[opensuse] smbd does not start in oS 12.1
Hello: In my openSUSE 12.1 system smbd does not start at boot. I use systemd. ~> smbclient -L localhost WARNING: The security=share option is deprecated WARNING: no network interfaces found Enter user's password: Connection to localhost failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED) ~> ps -e|grep -i nmb ~> ~> ps -e|grep -i smb 4344 ? 00:00:00 smbd 4359 ? 00:00:00 smbd ~> Related line in /var/log/messages: Jul 12 12:20:11 linux nmb[3937]: Starting Samba NMB daemon ..failed Jul 12 12:20:11 linux systemd[1]: nmb.service: control process exited, code=exited status=7 Jul 12 12:20:11 linux systemd[1]: Unit nmb.service entered failed state. Jul 12 12:20:11 linux smbd[4334]: [2012/07/12 12:20:11.474016, 0] lib/interface.c:543(load_interfaces) Jul 12 12:20:11 linux smbd[4334]: WARNING: no network interfaces found Jul 12 12:20:11 linux smb[4287]: Starting Samba SMB daemon ..done I found this: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-bugs/2012-01/msg00755.html https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739360 but I think my problem can be differewnt since I have up to date samba packages: samba-client-32bit-3.6.3-34.12.1.x86_64 samba-3.6.3-34.12.1.x86_64 If I restart nmbd and smbd manually, they work. What should I check? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Istvan Gabor [12.07.2012 13:06]:
Hello:
I found this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739360
but I think my problem can be differewnt since I have up to date samba packages:
What should I check?
Are the rules for AppArmor up to date? Is systemd up to date? (up to date here means "no patches wait for installation") Regards, Werner -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 12. 13:42 napon Werner Flamme <werner.flamme@email.de> írta:
Istvan Gabor [12.07.2012 13:06]:
Hello:
I found this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739360
but I think my problem can be differewnt since I have up to date samba packages:
What should I check?
Are the rules for AppArmor up to date? Is systemd up to date? (up to date here means "no patches wait for installation")
Thanks for replying. systemd is up to date: ~> rpm -qa|grep -i systemd systemd-sysvinit-37-3.14.1.x86_64 systemd-presets-branding-openSUSE-0.1.0-6.2.1.noarch systemd-37-3.14.1.x86_64 I don't have any apparmor packages installed: ~> rpm -qa|grep -i apparmor ~> I have done an online update in the meantime, everything is up to date. No change in samba behavior. Regards, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 12. 14:42 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 12. 13:42 napon Werner Flamme <werner.flamme@email.de> írta:
Istvan Gabor [12.07.2012 13:06]:
Hello:
I found this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739360
but I think my problem can be differewnt since I have up to date samba packages:
What should I check?
Are the rules for AppArmor up to date? Is systemd up to date? (up to date here means "no patches wait for installation")
Thanks for replying. systemd is up to date:
~> rpm -qa|grep -i systemd systemd-sysvinit-37-3.14.1.x86_64 systemd-presets-branding-openSUSE-0.1.0-6.2.1.noarch systemd-37-3.14.1.x86_64
I don't have any apparmor packages installed: ~> rpm -qa|grep -i apparmor ~>
I have done an online update in the meantime, everything is up to date. No change in samba behavior.
Addon: I switched to sysvinit-init boot mode but it hasn't made any difference either. Might this issue be related to a nonexistent network interface (vboxnet0) at boot? This is a virtualbox host-only network interface that is not activated until virtualbox has been started. Even "ifconfig -a" does not show it. Lines from my /etc/samba/smb.conf file: [global] add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody -s /bin/false %m$ domain logons = No domain master = No local master = Yes os level = 65 preferred master = Yes security = share wins support = No workgroup = SAMBA bind interfaces only = No interfaces = vboxnet0 netbios name = LINUX passdb backend = smbpasswd usershare allow guests = No ldap suffix = wins server = Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 12. 14:57 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 12. 14:42 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 12. 13:42 napon Werner Flamme <werner.flamme@email.de> írta:
Istvan Gabor [12.07.2012 13:06]:
Hello:
I found this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739360
but I think my problem can be differewnt since I have up to date samba packages:
What should I check?
