Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized. What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 15:36 schrieb Marcel de Reuver:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized.
What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input.
I've had the same problem with an ASUS-Board with VIA P4M890/VIA VT8237A-Chipset. Insert following at the boot-prompt: insmod=ide-generic After the installation is completed, you should update the kernel up to 2.6.18.x, which is supportng the newer chipsets. regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jens Nixdorf wrote:
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 15:36 schrieb Marcel de Reuver:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized.
What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input.
I've had the same problem with an ASUS-Board with VIA P4M890/VIA VT8237A-Chipset. Insert following at the boot-prompt:
insmod=ide-generic
After the installation is completed, you should update the kernel up to 2.6.18.x, which is supportng the newer chipsets.
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Whit this boot option the SATA disk is still not recognized by Opensuse 10.1 On this hardware I can install Ubuntu 6.06.1 whitout any problem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 23:32 schrieb Marcel de Reuver:
Whit this boot option the SATA disk is still not recognized by Opensuse 10.1 On this hardware I can install Ubuntu 6.06.1 whitout any problem.
Oh, my fault: I've not read your post carefully: In my case SUSE 10.1 should be installed at a PATA-Drive (primary device at first port), but this was also not really recognized by SUSE. And after booting from DVD (also PATA, primary device at second port) it doesnt found any package, because it could not find the dvd-drive anymore. So i'm sorry for my last post, i should read with due dilligence in the future... regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 09:36, Marcel de Reuver wrote:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized.
What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input.
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Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products. They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists. bye, Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Lee, On Tuesday 24 October 2006 12:09, BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 09:36, Marcel de Reuver wrote:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized.
What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input.
Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products. They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists.
Yeah. Just discard your hardware investment and follow the Linux / Open Source purists. Get real. For one thing, their hardware is good, so avoiding it just because they have a bad attitude about Linux and open source amounts to nothing more than cutting off your nose to spite your face. One could just as well make the case that you should spite _them_ by successfully running Linux on their hardware despite their sycophantic attitude towards MS. Furthermore unrecognized hardware is not the fault of the hardware vendor, it just means a driver is either not yet available or not part of the distribution being used. I don't know if this board is late-model or not, but my P5B is pretty new and it has a couple of components (one of the Ethernet controllers and the 3rd-party IDE interface) for which support is very new and not in most distributions yet. For the most part, it just requires the latest kernel (something the SUSE folks are good about) or in other cases, minor tweaks to drivers (e.g., adding a device ID to the list compiled in to the driver). This sort of thing is the price of living at the bleeding edge, I'd say.
Lee
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On Tuesday 24 October 2006 15:18, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Lee,
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 12:09, BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 09:36, Marcel de Reuver wrote:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized.
What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input.
Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products. They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists.
Yeah. Just discard your hardware investment and follow the Linux / Open Source purists.
Get real. For one thing, their hardware is good, so avoiding it just because they have a bad attitude about Linux and open source amounts to nothing more than cutting off your nose to spite your face. One could just as well make the case that you should spite _them_ by successfully running Linux on their hardware despite their sycophantic attitude towards MS. [...] RRS ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Randy, You're just being silly now. You know as well as many others, there have been long standing problems with Asus motherboards and Linux. Not just new, bleeding edge types but older, should be supported types as well. There have been articles about the attitude of Asus towards Linux and their lack of support or offer of help to resolve a problem with their hardware. Just because you might own one doesn't make it good, just that you made the same mistake many other people did in their decision making process for buying hardware. He doesn't have to discard his hardware purchase because of a few problems, that seems very illogical on your part to mention that, but he will have to live with the problems associated with his decision in choosing bad hardware to use with Linux. bye, Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 13:23, BandiPat wrote:
...
Randy, You're just being silly now.
And you're just being condescending and dismissive.
You know as well as many others, there have been long standing problems with Asus motherboards and Linux. Not just new, bleeding edge types but older, should be supported types as well. There have been articles about the attitude of Asus towards Linux and their lack of support or offer of help to resolve a problem with their hardware.
Who cares what their attitude is? Corporations all have bad attitudes about some things, usually lots of things. You buy some hardware and you're on your own from there. Same as with any product from any manufacturer.
Just because you might own one doesn't make it good, just that you made the same mistake many other people did in their decision making process for buying hardware.
Yeah, fork you, too. I made the choice I did for my own reasons, which are valid by definition. I did not make a mistake, I have an excellent system based on the Asus P5B.
He doesn't have to discard his hardware purchase because of a few problems, that seems very illogical on your part to mention that, but he will have to live with the problems associated with his decision in choosing bad hardware to use with Linux.
