up and connect), but when I tried to get to my homepage afterwards (yahoo.com), it couldn't find it. Anything I tried to navigate to wouldn't come up. I then went into YaST, network devices, NIC, and started to do stuff with adding gateway and router numbers and stuff. Now, it won't even come up to the modem webpage at all. I deleted the NIC, and started fresh and didn't touch anything...like the very first time...but it still won't come up to the modem webpage. Am I supposed to tell the NIC to route or gateway or something? I did an ifstatus eth0, and got this:
linux:/home/me # ifstatus eth0 eth0 device: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11) eth0 configuration: eth-id-00:12:17:50:ea:a0 dhcpcd running 2: eth0:
mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:12:17:50:ea:a0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 10.0.0.4/8 brd 255.255.255.255 scope global eth0 current lease for eth0: IPADDR=10.0.0.4 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 GATEWAY=10.0.0.2 DNS=10.0.0.2 DHCPSIADDR=0.0.0.0 DHCPCHADDR=00:12:17:50:EA:A0 REBINDTIME=75600 Looks like your machine obtains all the info needed. So, your router should be on:
What happens when you enter this in your browser?
Sunny
Exactly what I was going to suggest. It looks like the default route (gateway) should be 10.0.0.2 and should be set automatically for you from the DHCP server. Try cat /etc/resolv.conf and report the results here. You may not have DNS info set up. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please* "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
On Wednesday 06 April 2005 18:25, Ken Schneider wrote: <snip>
Looks like your machine obtains all the info needed. So, your router should be on:
What happens when you enter this in your browser?
Sunny
Exactly what I was going to suggest. It looks like the default route (gateway) should be 10.0.0.2 and should be set automatically for you from the DHCP server. Try cat /etc/resolv.conf and report the results here. You may not have DNS info set up.
-- Ken Schneider
Sorry if I didn't explain it well. I have entered that 10.0.0.2 into my browser, and that's when the router/modem's webpage(?) pops up and it gives me dial-up options on the left pane (to set the phone # to dial, my user name, password, quick-connect, redial on WAN, etc), and in the main pane, it has the status of the connection and a 'connect' or 'disconnect' button. When I get all my info entered and it saves it to the flash in the router and it reboots, I click on the 'connect' button, and I'll hear it dial, but I keep getting an 'connection error' (no logs to look at though unfortunately). I've installed dhcp, dhcpd, and rp-pppoe on my system, but have no clue what to do with them. Here's the info you asked for: me@linux:~> cat /etc/resolv.conf ### BEGIN INFO # # Modified_by: dhcpcd # Backup: /etc/resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpcd.eth0 # Process: dhcpcd # Process_id: 4081 # Script: /sbin/modify_resolvconf # Saveto: # Info: This is a temporary resolv.conf created by service dhcpcd. # The previous file has been saved and will be restored later. # # If you don't like your resolv.conf to be changed, you # can set MODIFY_{RESOLV,NAMED}_CONF_DYNAMICALLY=no. This # variables are placed in /etc/sysconfig/network/config. # # You can also configure service dhcpcd not to modify it. # # If you don't like dhcpcd to change your nameserver # settings # then either set DHCLIENT_MODIFY_RESOLV_CONF=no # in /etc/sysconfig/network/dhcp, or # set MODIFY_RESOLV_CONF_DYNAMICALLY=no in # /etc/sysconfig/network/config or (manually) use dhcpcd # with -R. If you only want to keep your searchlist, set # DHCLIENT_KEEP_SEARCHLIST=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network/dhcp or # (manually) use the -K option. # ### END INFO domain site nameserver 10.0.0.2 That's all that shows up. Am I perhaps supposed to start something? Like dhcpd or something? If so, how? This is so frustrating, and I know its not Linux' fault, it's just that I get far too easily confused with this networking stuff, but I really do appreciate your and Sunny's help with this. John
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 03:20 -0500, John B wrote:
Sorry if I didn't explain it well. I have entered that 10.0.0.2 into my browser, and that's when the router/modem's webpage(?) pops up and it gives me dial-up options on the left pane (to set the phone # to dial, my user name, password, quick-connect, redial on WAN, etc), and in the main pane, it has the status of the connection and a 'connect' or 'disconnect' button. When I get all my info entered and it saves it to the flash in the router and it reboots, I click on the 'connect' button, and I'll hear it dial, but I keep getting an 'connection error' (no logs to look at though unfortunately). I've installed dhcp, dhcpd, and rp-pppoe on my system, but have no clue what to do with them. Here's the info you asked for:
No need to install these the router supplies these. Actually the rp-pppoe package is Roaring Penguin-PPP Over Ethernet and is mainly intended for DSL/CABLE connections. In your previous post you stated that you could not connect to the modem web interface, where you incorrect about that? Since you keep getting a connection error you need to call your ISP for further help. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please* "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
Are you sure that your username and password is correct?