Are the rules for AppArmor up to date? Is systemd up to date? (up to date here means "no patches wait for installation")
Thanks for replying. systemd is up to date:
~> rpm -qa|grep -i systemd systemd-sysvinit-37-3.14.1.x86_64 systemd-presets-branding-openSUSE-0.1.0-6.2.1.noarch systemd-37-3.14.1.x86_64
I don't have any apparmor packages installed: ~> rpm -qa|grep -i apparmor ~>
I have done an online update in the meantime, everything is up to date. No change in samba behavior.
Addon 2: I have removed my /etc/samba directory and made a completely new samba configuration YaST (by going through the configuration steps in YaST). Still no running nmbd after boot. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 12. 22:49 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 12. 14:57 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 12. 14:42 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 12. 13:42 napon Werner Flamme <werner.flamme@email.de> írta:
Istvan Gabor [12.07.2012 13:06]:
Hello:
I found this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739360
but I think my problem can be differewnt since I have up to date samba packages:
What should I check?
Are the rules for AppArmor up to date? Is systemd up to date? (up to date here means "no patches wait for installation")
Thanks for replying. systemd is up to date:
~> rpm -qa|grep -i systemd systemd-sysvinit-37-3.14.1.x86_64 systemd-presets-branding-openSUSE-0.1.0-6.2.1.noarch systemd-37-3.14.1.x86_64
I don't have any apparmor packages installed: ~> rpm -qa|grep -i apparmor ~>
I have done an online update in the meantime, everything is up to date. No change in samba behavior.
Addon 2:
I have removed my /etc/samba directory and made a completely new samba configuration YaST (by going through the configuration steps in YaST). Still no running nmbd after boot.
No one else has this problem with samba? I would like to fix this issue but has no idea how or where to start. Regards, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/12/12 14:57, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Might this issue be related to a nonexistent network interface (vboxnet0) at boot? This is a virtualbox host-only network interface that is not activated until virtualbox has been started. Even "ifconfig -a" does not show it.
Lines from my /etc/samba/smb.conf file:
[global] add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody -s /bin/false %m$ domain logons = No domain master = No local master = Yes os level = 65 preferred master = Yes security = share wins support = No workgroup = SAMBA bind interfaces only = No interfaces = vboxnet0 ...
Doesn't this mean that you're binding to that unavailable VBox interface? I don't have "bind interfaces only" nor "interfaces" at all in my smb.conf. Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 13. 21:07 napon Bernhard Voelker <mail@bernhard-voelker.de> írta: [long snip]
Doesn't this mean that you're binding to that unavailable VBox interface? I don't have "bind interfaces only" nor "interfaces" at all in my smb.conf.
Hello: I have deleted my old samba configuration completely, and created a new one in YaST (Network services -> Samba server -> Samba configuration). This resulted in the /etc/samba/smb.conf below, but the problem still exist. smbd starts but nmbd does not. This file does not have "bind interfaces only" option at all. smb.conf created by oS 12.1 YaST: [global] add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody -s /bin/false %m$ domain logons = No domain master = No ldap suffix = netbios name = LINUX passdb backend = smbpasswd security = user usershare allow guests = No wins server = wins support = No workgroup = SAMBA [printer] comment = path = /var/tmp printable = Yes ## Share disabled by YaST # [netlogon] [samba-share] comment = inherit acls = No path = /home/samba-share read only = No Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> [07-14-12 07:30]:
I have deleted my old samba configuration completely, and created a new one in YaST (Network services -> Samba server -> Samba configuration).
This resulted in the /etc/samba/smb.conf below, but the problem still exist. smbd starts but nmbd does not. This file does not have "bind interfaces only" option at all.