You're the one that suggested that he invalidate his existing purchase. To wit: "Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products." In any event, their hardware isn't "bad," some of its components are merely unsupported at this time.
Lee
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On Tuesday 24 October 2006 16:32, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]
Just because you might own one doesn't make it good, just that you made the same mistake many other people did in their decision making process for buying hardware.
Yeah, fork you, too. I made the choice I did for my own reasons, which are valid by definition. I did not make a mistake, I have an excellent system based on the Asus P5B. ========
Wow, Randell, do you often get so mad when you realize you've made a mistake? Maybe you were trying to save money, maybe you just felt you could live with the problems associated with their hardware. Just because you made a poor choice though shouldn't stop others from being alerted to the potential problems they might encounter making equally bad decisions.
He doesn't have to discard his hardware purchase because of a few problems, that seems very illogical on your part to mention that, but he will have to live with the problems associated with his decision in choosing bad hardware to use with Linux.
You're the one that suggested that he invalidate his existing purchase. To wit:
"Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products." ======== I don't read anything in that line that suggests getting rid of his already purchased hardware, are you senile? But I hope it does suggest to him and others to make better hardware purchasing decisions for future purchases.
In any event, their hardware isn't "bad," some of its components are merely unsupported at this time.
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No, their hardware works quite nicely with Windows, most times, but I suspect even like their older hardware, the new would fail even if drivers were there for the bleeding edge stuff. It has in the past, it will in the future until Asus manufactures better hardware. Sorry you didn't understand that before buying. bye, Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 13:53, BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 16:32, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]
Just because you might own one doesn't make it good, just that you made the same mistake many other people did in their decision making process for buying hardware.
Yeah, fork you, too. I made the choice I did for my own reasons, which are valid by definition. I did not make a mistake, I have an excellent system based on the Asus P5B. ========
Wow, Randell, do you often get so mad when you realize you've made a mistake? Maybe you were trying to save money, maybe you just felt you could live with the problems associated with their hardware. Just because you made a poor choice though shouldn't stop others from being alerted to the potential problems they might encounter making equally bad decisions.
Wow. How can you be so condescending as to keep telling me that my choice was a mistake? I'm not living with any problems, the system works perfectly--all of it. It's the best one I've ever owned. So shove it, OK? It's not your place to judge other people's decisions. RRS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 17:06, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]
So shove it, OK? It's not your place to judge other people's decisions.
RRS ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Randy, There's no need to be rude. I'm not judging you, quite the contrary, I know you would have chosen better had you known too. bye, Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 15:20, BandiPat wrote:
... Randy, There's no need to be rude. I'm not judging you, quite the contrary, I know you would have chosen better had you known too.
Let me see if I understand you correctly: You're happy behaving like an ass in a public forum? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 16:32, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]
Just because you might own one doesn't make it good, just that you made the same mistake many other people did in their decision making process for buying hardware.
Yeah, fork you, too. I made the choice I did for my own reasons, which are valid by definition. I did not make a mistake, I have an excellent system based on the Asus P5B. ========
Wow, Randell, do you often get so mad when you realize you've made a mistake? Maybe you were trying to save money, maybe you just felt you could live with the problems associated with their hardware. Just because you made a poor choice though shouldn't stop others from being alerted to the potential problems they might encounter making equally bad decisions.
He doesn't have to discard his hardware purchase because of a few problems, that seems very illogical on your part to mention that, but he will have to live with the problems associated with his decision in choosing bad hardware to use with Linux.
You're the one that suggested that he invalidate his existing purchase. To wit:
"Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products." ========
I don't read anything in that line that suggests getting rid of his already purchased hardware, are you senile? But I hope it does suggest to him and others to make better hardware purchasing decisions for future purchases.
In any event, their hardware isn't "bad," some of its components are merely unsupported at this time.
RRS ---------------------------------------------------------------------
No, their hardware works quite nicely with Windows, most times, but I suspect even like their older hardware, the new would fail even if drivers were there for the bleeding edge stuff. It has in the past, it will in the future until Asus manufactures better hardware. Sorry you didn't understand that before buying.
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BandiPat, Maybe you should draft a list of hardware that, in your expert opinion, we should all be buying and publish it in a blog somewhere. Hey, the "everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap.com" domain is available! Just a curiosity. What hardware do YOU buy that works so wonderfully all of the time? Don't keep the secret to yourself. Regards, Carlos Lozano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Maybe you should draft a list of hardware that, in your expert opinion, we should all be buying and publish it in a blog somewhere. Hey, the "everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap.com" domain is available!
