[opensuse] Scroll bar arrows
I'm using KDE4 and even in the GTK applications like Thunderbird and Firefox the scrollbars on the far right have not just the up arrow (6) at the top of the scroll-bar and the down arrow (v) at the bottom but an extra up arrow at the bottom. I can see the utility of this. if you want to edge up and own without moving the cursor much its convenient. But I'm finding it an annoyance; my scrollbars are narrow so as to give the most space to the real information, and so these arrows are small. Its just too easy for me to click on the up at the bottom instead of the down. Is there some way to turn this extra up arrow off? There must be, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 23/10/15 18:22, Anton Aylward wrote:
I'm using KDE4 and even in the GTK applications like Thunderbird and Firefox the scrollbars on the far right have not just the up arrow (6) at the top of the scroll-bar and the down arrow (v) at the bottom but an extra up arrow at the bottom.
I can see the utility of this. if you want to edge up and own without moving the cursor much its convenient.
But I'm finding it an annoyance; my scrollbars are narrow so as to give the most space to the real information, and so these arrows are small. Its just too easy for me to click on the up at the bottom instead of the down.
Is there some way to turn this extra up arrow off? There must be, but I can't find it.
Can anyone help?
If you're using the Oxygen style, in System Settings, go to Application Appearance -> Style, then next to the Widget Style drop-down box, click Configure... Under the Scrollbars tab, change the top/bottom arrow button type to One button. Not sure if all styles have these additional configuration settings. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/23/2015 12:31 PM, gumb wrote:
On 23/10/15 18:22, Anton Aylward wrote:
Can anyone help?
If you're using the Oxygen style, in System Settings, go to Application Appearance -> Style, then next to the Widget Style drop-down box, click Configure...
Under the Scrollbars tab, change the top/bottom arrow button type to One button.
Not sure if all styles have these additional configuration settings.
Thank you. That was spot on. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
gumb composed on 2015-10-23 18:31 (UTC+0200):
Anton Aylward wrote:
I'm using KDE4 and even in the GTK applications like Thunderbird and Firefox the scrollbars on the far right have not just the up arrow (6) at the top of the scroll-bar and the down arrow (v) at the bottom but an extra up arrow at the bottom.
I can see the utility of this. if you want to edge up and own without moving the cursor much its convenient.
But I'm finding it an annoyance; my scrollbars are narrow so as to give the most space to the real information, and so these arrows are small. Its just too easy for me to click on the up at the bottom instead of the down.
Is there some way to turn this extra up arrow off? There must be, but I can't find it.
Can anyone help?
If you're using the Oxygen style, in System Settings, go to Application Appearance -> Style, then next to the Widget Style drop-down box, click Configure...
Under the Scrollbars tab, change the top/bottom arrow button type to One button.
Not sure if all styles have these additional configuration settings.
I'd surely like to know the equivalent incantations for KDE3. Those icons are much too small. The act of clicking too often moves the mouse enough to get it off the correct target onto the adjacent. :-( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:26:22 -0400 schrieb Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>:
gumb composed on 2015-10-23 18:31 (UTC+0200):
Anton Aylward wrote:
I'm using KDE4 and even in the GTK applications like Thunderbird and Firefox the scrollbars on the far right have not just the up arrow (6) at the top of the scroll-bar and the down arrow (v) at the bottom but an extra up arrow at the bottom.
I can see the utility of this. if you want to edge up and own without moving the cursor much its convenient.
But I'm finding it an annoyance; my scrollbars are narrow so as to give the most space to the real information, and so these arrows are small. Its just too easy for me to click on the up at the bottom instead of the down.
Is there some way to turn this extra up arrow off? There must be, but I can't find it.
Can anyone help?
If you're using the Oxygen style, in System Settings, go to Application Appearance -> Style, then next to the Widget Style drop-down box, click Configure...
Under the Scrollbars tab, change the top/bottom arrow button type to One button.
Not sure if all styles have these additional configuration settings.