I too have nmbd failing. openSUSE 12.1 tumbleweed smbd starts and I have access -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 14. 14:13 napon Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> írta:
I too have nmbd failing. openSUSE 12.1 tumbleweed
smbd starts and I have access
I looked at /var/log/messages and found several "network.service entered failed state". Therefore I have deinstalled samba and samba client. I still have these line in /var/log/messages: linux:~ # cat /var/log/messages | grep -i failed Jul 14 21:47:48 linux kernel: [ 0.497506] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_NOT_FOUND), returned control mask: 0x1d Jul 14 21:48:19 linux network[1168]: ..failedSetting up service (localfs) network . . . . . . . . . ...failed Jul 14 21:48:19 linux systemd[1]: Unit network.service entered failed state. And: linux:~ # systemctl status network.service network.service - LSB: Configure the localfs depending network interfaces Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/network) Active: failed since Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:48:19 +0200; 1min 45s ago Process: 1168 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/network start (code=exited, status=7/NOTRUNNING) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/network.service ├ 2459 /sbin/dhcpcd --netconfig -L -E -c /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/dhcpcd-hook -t 0 -h linux e... └ 2477 /sbin/dhclient6 -6 -cf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth0.conf -lf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth... Which is strange, as I have a working network. Might this be related to failing nmbd? ??? Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
2012. július 14. 22:05 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 14. 14:13 napon Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> írta:
I too have nmbd failing. openSUSE 12.1 tumbleweed
smbd starts and I have access
I looked at /var/log/messages and found several "network.service entered failed state".
Therefore I have deinstalled samba and samba client.
I still have these line in /var/log/messages:
linux:~ # cat /var/log/messages | grep -i failed Jul 14 21:47:48 linux kernel: [ 0.497506] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_NOT_FOUND), returned control mask: 0x1d Jul 14 21:48:19 linux network[1168]: ..failedSetting up service (localfs) network . . . . . . . . . ...failed Jul 14 21:48:19 linux systemd[1]: Unit network.service entered failed state.
And:
linux:~ # systemctl status network.service network.service - LSB: Configure the localfs depending network interfaces Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/network) Active: failed since Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:48:19 +0200; 1min 45s ago Process: 1168 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/network start (code=exited, status=7/NOTRUNNING) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/network.service ├ 2459 /sbin/dhcpcd --netconfig -L -E -c /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/dhcpcd-hook -t 0 -h linux e... └ 2477 /sbin/dhclient6 -6 -cf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth0.conf -lf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth...
Which is strange, as I have a working network.
Might this be related to failing nmbd?
???
I switched to sysvinit-init again and now nmbd start at boot. It seems that the problem is related to systemd. ??? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 02:33:06PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. július 14. 22:05 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 14. 14:13 napon Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> írta:
I too have nmbd failing. openSUSE 12.1 tumbleweed
smbd starts and I have access
I looked at /var/log/messages and found several "network.service entered failed state".
Therefore I have deinstalled samba and samba client.
I still have these line in /var/log/messages:
linux:~ # cat /var/log/messages | grep -i failed Jul 14 21:47:48 linux kernel: [ 0.497506] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_NOT_FOUND), returned control mask: 0x1d Jul 14 21:48:19 linux network[1168]: ..failedSetting up service (localfs) network . . . . . . . . . ...failed Jul 14 21:48:19 linux systemd[1]: Unit network.service entered failed state.
And:
linux:~ # systemctl status network.service network.service - LSB: Configure the localfs depending network interfaces Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/network) Active: failed since Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:48:19 +0200; 1min 45s ago Process: 1168 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/network start (code=exited, status=7/NOTRUNNING) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/network.service ├ 2459 /sbin/dhcpcd --netconfig -L -E -c /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/dhcpcd-hook -t 0 -h linux e... └ 2477 /sbin/dhclient6 -6 -cf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth0.conf -lf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth...
Which is strange, as I have a working network.
Might this be related to failing nmbd?