Just a curiosity. What hardware do YOU buy that works so wonderfully all of the time? Don't keep the secret to yourself. Of course: exception makes the rule, but in most cases ASUS boards were
Hello, Carlos Lozano Diez wrote: problematic for me. They adopt new technologies too early, and these broken implementations are not well supported in Linux even after years. On the other hand, I have an old p3 machine with an ASUS mother board, which works fine even after a lightning, just one of the serial ports got demaged. I only have positive experiences with MSI, but some people say the same about it, as I told about ASUS. I only have positive experiences with Tyan, but those are rather expensive. They don't always have the latest technologies, but are usually provide very high quality solutions. I also like IBM servers, but keep in mind, that both very low (VIA chipset in a server???) and very high end are problematic. Standard disclaimer: these are my personal experiences, your millage may vary :-) Bye, -- CzP http://peter.czanik.hu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Peter Czanik wrote:
I only have positive experiences with MSI, but some people say the same about it, as I told about ASUS. I only have positive experiences with Tyan, but those are rather expensive. They don't always have the latest technologies, but are usually provide very high quality solutions. I also like IBM servers, but keep in mind, that both very low (VIA chipset in a server???) and very high end are problematic.
In our experience, the HP/Compaq servers with SCSI discs and the smart array hardware raid controllers are as good as gold - smooth installs, full functionality, perfect reliability every time. Joe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
J Sloan wrote:
Peter Czanik wrote:
I only have positive experiences with MSI, but some people say the same about it, as I told about ASUS. I only have positive experiences with Tyan, but those are rather expensive. They don't always have the latest technologies, but are usually provide very high quality solutions. I also like IBM servers, but keep in mind, that both very low (VIA chipset in a server???) and very high end are problematic.
In our experience, the HP/Compaq servers with SCSI discs and the smart array hardware raid controllers are as good as gold - smooth installs, full functionality, perfect reliability every time.
Obviously it's normally a package deal, not just a motherboard, thus it's not really an option for some, but the HP/Compaq motherboards deserve honorable mention anyway - But more on the lower end, I've always had great luck with mobos made by intel or megabyte - Joe --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 17:15, Carlos Lozano Diez wrote: [...]
BandiPat,
Maybe you should draft a list of hardware that, in your expert opinion, we should all be buying and publish it in a blog somewhere. Hey, the "everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-cr ap.com" domain is available!
Just a curiosity. What hardware do YOU buy that works so wonderfully all of the time? Don't keep the secret to yourself.
Regards,
Carlos Lozano ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos, Isn't there still a list of good working hardware on SuSE hardware database or has that gone away? I'm sure it's not up to date, it would be pretty hard to keep it that way, but it would at least give some clues. Choosing hardware doesn't have to be a hit and miss proposition, although with absolutely new stuff, it could be. Even then there is probably someone that has tried it and will share their experiences. Staying away from bad stuff, like Asus though is easy and there have been several articles about the problems, so that should be a no brainer. bye, Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 17:15, Carlos Lozano Diez wrote: [...]
BandiPat,
Maybe you should draft a list of hardware that, in your expert opinion, we should all be buying and publish it in a blog somewhere. Hey, the "everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-cr ap.com" domain is available!
Just a curiosity. What hardware do YOU buy that works so wonderfully all of the time? Don't keep the secret to yourself.
Regards,
Carlos Lozano ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Staying away from bad stuff, like Asus though is easy and there have been several articles about the problems, so that should be a no brainer.
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It's a shame you opt for mere rhetoric as opposed to answering the question. But then again, the absence of an answer is an answer in itself. Hasta la Vista®, Carlos Lozano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Carlos Lozano Diez wrote:
It's a shame you opt for mere rhetoric as opposed to answering the question. But then again, the absence of an answer is an answer in itself.
[just an example] Can you all please stop this shit here now. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-10-24 at 23:15 +0200, Carlos Lozano Diez wrote:
Hey, the "everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap.com" domain is available!
That line breaks spamd: Oct 24 23:46:06 nimrodel spamd[6105]: length of everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap is larger than 63 octets at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i586-linux-thread-multi/Net/DNS/Question.pm line 179 Oct 24 23:46:06 nimrodel spamd[6105]: plugin: eval failed: length of everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap is larger than 63 octets at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i586-linux-thread-multi/Net/DNS/Question.pm line 179 Using spamassassin-3.1.3-3.2 in SuSE 10.1 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFPq2DtTMYHG2NR9URAi3xAJ0XSEB6q2fMKioh4NLhPU+KaRqK0gCeMElu abYey9qWGUPBC3R+e+U4AcU= =6koq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 02:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-10-24 at 23:15 +0200, Carlos Lozano Diez wrote:
Hey, the "everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap.c om" domain is available!
