mailutil program in openSUSE Leap 15.3
Hello: I've been using mailutil program to backup my imap mailboxex. It seems that openSUSE Leap 15.3 doesn't have this program. It is part of alpine package and it is there in Leap 15.1 alpine. But not in Leap 15.3 alpine package. I checked two alpine packages, the official OSS package, and alpine from repositories/server:/mail/ repo. None has mailutils. Does anyone know why, and if its remove was announced? Thanks, Istvan
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:54 PM Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@gmail.hu> wrote:
Hello:
I've been using mailutil program to backup my imap mailboxex.
It seems that openSUSE Leap 15.3 doesn't have this program.
It is part of alpine package and it is there in Leap 15.1 alpine. But not in Leap 15.3 alpine package. I checked two alpine packages, the official OSS package, and alpine from repositories/server:/mail/ repo. None has mailutils.
Does anyone know why,
Read package changelog.
and if its remove was announced?
Where exactly do you expect it to be? There are over 15 000 packages; I suppose you can subscribe to commit notifications. Tumbleweed has regular snapshot announcements which list detailed changelog for each package. Changes to the next release normally appear in Tumbleweed first so this is probably the best way to get "early warning".
On 05/01/2022 20.56, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:54 PM Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@gmail.hu> wrote:
Hello:
I've been using mailutil program to backup my imap mailboxex.
It seems that openSUSE Leap 15.3 doesn't have this program.
It is part of alpine package and it is there in Leap 15.1 alpine. But not in Leap 15.3 alpine package. I checked two alpine packages, the official OSS package, and alpine from repositories/server:/mail/ repo. None has mailutils.
Does anyone know why,
Read package changelog.
It says: - Drop /usr/bin/mailutil, it is not built by default anymore. But not why :-? Factory mail list mentions something Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 21:00:22 +0000 From: Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@suse.de> To: factory@lists.opensuse.org Subject: New Tumbleweed snapshot 20211005 released! ... mailutils (3.8 -> 3.13) ... ==== mailutils ==== Version update (3.8 -> 3.13) Subpackages: libmailutils5 ... Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:01:12 +0000 From: Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@suse.de> To: factory@lists.opensuse.org Subject: New Tumbleweed snapshot 20211024 released! ... Packages changed: ... mailutils ... ==== mailutils ==== - Modify patch mailutils-3.5-guile-2.0.patch and apply later if needed for older guile versions - Increase somajor spec file macro to value 8 (boo#1191772) - Add check for any version change of shared the libraries No mention of the package being dropped in factory, where it seems to be a separate package. Indeed, it is there: <http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/x86_64/mailutils-3.13-2.1.x86_64.rpm> And it is also available on 15.2 and 15.3, zypper and opi say so. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2022-01-05 at 16:27 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-01-05 14:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And it is also available on 15.2 and 15.3, zypper and opi say so.
I have no idea where you are seeing this, because I just checked the 15.3 repos, including the source repo, and mailutil is not available as a separate package in 15.3.
minas-tirith:~ # opi mailutils Searching... 1. mailutils 2. libmailutils8 3. mailutils-mh 4. mailutils-devel 5. mailutils-pop3d 6. mailutils-imap4d 7. mailutils-notify 8. mailutils-delivery Choose a number(0 to quit): ^C minas-tirith:~ # zypper se --details mailutils Retrieving repository 'OBS: KDE: KDE3' metadata ........................................................................................................................[done] Building repository 'OBS: KDE: KDE3' cache .............................................................................................................................[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository - --+------------------------------+------------+-----------------+--------+------------------ | libmailutils8 | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | libmailutils8-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils | srcpackage | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | noarch | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-debugsource | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-delivery | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-delivery-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-devel | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-imap4d | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-imap4d-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-mh | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-mh-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-notify | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-notify-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-pop3d | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail | mailutils-pop3d-debuginfo | package | 3.13-lp153.48.1 | x86_64 | OBS: server: mail minas-tirith:~ # minas-tirith:~ # cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="15.3" ID="opensuse-leap" ID_LIKE="suse opensuse" VERSION_ID="15.3" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 15.3" ANSI_COLOR="0;32" CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:opensuse:leap:15.3" BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.opensuse.org" HOME_URL="https://www.opensuse.org/" minas-tirith:~ # http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/mail/openSUSE_Leap_15.3/x8... QED :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYdYeKBwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfViBUAn1Hz3XXb0M8HLJE2ZZEF gwtlQbEaAJ40wMYiBmEFlfdTQpwWEKI+Hwl81Q== =VNrR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 2022-01-05 16:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Wednesday, 2022-01-05 at 16:27 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-01-05 14:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And it is also available on 15.2 and 15.3, zypper and opi say so.
I have no idea where you are seeing this, because I just checked the 15.3 repos, including the source repo, and mailutil is not available as a separate package in 15.3.
<snip>
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/mail/openSUSE_Leap_15.3/x8...
QED :-)
QENada you mean. Your original comment made the strong inference that the packages are in the main repo, when they clearly are not. They are in the OBS, and you should have clearly stated that when you posted.