This is either a duplicate of 769957 or a different issue caused by the order of the services started via systemd. If it is not a dup please file a defect report at bugzilla.novell.com and assign it to Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> while you add samba-maintainers@suse.de as cc. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
2012. július 15. 15:16 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 02:33:06PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. július 14. 22:05 napon Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> írta:
2012. július 14. 14:13 napon Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> írta:
I too have nmbd failing. openSUSE 12.1 tumbleweed
smbd starts and I have access
I looked at /var/log/messages and found several "network.service entered failed state".
Therefore I have deinstalled samba and samba client.
I still have these line in /var/log/messages:
linux:~ # cat /var/log/messages | grep -i failed Jul 14 21:47:48 linux kernel: [ 0.497506] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_NOT_FOUND), returned control mask: 0x1d Jul 14 21:48:19 linux network[1168]: ..failedSetting up service (localfs) network . . . . . . . . . ...failed Jul 14 21:48:19 linux systemd[1]: Unit network.service entered failed state.
And:
linux:~ # systemctl status network.service network.service - LSB: Configure the localfs depending network interfaces Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/network) Active: failed since Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:48:19 +0200; 1min 45s ago Process: 1168 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/network start (code=exited, status=7/NOTRUNNING) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/network.service ├ 2459 /sbin/dhcpcd --netconfig -L -E -c /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts/dhcpcd-hook -t 0 -h linux e... └ 2477 /sbin/dhclient6 -6 -cf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth0.conf -lf /var/lib/dhcp6/dhclient6.eth...
Which is strange, as I have a working network.
Might this be related to failing nmbd?
This is either a duplicate of 769957 or a different issue caused by the order of the services started via systemd.
If it is not a dup please file a defect report at bugzilla.novell.com and assign it to Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> while you add samba-maintainers@suse.de as cc.
Even with sysvinit nmbd fails occasionally. Several times in a raw nmb could not start at boot, and every time I saw network setup delays. I think that the problem is that samba does not wait for the network to be set. If the network setup is delayed the nmb demon dies or can't be started. I have no idea why my network setup is delayed but several times I experienced network waiting or failed status among the boot screen. BY then when I log into my KDE desktop usually the network is set already, or clicking kinternet icon makes the connection. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:30:12PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. július 15. 15:16 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta: [ 8< ]
This is either a duplicate of 769957 or a different issue caused by the order of the services started via systemd.
If it is not a dup please file a defect report at bugzilla.novell.com and assign it to Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> while you add samba-maintainers@suse.de as cc.
Even with sysvinit nmbd fails occasionally. Several times in a raw nmb could not start at boot, and every time I saw network setup delays. I think that the problem is that samba does not wait for the network to be set. If the network setup is delayed the nmb demon dies or can't be started.
I have no idea why my network setup is delayed but several times I experienced network waiting or failed status among the boot screen. BY then when I log into my KDE desktop usually the network is set already, or clicking kinternet icon makes the connection.
I'm not 98% sure if someone said this before. But please be his nice to file a bug report and report the bug ID back to this list. But I'm quite sure that this will be my last comment on this particular issue on this list. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
2012. július 16. 21:13 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta: [long snip]
I'm not 98% sure if someone said this before. But please be his nice to file a bug report and report the bug ID back to this list.
But I'm quite sure that this will be my last comment on this particular issue on this list.
Hello: I tried to make a bug report but the site requires registration. (https://login.novell.com/nidp/idff/sso?id=15&sid=0&option=credential&sid=0) As soon as I can report the bug without registering I will do it. If it is possible to make a report w/o registering please write me how to or give a link. Best regards, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> [07-24-12 13:54]:
I tried to make a bug report but the site requires registration. (https://login.novell.com/nidp/idff/sso?id=15&sid=0&option=credential&sid=0) As soon as I can report the bug without registering I will do it. If it is possible to make a report w/o registering please write me how to or give a link.