That line breaks spamd:
Oct 24 23:46:06 nimrodel spamd[6105]: length of everyone-is-entitled-to-my-opinion-and-i-am-an-expert-and-asus-is-crap is larger than 63 octets at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i586-linux-thread-multi/Net/DNS/Question.p m line 179
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Using spamassassin-3.1.3-3.2 in SuSE 10.1
please open a bug for this in bugzilla. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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please open a bug for this in bugzilla.
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BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 09:36, Marcel de Reuver wrote:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. When I install Opensuse the SATA drive is not recognized.
What can I do to correct this? Thanks for your input.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products. They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists.
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That's a bit radical isn't it? Engineering changes or faults don't happen because someone is anti-Linux; they happen because of the dreaded, and ever decreasing, "time-to-market" - for both hardware and software developers. It takes time and effort for developers to keep up with hardware changes. It's like "...the integrated WiFi card on my laptop doesn't work with Linux, that's HP's fault - they're anti-Linux-fascists! Let me go find a screwdriver to rip it out at once..." Not quite. Stuff works because people spend thousands of hours writing code - so if new stuff doesn't work, someone somewhere will have to spend hours to make it work. Why not join in? Every bit of help will make stuff work sooner rather than later. *Hang onto your ASUS mobo, hang onto your favourite Linux distro... you will not be dissapointed. * And no, WiFi didn't work at first... but it's solid as a rock now. Maybe those HP guys are not anti-Linux-fascists after all. ;-) Hasta la Vista®, Carlos Lozano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 09:36, Marcel de Reuver wrote:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. [...]
Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products. They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists.
SUSE, or more precisely the Linux kernel used in openSUSE, does not yet fully support a certain VIA Southbridge. Therefore, you recommend to stop using ASUS hardware. How silly is that conclusion? You must admit that drawing this conclusion from the given facts is really farfetched. If you really want to blame somebody, you might have to blame VIA. All of the ASUS hardware we use here in the office works fine. Cheers, T. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 18:00, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 09:36, Marcel de Reuver wrote:
Is it correct that Opensuse does not install on an ASUS A8V-MX with VIA VT8251 South Bridge chipset. [...]
Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products. They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists.
SUSE, or more precisely the Linux kernel used in openSUSE, does not yet fully support a certain VIA Southbridge. Therefore, you recommend to stop using ASUS hardware. How silly is that conclusion? You must admit that drawing this conclusion from the given facts is really farfetched. If you really want to blame somebody, you might have to blame VIA. All of the ASUS hardware we use here in the office works fine.
Cheers, T.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas, I know a gentleman locally that said the same thing as he recommended and built most of his systems with Asus stuff. He became somewhat agitated also when I posted some articles about the problems with that hardware, but he soon realized many of the problems he was having with his customers equipment was due to the Asus brand. He hasn't purchased another Asus board since and will quickly join into the "don't buy Asus" cry when the subject comes up now.
If you use them and they work pretty much for you, I'm happy you're not having problems. There's no reason to court disaster when you find there are potential problems though. Especially with so many better brands available today. bye, Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
[...] I know a gentleman locally that said the same thing as he recommended and built most of his systems with Asus stuff. He became somewhat agitated also when I posted some articles about the problems with that hardware, but he soon realized many of the problems he was having with his customers equipment was due to the Asus brand. He hasn't purchased another Asus board since and will quickly join into the "don't buy Asus" cry when the subject comes up now.
I am not interested in your little stories at all. I care about the facts. The fact here is: a VIA southbridge is not supported by the Linux kernel. Your conclusion is: don't buy ASUS hardware. THAT'S SIMPLY AN ABSURD CONCLUSION. You're misusing this thread to bash ASUS, your other statements show this as well ("especially with so many better brands available today", etc.). So please stop it! This is not helpful. Other manufacturers use also VIA southbridges, so the OP would face the same problems even if he bought another brand. Do you want to bash now all of these companies? *sic* T. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2006 21:09 schrieb BandiPat:
Probably one of the best things you could do is stop using ASUS products.
I don't think it's usefull to drop all ASUS products. Not to buy new, ok, but stop using existing one is stupid. I've bought my ASUS Notebook, because they delivered Notebooks without Windows in the past. The hardware is supported completely, why should I stop using it?
They are very anti-Linux and from your problem, appears to still be that way. I've noticed several Asus mobo problems of late with users just on these mailing lists.
That's a reason to by no new ASUS products for me, not more. -- Machs gut | http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/ | http://packman.links2linux.de/ Manfred | http://www.knightsoft-net.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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