I believe a lot of people are thinking of the GNOME/KDE situation in terms of which DE is easier to use, or more attractive, stable, installable, compatable, etc. If you are thinking in those terms, then you are missing the reason I am - and I suspect Mantel is - so upset about the appearant decision on the part of Novell to force SuSE to stop funding the KDE. The KDE is a community. It's a development team scattered all over the world. Sometimes the only common language the people working on a component speak well is C++. My contributions to the KDE are rather small, and mostly consist of bug reports and a few personality conflict resolutions. But those minor contributions represent thousands of hours of reading source code, playing with software, building from CVS/SVN, reading existing bug reports to find out if what I'm reporting is a known issue, learning C++, etc. I have never met a single KDE developer face-to-face, but I have been corresponding with them for years. I consider them to be my friends. Taking an axe to that community isn't just about messing with an outstanding software project, it's about hurting my friends. Steven
On Friday 11 November 2005 01:37 pm, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
I believe a lot of people are thinking of the GNOME/KDE situation in terms of which DE is easier to use, or more attractive, stable, installable, compatable, etc. If you are thinking in those terms, then you are missing the reason I am - and I suspect Mantel is - so upset about the appearant decision on the part of Novell to force SuSE to stop funding the KDE. The KDE is a community. It's a development team scattered all over the world. Sometimes the only common language the people working on a component speak well is C++.
My contributions to the KDE are rather small, and mostly consist of bug reports and a few personality conflict resolutions. But those minor contributions represent thousands of hours of reading source code, playing with software, building from CVS/SVN, reading existing bug reports to find out if what I'm reporting is a known issue, learning C++, etc. I have never met a single KDE developer face-to-face, but I have been corresponding with them for years. I consider them to be my friends. Taking an axe to that community isn't just about messing with an outstanding software project, it's about hurting my friends.
Steven
BTW, this is part of what I meant by Novell execs not quite getting it. But there's more to it than that. Steven
On 11/11/05, Steven T. Hatton
the reason I am - and I suspect Mantel is - so upset about the appearant decision on the part of Novell to force SuSE to stop funding the KDE. The
Is this true? Is Novell trying to force SUSE to stop funding KDE development? Are there any articles or statements available? Where can I read about this? Thanks -- Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~
On Saturday 12 November 2005 07:17 am, Andre Truter wrote:
On 11/11/05, Steven T. Hatton
wrote: [..] the reason I am - and I suspect Mantel is - so upset about the appearant decision on the part of Novell to force SuSE to stop funding the KDE. The
Is this true? Is Novell trying to force SUSE to stop funding KDE development? Are there any articles or statements available? Where can I read about this?
"I'm just happy we picked one [desktop]. It makes no sense to support two desktops that do the same thing when you're trying to cut costs." - Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux I have a hard time reading much else into that statement. Steven
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
"I'm just happy we picked one [desktop]. It makes no sense to support two desktops that do the same thing when you're trying to cut costs." - Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux
I have a hard time reading much else into that statement.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1885694,00.asp http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/66068
On Saturday 12 November 2005 08:29 am, Peter Van Lone wrote:
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
wrote: "I'm just happy we picked one [desktop]. It makes no sense to support two desktops that do the same thing when you're trying to cut costs." - Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux
I have a hard time reading much else into that statement.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1885694,00.asp http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/66068
Thanks, that's reassuring. I will have to say this. After poking around in the GNOME a bit to see if it provides the same level of functionality as the KDE I have concluded that it does not, and in a big way. I'm not going to get into details, but there are features in the KDE that are simply better than their GNOME counterparts. Steven
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
I will have to say this. After poking around in the GNOME a bit to see if it provides the same level of functionality as the KDE I have concluded that it does not, and in a big way. I'm not going to get into details, but there are features in the KDE that are simply better than their GNOME counterparts.
That is the advantage of having a choice. Different people do things differently. I have been playing around with KDE since I first started using SuSE, and every time I go back to GNOME of XFCE. It is not that KDE is bad or anything (KDE is a good desktop environment), but I just like the way that GNOME does things and there are certain functionality in GNOME that I cannot get in KDE. It is probably there, but not in the format or way that I am used to. I guess one gets used to a certain way that things are done and then you stick with it. But this does not make any other tool bad. The other tools cater for other people. If everybody used the same desktop environment, then we would be back in the Windows world where we don't have a choice. -- Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
"I'm just happy we picked one [desktop]. It makes no sense to support two desktops that do the same thing when you're trying to cut costs." - Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux
I have a hard time reading much else into that statement.
From which article does that come? Where can I read it? In which context was it said? When did he say that?
-- Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~
On Saturday 12 November 2005 08:41 am, Andre Truter wrote:
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
wrote: "I'm just happy we picked one [desktop]. It makes no sense to support two desktops that do the same thing when you're trying to cut costs." - Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux
I have a hard time reading much else into that statement.
From which article does that come? Where can I read it? In which context was it said? When did he say that?
Le samedi 12 novembre 2005 à 08:44 -0500, Steven T. Hatton a écrit :
On Saturday 12 November 2005 08:41 am, Andre Truter wrote:
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
wrote: "I'm just happy we picked one [desktop]. It makes no sense to support two desktops that do the same thing when you're trying to cut costs." - Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux
I have a hard time reading much else into that statement.
From which article does that come? Where can I read it? In which context was it said? When did he say that?
i don't like this kind of answer -- Laurent Renard
On 11/12/05, Steven T. Hatton
From which article does that come? Where can I read it? In which context was it said? When did he say that?
The only hits that Google give me on that are articles that actually state that opposite. Yes, theya re going to focus the enterprise products on GNOME, but it will still include KDE and OpenSUSE and SUSE Linux will still have KDE as a desktop. I fail to see how you got to your conclusion that SUSE is dropping KDE development support or even KDE support in general from any of the articles I could find. But I see that Peter posted links to articles that clears up the matter. -- Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~
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