What is the problem about registering? The *only* requirement is an email address and assigning a password. The email addr may even be false but that avenue is not suggested. Open a *new* gmail address and use that for registering, and never access it if you feel that way. Not directed and *anyone* in particular, but this condition is akin to never driving an automobile as you do not want to obtain a license only it is still possible to drive but not to file a bug report. Conditions exist for almost anything you wish to do and providing an email address is *minor*. A small concession to contribute to your favorite linux distro. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 7/24/2012 3:14 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> [07-24-12 13:54]:
I tried to make a bug report but the site requires registration. (https://login.novell.com/nidp/idff/sso?id=15&sid=0&option=credential&sid=0) As soon as I can report the bug without registering I will do it. If it is possible to make a report w/o registering please write me how to or give a link.
What is the problem about registering? The *only* requirement is an email address and assigning a password. The email addr may even be false but that avenue is not suggested. Open a *new* gmail address and use that for registering, and never access it if you feel that way.
Not directed and *anyone* in particular, but this condition is akin to never driving an automobile as you do not want to obtain a license only it is still possible to drive but not to file a bug report.
Conditions exist for almost anything you wish to do and providing an email address is *minor*. A small concession to contribute to your favorite linux distro.
And it's not up to you to judge whether this desire is reasonable or not. Do you want the bug reports or not? You may feel the requirement is as minor as you like, but you still lose out more than he does. I can't count the times I was googling for something, came across some random web forum conversation on the topic, saw someone ask a question that I know the answer to and no one else seemed to, but since I couldn't answer right there on the spot without having to register, the asker, and everyone else who might google the same topic, went without any answer. We all have better things to do. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2012, 15:25:50 schrieb Brian K. White:
And it's not up to you to judge whether this desire is reasonable or not. Do you want the bug reports or not? You may feel the requirement is as minor as you like, but you still lose out more than he does.
I can't count the times I was googling for something, came across some random web forum conversation on the topic, saw someone ask a question that I know the answer to and no one else seemed to, but since I couldn't answer right there on the spot without having to register, the asker, and everyone else who might google the same topic, went without any answer.
Better that way than having any site spammed. I'm afraid you just skipped the flip side of the coin to make your argument shine. Don't try to hard! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 7/24/2012 4:52 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2012, 15:25:50 schrieb Brian K. White:
And it's not up to you to judge whether this desire is reasonable or not. Do you want the bug reports or not? You may feel the requirement is as minor as you like, but you still lose out more than he does.
I can't count the times I was googling for something, came across some random web forum conversation on the topic, saw someone ask a question that I know the answer to and no one else seemed to, but since I couldn't answer right there on the spot without having to register, the asker, and everyone else who might google the same topic, went without any answer.
Better that way than having any site spammed. I'm afraid you just skipped the flip side of the coin to make your argument shine. Don't try to hard!
Don't try too hard yourself. Somehow other sites allow on-the-spot posting either anonymously, or with an on-the-spot email field to fill in that isn't registering and doesn't send or require you to wait for or respond to any confirmation email before posting. The spammers are reasonably inhibited yet the casual poster still gets to post. There are also of course several other options that leverage a registration many users may have already had, like google or facebook. You still have to register for those, and it doesn't address the issue of privacy if that was the users concern, but it does save the user from having to register at every single random site they come across, which is my only concern in this topic. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:22:42 -0400 "Brian K. White" <brian@aljex.com> wrote:
Don't try too hard yourself. Somehow other sites allow on-the-spot posting either anonymously, or with an on-the-spot email field to fill in that isn't registering and doesn't send or require you to wait for or respond to any confirmation email before posting. The spammers are reasonably inhibited yet the casual poster still gets to post.
Interesting idea with on the spot email field, although I'm not sure that such simple procedure without checking email will prevent pranks with friends and foes email address. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2012, 21:22:03 schrieb Rajko:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:22:42 -0400
"Brian K. White" <brian@aljex.com> wrote:
Don't try too hard yourself. Somehow other sites allow on-the-spot posting either anonymously, or with an on-the-spot email field to fill in that isn't registering and doesn't send or require you to wait for or respond to any confirmation email before posting. The spammers are reasonably inhibited yet the casual poster still gets to post.
Interesting idea with on the spot email field, although I'm not sure that such simple procedure without checking email will prevent pranks with friends and foes email address.
