Re: [opensuse] Eclipse 3.3
Well, Jason, perhaps they have changed but it doesn't look like it. I read the reason they had to ship their own jvm was because real java cannot be used to do their instant/constant compilation -- that's what I've read. I've also read there is a JSR to add that capability to real Java. In my experience, and admittedly I do a lot of Swing development, Eclipse is not usable on Linux (unless the one jvm instance per open JFrame was a bug they've since fixed). I've seen plugins that have specific warnings they only work on Windows. To me, that voids the whole concept of Java. Chuck On 11/15/07, Jason Craig <jacraig@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
I'm with you, Glen. Eclipse 3.3 on openSuse 10.2 just sucks. I presume it would be the same on 10.3. I find nothing wrong with Java 1.6. I've been using 1.6 features for many months without ANY problems. The major problem with Eclipse is they ship their own jvm if I recall correctly. And stuff written to their jvm may not work on real Java. Secondly, if you want to create Swing components it starts an instance of the jvm for each JFrame -- which means your memory is gone in a big hurry. Swing development is really painfully S-L-O-W. I won't go into the issues with SWT which are fairly well documented elsewhere That's a lie. You say the major problem with Eclipse is that they ship
Chuck Davis wrote: their own JVM. They don't. They require you to supply your own, and recommend that you use 1.5. So, now what is Eclipse's major problem?
As far as Java, I generally dislike Java and don't use it much, so I don't feel I can comment on Eclipse for Java work, but I use it daily for web development, PHP, and Python, and semi-daily for C/C++, and I love it. On SUSE 10.2 and 10.3. I love how I can go from work computer to laptop to my home (SUSE) box and work on the same (or different) projects with the same tool, and different underlying build environments.
--Jason
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In my experience, and admittedly I do a lot of Swing development, Eclipse is not usable on Linux (unless the one jvm instance per open JFrame was a bug they've since fixed). I've seen plugins that have specific warnings they only work on Windows. To me, that voids the whole concept of Java.
Chuck
In some cases this is because the plugin produces Windows related functionality, so to put it on Linux would be more than a little silly. There a also quite a few of Java applications that will only run on a restricted number of platforms. Though the concept of build once to run on many platforms is great, it is not always practicable. It does not negate the concept, but just reflects the nature of the real world. I have in the past been involved in multi-language development work where one has built various components with the language best fittest to the task the component needs to perform, and it used to be a pain switching between different sets of tools to work on different aspects of the project. Having everything in one place is more than a little useful. With integration of abstract design level frameworks such as UML, (and if you have the cash Rational Rose and similar products) and with integration into both CVS and Subversion one has a very powerful integrated development environment which is not restricted to Java which is the point you are obviously missing. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPdr/asN0sSnLmgIRAjKaAJ9QGsyp+L3xJdViDipqUCOOykQjFQCgllTs qY1eZ/puo/Lnk6enHGNXw0o= =JiEH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Chuck Davis wrote:
Well, Jason, perhaps they have changed but it doesn't look like it.
I read the reason they had to ship their own jvm was because real java cannot be used to do their instant/constant compilation -- that's what I've read. I've also read there is a JSR to add that capability to real Java.
In my experience, and admittedly I do a lot of Swing development, Eclipse is not usable on Linux (unless the one jvm instance per open JFrame was a bug they've since fixed). I've seen plugins that have specific warnings they only work on Windows. To me, that voids the whole concept of Java.
Chuck
Well, whatever you have read is wrong. Eclipse does *NOT* provide it's own JVM. http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Eclipse_FAQs#Getting_Started --Jason -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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