I'd surely like to know the equivalent incantations for KDE3. Those icons are much too small. The act of clicking too often moves the mouse enough to get it off the correct target onto the adjacent. :-(
KDE 3... It looks like someone else has asked about this at bugs.kde.org and the reply at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94869 is that scrollbar sizes are not changeable " except for special accessibility modes" and the "Resolution" states "WONTFIX" so I guess they aren't intending to fix this either. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Kind Regards Peter Ragosch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/23/2015 04:26 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
I'd surely like to know the equivalent incantations for KDE3. Those icons are much too small. The act of clicking too often moves the mouse enough to get it off the correct target onto the adjacent. :-(
Felix, I think the setting/style we need to look at are: has-secondary-backward-stepper Display a second backward arrow button on the opposite end of the scrollbar. has-secondary-forward-stepper Display a second forward arrow button on the opposite end of the scrollbar. (default = False for both) which means the second arrow shouldn't show. This being a style property, I suspect it belongs in gtk.css instead of settings.ini. See (toward the bottom of the page) https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkScrollbar.html It looks to me that setting : has-secondary-backward-stepper = false; int the .css file should be the setting that disables the second arrow at the lower end of the scrollbar. Ain't GTK3 fun ?? Other related tweaks from the Archwiki that are worth looking at are: Legacy scrolling behavior: Note: This setting is not obeyed by all GTK+ applications. Tip: Legacy scrolling behaviour can be achieved reliably simply by using right click instead of left click. Prior to GTK+ 3.6, clicking on either side of the slider in the scrollbar would move the scrollbar in the direction of the click by approximately one page. Since GTK+ 3.6, the slider will move directly to the position of the click. This behaviour can be reverted in some applications by creating the file with the content below: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini [Settings] gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false Disable overlay scrollbars Since GTK+ 3.15, overlay scrollbars are enabled by default, meaning that scrollbars will be shown only on mouseover in GTK+ 3 applications. This behavior can be reverted by setting the following environment variable: GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0. Remove overlay scroll indicators The positions of the overlay scrollbars are indicated by thin dashed lines in the application window. These dashed lines will be present even when overlay scrolling is disabled using the environment variable discussed in the section above. To remove the indicator lines, create the following file: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css /* Remove dotted lines from GTK+ 3 applications */ .undershoot.top, .undershoot.right, .undershoot.bottom, .undershoot.left { background-image: none; } Save or add this to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css for scroll bar step amount: *{ -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; } -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:22:40 -0400 schrieb Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com>:
I'm using KDE4 and even in the GTK applications like Thunderbird and Firefox the scrollbars on the far right have not just the up arrow (6) at the top of the scroll-bar and the down arrow (v) at the bottom but an extra up arrow at the bottom.
I can see the utility of this. if you want to edge up and own without moving the cursor much its convenient.
But I'm finding it an annoyance; my scrollbars are narrow so as to give the most space to the real information, and so these arrows are small. Its just too easy for me to click on the up at the bottom instead of the down.
Is there some way to turn this extra up arrow off? There must be, but I can't find it.
Can anyone help?
There is! My desktop language is set to german - maybe back translation got wrong: Start-menu -> systemsettings -> application appearance -> applications (tap) -> configure... => scrollbars (tab) Top arrow button type: <scroll list> Bottom arrow button type: <scroll list> HTH -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Kind Regards Peter Ragosch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/23/2015 12:44 PM, Peter Ragosch wrote:
Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:22:40 -0400 schrieb Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com>:
Can anyone help?
There is! My desktop language is set to german - maybe back translation got wrong:
Start-menu -> systemsettings -> application appearance -> applications (tap) -> configure... => scrollbars (tab)
Top arrow button type: <scroll list> Bottom arrow button type: <scroll list>
HTH
yes that helped. Thank you. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/23/2015 11:31 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 10/23/2015 12:44 PM, Peter Ragosch wrote:
Am Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:22:40 -0400 schrieb Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com>:
Can anyone help?
There is! My desktop language is set to german - maybe back translation got wrong:
Start-menu -> systemsettings -> application appearance -> applications (tap) -> configure... => scrollbars (tab)
Top arrow button type: <scroll list> Bottom arrow button type: <scroll list>
HTH
yes that helped. Thank you.
Yes, quote helpful. I didn't know these settings existed. I've been using it at the default settings all these years. I find I've become quite happy with the default, (two arrows at bottom). Much less mouse moving to inch my way up and down in the window. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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