Exactly! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
+2012. július 24. 21:14 napon Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> írta:
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> [07-24-12 13:54]:
I tried to make a bug report but the site requires registration. (https://login.novell.com/nidp/idff/sso?id=15&sid=0&option=credential&sid=0) As soon as I can report the bug without registering I will do it. If it is possible to make a report w/o registering please write me how to or give a link.
What is the problem about registering? The *only* requirement is an email address and assigning a password.
Not correct. Required fields are: First Name* Last Name* Job Title* Company* Street Address* City* Zip/Postal Code* Country* State/Province* Telephone* Email Address* Username* Password* Security Question* Security Answer* Repeat Security Answer* See: https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createAccount.jsp This is a "little bit" more than an email address and a password.
The email addr may even be false but that avenue is not suggested. Open a *new* gmail address and use that for registering, and never access it if you feel that way.
I am trying to stay away from any 'g' things.
Not directed and *anyone* in particular, but this condition is akin to never driving an automobile as you do not want to obtain a license only it is still possible to drive but not to file a bug report.
Well, I don't want to get that license. I was asked to get it in order to make the report. If I do it I do it as a favor. In my opinion creating bug reports is not the job of an end user. I even do not know what to include and how to do. I have reported the problem on this list, the devs should use this information. If they do not read this list they should provide a "bugs" or similar list less official than bugzilla. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:34:55PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
+2012. július 24. 21:14 napon Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> írta:
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> [07-24-12 13:54]:
I tried to make a bug report but the site requires registration. (https://login.novell.com/nidp/idff/sso?id=15&sid=0&option=credential&sid=0) As soon as I can report the bug without registering I will do it. If it is possible to make a report w/o registering please write me how to or give a link.
What is the problem about registering? The *only* requirement is an email address and assigning a password.
Not correct. Required fields are: First Name* Last Name* Job Title* Company* Street Address* City* Zip/Postal Code* Country* State/Province* Telephone* Email Address* Username* Password* Security Question* Security Answer* Repeat Security Answer*
See: https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createAccount.jsp
This is a "little bit" more than an email address and a password.
We had this discussion before. And Marcus Meissner showed you a way to achieve the same with much less information provided. We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy. As soon as any of us would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back to this list. That's no fun. This is a game where both parties have to be involved. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
2012. augusztus 5. 16:45 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta: [snip]
What is the problem about registering? The *only* requirement is an email address and assigning a password.
Not correct. Required fields are: First Name* Last Name* Job Title* Company* Street Address* City* Zip/Postal Code* Country* State/Province* Telephone* Email Address* Username* Password* Security Question* Security Answer* Repeat Security Answer*
See: https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createAccount.jsp
This is a "little bit" more than an email address and a password.
We had this discussion before. And Marcus Meissner showed you a way to achieve the same with much less information provided.
Could you please point me to the link where it can be found? The opensuse list search function does not work.
We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy. As soon as any of us would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back to this list. That's no fun. This is a game where both parties have to be involved.
Well, does this mean, if an end user won't make a bug report, the issue won't be fixed at all, even if it is obviously a serious one? Because the developers are not interested in fixing it? If I am responsible for something and someone notifies me about a problem related to it, I try to look into it. Surely will not say that I fix the issue only if the person makes official notes. Maybe this policy is - at least partially - behind the continuous overall loss of opensuse quality. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> [08-05-12 15:31]:
2012. augusztus 5. 16:45 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy. As soon as any of us would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back to this list. That's no fun. This is a game where both parties have to be involved.
Well, does this mean, if an end user won't make a bug report, the issue won't be fixed at all, even if it is obviously a serious one? Because the developers are not interested in fixing it? If I am responsible for something and someone notifies me about a problem related to it, I try to look into it. Surely will not say that I fix the issue only if the person makes official notes. Maybe this policy is - at least partially - behind the continuous overall loss of opensuse quality.