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:57:38 -0400
Ken Schneider
Sorry if I didn't explain it well. I have entered
browser, and that's when the router/modem's webpage(?)
me dial-up options on the left pane (to set the phone # to dial, my user name, password, quick-connect, redial on WAN, etc), and in the main pane, it has the status of the connection and a 'connect' or 'disconnect' button. When I get all my info entered and it saves it to the flash in the router and it reboots, I click on the 'connect' button, and I'll hear it dial, but I keep getting an 'connection error' (no logs to look at
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 03:20 -0500, John B wrote: that 10.0.0.2 into my pops up and it gives though unfortunately).
I've installed dhcp, dhcpd, and rp-pppoe on my system, but have no clue what to do with them. Here's the info you asked for:
No need to install these the router supplies these. Actually the rp-pppoe package is Roaring Penguin-PPP Over Ethernet and is mainly intended for DSL/CABLE connections. In your previous post you stated that you could not connect to the modem web interface, where you incorrect about that?
Since you keep getting a connection error you need to call your ISP for further help.
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On Thursday 07 April 2005 06:57, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 03:20 -0500, John B wrote:
<snip>
I've installed dhcp, dhcpd, and rp-pppoe on my system, but have no clue what to do with them. Here's the info you asked for:
No need to install these the router supplies these.
Oh...so I can uninstall those things, correct?
Actually the rp-pppoe package is Roaring Penguin-PPP Over Ethernet and is mainly intended for DSL/CABLE connections.
Aha, gotcha. I was just trying anything I could think of, heh.
In your previous post you stated that you could not connect to the modem web interface, where you incorrect about that?
Yessir, I was wrong...I am able to connect to the modem interface, and it dials when I click on the 'connect' button. It's a 'connection error' message I receive after it's trying to connect to my ISP.
Since you keep getting a connection error you need to call your ISP for further help.
Starting to look that way, since, as you said, it's trying to connect but the connection is being refused outside the router at the ISP. Thanks Ken and everyone for helping me straighten things out and ease my confusion a good deal. This is still the best damn list there is and the best folk!
By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router. I think you misunderstood. It is an external router with a built-in hub/switch AND modem. It is the router that will control the modem, NOT
John B wrote: the computers. The only problem I can see is with the dial-up by demand. I don't know how many hours you have with your ISP, but I was amazed at how often dial on demand causes a connection, last time I used it.
The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's. and it is correct. As far as your w98 and SuSE box go, they are on a LAN with the router as their DHCP server and WAN gateway, and probably DNS server as well. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:39, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
John B wrote:
By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router.
I think you misunderstood. It is an external router with a built-in hub/switch AND modem. It is the router that will control the modem, NOT the computers. The only problem I can see is with the dial-up by demand. I don't know how many hours you have with your ISP, but I was amazed at how often dial on demand causes a connection, last time I used it.
The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's.
and it is correct. As far as your w98 and SuSE box go, they are on a LAN with the router as their DHCP server and WAN gateway, and probably DNS server as well. -- Joe Morris
Thanks Joe for your help. I've got unlimited dial-up time with my ISP, so no problems there. As far as dial-on-demand, the instructions look to me to read that all I have to do is just use my regular dial-up process (I use kppp), and if the modem is already connected, the other computer(s) only need to just open a browser and go where they want or whatever, no need for them to dial or anything. Anyway, I'm gonna give Ken's instructions a shot and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have everything plugged in and set up and then install dhcp on my SuSE system, and just follow the instructions on the CD for the W98 system...hopefully it'll be a cake walk. John B.
Another way to think about what Ken is saying.... If you had internet access via DSL/CableModem that you wanted to share, you would have an RJ45 cable plugged into the WAN port of a broadband router and the computers pluged in to the lan side of the router. The router has its own mac address on the WAN side so the ISP can't tell weather its a PC, or a router. It looks the same to the ISP. Then the router itself has its own built in DHCP and assigns addresses and DNS values (that it gets from the ISP DHCP server for DNS). The computers don't have any idea where anything comes from and doesn't care. When you make a request for a connection to a computer outside of you own network, like a web page, ftp session, etc. your computer has the address of the router as the gateway, so it sees that in order to get to an address that is outside of its known network (internet) go through the gateway(router). Which in turn remembers what computer made the request, and the router will make the connection to the internet computer with its valid IP address and convert the response to the IP address of the computer inside your network. (IP Masquerading) <-- can't spell! The only difference with this typical internet sharing via broadband router and the modem router you have is instead of pugging the RJ45 from the DSL/Cable modem into the router, you plug in a phone line and the router calls into the ISP. The computers don't know the difference. Not only does this make the router compatible with windows, mac, unix, linux, netware, etc. It makes it compatible with anything that knows TCP/IP networking and DHCP (like appliances, game consoles, etc). There even used to be hardware out there (WebRamp) that could have several modems dialed into the ISP at once and increase the bandwidth that way. Hope that helps. B-) On Wednesday 30 March 2005 01:25 pm, John B wrote:
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:39, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
John B wrote:
By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router.