On 06/01/2022 00.36, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-01-05 16:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Wednesday, 2022-01-05 at 16:27 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-01-05 14:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And it is also available on 15.2 and 15.3, zypper and opi say so.
I have no idea where you are seeing this, because I just checked the 15.3 repos, including the source repo, and mailutil is not available as a separate package in 15.3.
<snip>
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/mail/openSUSE_Leap_15.3/x8...
QED :-)
QENada you mean. Your original comment made the strong inference that the packages are in the main repo, when they clearly are not. They are in the OBS, and you should have clearly stated that when you posted.
I said that opi and zypper found it (in my machine), and they did. The OP specifically said he was using the server:mail repo, same as I do. True, I did not initially check on which repo the package was on Leap, because by default those two programs do not say, and in tumbleweed it is in the oss repo. The OP was looking inside the alpine package, instead of checking for a mailutils package, which I found existed by grepping in ten thousand of mail messages. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2022-01-05 20:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/01/2022 00.36, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
QENada you mean. Your original comment made the strong inference that the packages are in the main repo, when they clearly are not. They are in the OBS, and you should have clearly stated that when you posted.
I said that opi and zypper found it (in my machine), and they did. The OP specifically said he was using the server:mail repo, same as I do.
Yes -- on /your/ machine; however, by not mentioning that you have that OBS repo installed, you left the clear impression that the packages are in the main 15.3 repo, which they are not.
The OP was looking inside the alpine package, instead of checking for a mailutils package, which I found existed by grepping in ten thousand of mail messages.
Given that, in 15.1, mailutils was part of the alpine package, a perfectly reasonable place to start looking, is it not? Your solution to his problem consisted of showing him the packages he needs are in TW, then leaving him on his own to find them for the version he's using. Don't you think it would have been far more productive simply to give him the solution to his problem?
On 06/01/2022 04.59, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-01-05 20:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/01/2022 00.36, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
QENada you mean. Your original comment made the strong inference that the packages are in the main repo, when they clearly are not. They are in the OBS, and you should have clearly stated that when you posted.
I said that opi and zypper found it (in my machine), and they did. The OP specifically said he was using the server:mail repo, same as I do.
Yes -- on /your/ machine; however, by not mentioning that you have that OBS repo installed, you left the clear impression that the packages are in the main 15.3 repo, which they are not.
The OP was looking inside the alpine package, instead of checking for a mailutils package, which I found existed by grepping in ten thousand of mail messages.
Given that, in 15.1, mailutils was part of the alpine package, a perfectly reasonable place to start looking, is it not?
Your solution to his problem consisted of showing him the packages he needs are in TW, then leaving him on his own to find them for the version he's using. Don't you think it would have been far more productive simply to give him the solution to his problem?
Again, I did not notice the package was not in the oss repo. I thought it was in the oss repo. Please notice that neither zypper nor opi say in what repo it was found by default. You are putting into me an intention to confuse that did not exist. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:42:17 +0100 időpontban Carlos E. R. írta:
On 06/01/2022 04.59, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2022-01-05 20:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/01/2022 00.36, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
QENada you mean. Your original comment made the strong inference that the packages are in the main repo, when they clearly are not. They are in the OBS, and you should have clearly stated that when you posted.
I said that opi and zypper found it (in my machine), and they did. The OP specifically said he was using the server:mail repo, same as I do.
Yes -- on /your/ machine; however, by not mentioning that you have that OBS repo installed, you left the clear impression that the packages are in the main 15.3 repo, which they are not.
The OP was looking inside the alpine package, instead of checking for a mailutils package, which I found existed by grepping in ten thousand of mail messages.
Given that, in 15.1, mailutils was part of the alpine package, a perfectly reasonable place to start looking, is it not? Your solution to his problem consisted of showing him the packages he needs are in TW, then leaving him on his own to find them for the version he's using. Don't you think it would have been far more productive simply to give him the solution to his problem?
Again, I did not notice the package was not in the oss repo. I thought it was in the oss repo. Please notice that neither zypper nor opi say in what repo it was found by default.
You are putting into me an intention to confuse that did not exist.