No, it means that this list is *not* bugzilla and *not* monitored by dev's as a substitute for bugzilla. They have enough to do w/o reading all the o-t and ranting. As a user you do have a *moral* responsibility to give back to the distro by reporting bugs and it is not technically difficult except for *those* who believe that it is an unexceptable imposition. If that is your stance, discussion is wasted. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. augusztus 5. 16:45 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
[snip]
What is the problem about registering? The *only* requirement is an email address and assigning a password.
Not correct. Required fields are: First Name* Last Name* Job Title* Company* Street Address* City* Zip/Postal Code* Country* State/Province* Telephone* Email Address* Username* Password* Security Question* Security Answer* Repeat Security Answer*
See: https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createAccount.jsp
This is a "little bit" more than an email address and a password.
We had this discussion before. And Marcus Meissner showed you a way to achieve the same with much less information provided.
Could you please point me to the link where it can be found? The opensuse list search function does not work.
Sorry, I've not found it. Please check the archive. I believe it was in a thread you and Marcus Meissner had been involved. Either on this or on the openSUSE-factory list. It's an approach which requires much, much less details than the default for openSUSE defect reports.
We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy. As soon as any of us would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back to this list. That's no fun. This is a game where both parties have to be involved.
Well, does this mean, if an end user won't make a bug report, the issue won't be fixed at all, even if it is obviously a serious one? Because the developers are not interested in fixing it?
As a developer I'll care and fix issues I'm aware of. And the tool to get aware of an issue is bugzilla.
If I am responsible for something and someone notifies me about a problem related to it, I try to look into it. Surely will not say that I fix the issue only if the person makes official notes. Maybe this policy is - at least partially - behind the continuous overall loss of opensuse quality.
Not all SUSE developers are reading all openSUSE lists. In particular those with a bad noise to content ratio. But we all use bugzilla. Bugzilla is the tool the project uses. Bugzilla isn't perfect. But till now we've not seen an alternative which fits better to all our needs. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
2012. augusztus 5. 22:17 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. augusztus 5. 16:45 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
[snip]
We had this discussion before. And Marcus Meissner showed you a way to achieve the same with much less information provided.
Could you please point me to the link where it can be found? The opensuse list search function does not work.
Sorry, I've not found it. Please check the archive. I believe it was in a thread you and Marcus Meissner had been involved. Either on this or on the openSUSE-factory list.
Thanks. I checked back until January both this and factory lists and could not find any relevant thread by subject except of one which is probably not the one you meant: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-07/msg00809.html In this message Marcus Meissner writes: "I assigned it someone else. You could look through the maintainers in the "games" repository where neverball lives and mail them. Or this list. Or you can fix this yourself via OBs collaboration and do a submitrequest:)" That is nothing specific.
It's an approach which requires much, much less details than the default for openSUSE defect reports.
We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy. I understand this. But still should be way for problems which are not entered into bugzilla toward developers. I am sure I am not the only one who reports bugs on a mailing list with pleasure but is reluctant to register to novell (etc) and fill in bugzilla like forms.
As soon as any of us would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back to this list.
I don't understand what this sentence means.
That's no fun. This is a game where both parties have to be involved.
Well, does this mean, if an end user won't make a bug report, the issue won't be fixed at all, even if it is obviously a serious one? Because the developers are not interested in fixing it?
As a developer I'll care and fix issues I'm aware of. And the tool to get aware of an issue is bugzilla.
According to the info below you are responsible of samba service at openSUSE. This is from /etc/init.d/smb file on openSUSE 12.1: #! /bin/sh # Copyright (c) 2002-2004 SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg, Germany. # All rights reserved. # # Author: Lars Mueller <lmuelle@suse.de> And you are aware of the problem. Still you are saying I have to make that bug report. This is burocracy.
Not all SUSE developers are reading all openSUSE lists. In particular those with a bad noise to content ratio. But we all use bugzilla. Bugzilla is the tool the project uses.
Bugzilla isn't perfect. But till now we've not seen an alternative which fits better to all our needs.