I think you misunderstood. It is an external router with a built-in hub/switch AND modem. It is the router that will control the modem, NOT the computers. The only problem I can see is with the dial-up by demand. I don't know how many hours you have with your ISP, but I was amazed at how often dial on demand causes a connection, last time I used it.
The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's.
and it is correct. As far as your w98 and SuSE box go, they are on a LAN with the router as their DHCP server and WAN gateway, and probably DNS server as well. -- Joe Morris
Thanks Joe for your help. I've got unlimited dial-up time with my ISP, so no problems there. As far as dial-on-demand, the instructions look to me to read that all I have to do is just use my regular dial-up process (I use kppp), and if the modem is already connected, the other computer(s) only need to just open a browser and go where they want or whatever, no need for them to dial or anything. Anyway, I'm gonna give Ken's instructions a shot and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have everything plugged in and set up and then install dhcp on my SuSE system, and just follow the instructions on the CD for the W98 system...hopefully it'll be a cake walk.
John B.
John B wrote:
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:39, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
John B wrote:
By the way, the modem/router is a Best Data model 56NET. It's an external ethernet modem with a built-in router.
I think you misunderstood. It is an external router with a built-in hub/switch AND modem. It is the router that will control the modem, NOT the computers. The only problem I can see is with the dial-up by demand. I don't know how many hours you have with your ISP, but I was amazed at how often dial on demand causes a connection, last time I used it.
The box even says it's compatible with UNIX and Linux and the other OS's.
and it is correct. As far as your w98 and SuSE box go, they are on a LAN with the router as their DHCP server and WAN gateway, and probably DNS server as well. -- Joe Morris
Thanks Joe for your help. I've got unlimited dial-up time with my ISP, so no problems there. As far as dial-on-demand, the instructions look to me to read that all I have to do is just use my regular dial-up process (I use kppp), and if the modem is already connected, the other computer(s) only need to just open a browser and go where they want or whatever, no need for them to dial or anything. Anyway, I'm gonna give Ken's instructions a shot and see what happens. I'm gonna wait until I have everything plugged in and set up and then install dhcp on my SuSE system, and just follow the instructions on the CD for the W98 system...hopefully it'll be a cake walk.
John B.
That's the way I did it many moons ago, fire up the box connected to the modem with IP Forwarding turned on and used kppp to dial up. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired Large IBM and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux for all Computing Tasks
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 08:18, John B wrote:
Hey all,
I really need to cut back on the spending, so unfortunately have to share a dial-up access. I've got one PC with SuSE 9.2, and the other (in another room) that runs W98. I bought a dial-up modem that has a built in router and 2 NIC's, one card for each system. My question(s):
Once I put the NIC's in the systems and hook to the router, what kind of thing(s) do I need to do on the SuSE box? I want to use my dial-up access number and password, so that shouldn't be hard to reconfigure on the windows box, but I'm not sure what to do once I have each PC hooked up to the router.
I had a similar device (a Duxbury DSL/Cable router with dial-on-demand) and it worked by configuring it via a web interface (browse to http://192.168.168.1) and setup your dialup parameters (such as account name, account password, ISP name) in the router. It also had a DHCP server. One this was done, internet access was transparent as all the necessary parameters on the SuSe box are downloaded via the DHCP server - just set the ethernet device on SuSE to use DHCP- likewise for W98. BTW be careful about dial-on-demand - there was no easy way of terminating the connection (we would power cycle it to terminate). One could set a timer i.e. after (say) 60s of inactivity disconnect but one could easily exceed any timeout if one paused to read a web page. After incurring high telco costs when the damn thing redialed 2000 times in one day (incurring reconnect charges each time) I converted to ADSL 24hrs access .... PaulH -- Paul Hewlett (Linux #359543) Tel: +27 21 852 8812 Cel: +27 72 719 2725 Fax: +27 86 672 0563 --
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