Kastus <NOSPAM@tprfct.net> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:53:04PM -0400, GarUlbricht7@netscape.net wrote:
doesn't SuSE have a separate mailing list for "full automatic update" in YOU" namely:
"suse-autoinstall"
suse-autoinstall is about AutoYast2, i.e. automatic Linux installation and configuration with Yast2, it has nothing to do with updating packages on a running system.
Please also see http://www.suse.com/~nashif/autoinstall/
I know of only 3 tools for automatic update in SuSE: YOU, apt, fou4s
Regards, -Kastus
Kastus, Thanks for clarifying that--- I tried to check the Archieved mailing list but for some reason I having been having trouble getting into SUSE's archieves. My connection usually times out before it loads. it is especially bad with the SLE arhieves http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2003-Oct/ Anyone else experiencing this? Gar __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
GarUlbricht7@netscape.net wrote:
Kastus <NOSPAM@tprfct.net> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:53:04PM -0400, GarUlbricht7@netscape.net wrote:
doesn't SuSE have a separate mailing list for "full automatic update" in YOU" namely:
"suse-autoinstall"
suse-autoinstall is about AutoYast2, i.e. automatic Linux installation and configuration with Yast2, it has nothing to do with updating packages on a running system.
Please also see http://www.suse.com/~nashif/autoinstall/
I know of only 3 tools for automatic update in SuSE: YOU, apt, fou4s
What is the community's experience with these three methods? Is there a clearly preferred method? Kirk
On 10/23/2003 09:07 PM, Kirk Lowery wrote:
What is the community's experience with these three methods? Is there a clearly preferred method?
I use all 3 interchangably. They each have their strengths and limitations. Apt's strength is its ability to update all rpms in the database, with very good dependency checking. Its weakness is that it can do much damage with one poorly understood choice, and it needs a manual run of ldconfig and SuSEconfig. It has gotten better, and is great at keeping your whole system as up to date as there are packages available. It is really not just an update tool, but more of a packaging tool. Fou4s' strength is it is fast, and it outputs which processes need restarting after an update, and it runs SuSEconfig. I (to be sure) also manually run ldconfig after using it. It is a great command line update tool, but even though I know it can do more, that is how I have used it, and it works great. YOU is also very good. It runs ldconfig and Suseconfig, can update those packages that can be updated, and works very well. It's weaknesses are it is slower, and can be finnicky at times. The greatest thing about the whole thing is you can use 1, 2, or all 3 interchangeably, as they are tools that work with the same rpm database. I can't imagine a better situation. You can use whichever you like. I realize these are just my ramblings based on my experiences with all 3, so YMMV. I use them for what they do well, and am pleased with them all. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 15:07, Kirk Lowery wrote:
GarUlbricht7@netscape.net wrote:
Kastus <NOSPAM@tprfct.net> wrote:
I know of only 3 tools for automatic update in SuSE: YOU, apt, fou4s
What is the community's experience with these three methods? Is there a clearly preferred method? I am not "the community", but this is my experience:
* SuSE wants you to use YOU. It is sufficient for users who want to "run a plain SuSE system". In general, it is pretty unflexible and not really useful for "power users" (Eg. to update from 3rd party sources or locally built packages). SuSE proprietary, isolated solution, doesn't not interact well with other update-tools. * Apt-rpm is a port of Debian's update system to RPM. Basically it's pretty flexible and applicable to advanced usages, but it's still somewhat immature when looking into details. Not easy to get started with. Reveals all kind of packaging bugs vendors commit. Widely used across distributions. Doesn't interact well with SuSEConfig. * No personal experience with fou4s. * Finally, there is yum. I don't know of a port to SuSE, yet, but as SuSE-9.0 has started to use rpm-4, it should be possible to port it to SuSE. Similar functionality to YOU or RH's up2date, easy to use, not as flexible as apt-rpm, officially adopted by RH/Fedora. A nice tool to administer a local network with a "customized local distribution". IMHO, it depends on you personal demands. If you use "SuSE-only" packages, or are a beginner, YOU is the tool of your choice. If you use many Non-SuSE (third party or local packages), or are a power-user, apt-rpm or yum probably are preferable. The most flexible and most complex one of these definitely is apt-rpm. In all cases, switching between these tools means asking for trouble, relying on one of these only is a good idea. Ralf
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