I repeat what I said: you can not expect end users to register to novel and bugzilla and fill bug reporting forms. What you can expect is provide a simple system where/through which they can report problems. In my opinion that is the way it should be. Thanks for your reply. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 11:33:33PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. augusztus 5. 22:17 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
2012. augusztus 5. 16:45 napon Lars Müller <lmuelle@suse.com> írta:
[snip]
We had this discussion before. And Marcus Meissner showed you a way to achieve the same with much less information provided.
Could you please point me to the link where it can be found? The opensuse list search function does not work.
Sorry, I've not found it. Please check the archive. I believe it was in a thread you and Marcus Meissner had been involved. Either on this or on the openSUSE-factory list.
Thanks. I checked back until January both this and factory lists and could not find any relevant thread by subject except of one which is probably not the one you meant:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-07/msg00809.html
In this message Marcus Meissner writes:
"I assigned it someone else.
You could look through the maintainers in the "games" repository where neverball lives and mail them.
Or this list.
Or you can fix this yourself via OBs collaboration and do a submitrequest:)"
That is nothing specific.
https://secure-www.novell.com/selfreg/jsp/createOpenSuseAccount.jsp?%22https...
It's an approach which requires much, much less details than the default for openSUSE defect reports.
We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy. I understand this. But still should be way for problems which are not entered into bugzilla toward developers. I am sure I am not the only one who reports bugs on a mailing list with pleasure but is reluctant to register to novell (etc) and fill in bugzilla like forms.
As soon as any of us would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back to this list.
I don't understand what this sentence means.
A communication approach like this would result in extra work. Someone would have to pass the result from the list back to the bug tracking system and forward. That would be extra work and extra complicated.
That's no fun. This is a game where both parties have to be involved.
Well, does this mean, if an end user won't make a bug report, the issue won't be fixed at all, even if it is obviously a serious one? Because the developers are not interested in fixing it?
As a developer I'll care and fix issues I'm aware of. And the tool to get aware of an issue is bugzilla.
According to the info below you are responsible of samba service at openSUSE. This is from /etc/init.d/smb file on openSUSE 12.1:
#! /bin/sh # Copyright (c) 2002-2004 SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg, Germany. # All rights reserved. # # Author: Lars Mueller <lmuelle@suse.de>
And you are aware of the problem. Still you are saying I have to make that bug report. This is burocracy.
No. a) we're working in a team on Samba. b) check the package change log and you'll see why a bug report is off use to our users. To make it short: The defect report is uses as a reference. Bugzilla allows everyone to follow a particular change/ fix request. Even if the person was not involved into the discussion. Even without the need to register. Only a defect reporter is required to register.
Not all SUSE developers are reading all openSUSE lists. In particular those with a bad noise to content ratio. But we all use bugzilla. Bugzilla is the tool the project uses.
Bugzilla isn't perfect. But till now we've not seen an alternative which fits better to all our needs.
I repeat what I said: you can not expect end users to register to novel and bugzilla and fill bug reporting forms. What you can expect is provide a simple system where/through which they can report problems. In my opinion that is the way it should be.
Yes. And that can be your point of view while others have a different one. That's the big advantage of a world which allows free speach. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:33:33 +0200, Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@lajt.hu> wrote:
And you are aware of the problem. Still you are saying I have to make that bug report. This is burocracy.
No it's not. Bugzilla is the tool to report bugs, track them and communicate with the person who reported the bug. Bugzilla is also needed to have an archive of known bugs and their history. So if you found a bug and want a developer to look into it file a bug report. Otherwise you're just going to be ignored, as bug tracking via mailing list is impossible.
I repeat what I said: you can not expect end users to register to novel and bugzilla and fill bug reporting forms.
Well, we do. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Istvan Gabor wrote:
Hello:
In my openSUSE 12.1 system smbd does not start at boot. I use systemd.
~> smbclient -L localhost WARNING: The security=share option is deprecated WARNING: no network interfaces found Enter user's password: Connection to localhost failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED)
I had a similar problem -- I had to go back to 3.5.11 sources... I couldn't even build the samba 3.6.3 packages... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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