Do not mix mailutil program with mailtuils package/program. The mailutil program is part of alpine package, it has nothing to do with gnu mailutils. This is from man mailutil in openSUSE Leap 15.1: NAME mailutil - mail utility program SYNTAX mailutil command [switches] [arguments] All commands accept the -d, -v, and -u switches in addition to any command-specific switches. mailutil check [MAILBOX] mailutil create MAILBOX mailutil dedup MAILBOX mailutil delete MAILBOX mailutil rename SOURCE DESTINATION mailutil copy [-rw] [-kw] [-ig] SOURCE DESTINATION mailutil move [-rw] [-kw] [-ig] SOURCE DESTINATION mailutil append [-rw] [-kw] [-ig] SOURCE DESTINATION mailutil appenddelete [-rw] [-kw] [-ig] SOURCE DESTINATION mailutil prune MAILBOX CRITERIA mailutil transfer [-m mode] [-rw] [-kw] [-ig] SOURCE DESTINATION DESCRIPTION mailutil replaces the old chkmail, imapcopy, imapmove, imapxfer, mbxcopy, mbxcreat, and mbxcvt programs. And the alpine package's file list in openSUSE 15.1 (/usr/bin/mailutil is there): rpm -ql alpine /usr/bin/alpine /usr/bin/alpinef /usr/bin/mailutil /usr/bin/pine /usr/bin/rpdump /usr/bin/rpload /usr/share/applications/alpine.desktop /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/LICENSE /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/NOTICE /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/README /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/background.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/cmd-line.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/config-notes.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/config.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/index.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/installation.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/introduction.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/low-level.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/mailcap.unx /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/mime.types /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/porting.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/tech-notes.txt /usr/share/man/man1/alpine.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/mailutil.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/rpdump.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/rpload.1.gz /usr/share/pixmaps/alpine.png The alpine package's file list in openSUSE Leap 15.3 (there is no /usr/bin/mailutil): rpm -ql alpine /usr/bin/alpine /usr/bin/alpinef /usr/bin/pine /usr/bin/rpdump /usr/bin/rpload /usr/share/applications/alpine.desktop /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/README /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/background.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/cmd-line.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/config-notes.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/config.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/index.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/installation.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/introduction.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/low-level.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/mailcap.unx /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/mime.types /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/porting.html /usr/share/doc/packages/alpine/tech-notes.txt /usr/share/licenses/alpine /usr/share/licenses/alpine/LICENSE /usr/share/licenses/alpine/NOTICE /usr/share/man/man1/alpine.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/rpdump.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/rpload.1.gz /usr/share/pixmaps/alpine.png My original question was why mailutil is not included in 15.3 alpine. And where I can find information on its removal. The package documentation files doesn't mention it. In the meantime I compiled alpine from its original source and found that mailutil is not built in by default. I had to use configure option --with-bundled-tools to build mailutil. Maybe the package maintainers did not remove the program on purpose, only missed this option. Istvan
On 06/01/2022 12.25, Istvan Gabor wrote:
Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:42:17 +0100 időpontban Carlos E. R. írta:
Do not mix mailutil program with mailtuils package/program.
The mailutil program is part of alpine package, it has nothing to do with gnu mailutils.
Ah, ok, I see. I can not see the contents of package mailutils without installing it, and installation conflicts with other packages. ...
My original question was why mailutil is not included in 15.3 alpine. And where I can find information on its removal. The package documentation files doesn't mention it.
The changelog does mention it: - Drop /usr/bin/mailutil, it is not built by default anymore.
In the meantime I compiled alpine from its original source and found that mailutil is not built in by default. I had to use configure option --with-bundled-tools to build mailutil. Maybe the package maintainers did not remove the program on purpose, only missed this option.
No, changelog indicates it was intentional. Then, I suggest you open a bugzilla against "alpine" package, requesting the program be included again. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2022-01-06 03:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Again, I did not notice the package was not in the oss repo. I thought it was in the oss repo. Please notice that neither zypper nor opi say in what repo it was found by default.
I don't use opi, but: zypper --help search --> zypper se --details <package>
You are putting into me an intention to confuse that did not exist.
I am doing nothing of the sort. All I am saying is that you have a tendency to leave information out of your answers, which can give the reader the impression you are saying things which you do not intend to say. If you wish to carry this any further, let us please take it off list; it does not belong here.
6. 1. 2022 v 14:13, Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca>:
On 2022-01-06 03:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Again, I did not notice the package was not in the oss repo. I thought it was in the oss repo. Please notice that neither zypper nor opi say in what repo it was found by default.
I don't use opi, but:
zypper --help search --> zypper se --details <package>
You are putting into me an intention to confuse that did not exist.
I am doing nothing of the sort.
All I am saying is that you have a tendency to leave information out of your answers, which can give the reader the impression you are saying things which you do not intend to say.
If you wish to carry this any further, let us please take it off list; it does not belong here.
+ on that. I have noticed too, that Carlos has habit of describing whole process how he looked into his notes, then figured out that he has it in some other notes and describing whole process that he did to check for an answer… Then talking about slightly different topic, without actually answering the answer. Sometimes even confusing what the OP really is asking about. TBH I can see this behaviour in many of his posts. Please @Carlos do not take this as an offence, but try to be as factual as possible. It is not necessary (and it’s contraproductive) to describe how did you search for an answer in your notes, without actually answering the question. You are confusing users without actually answering them factually, I have seen this many times in your posts. Just try to be as brief and as factual as possible. It will remove much confusion. Cheers!
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:30 PM Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 05/01/2022 20.56, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:54 PM Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@gmail.hu> wrote:
Hello:
I've been using mailutil program to backup my imap mailboxex.
It seems that openSUSE Leap 15.3 doesn't have this program.
It is part of alpine package and it is there in Leap 15.1 alpine. But not in Leap 15.3 alpine package. I checked two alpine packages, the official OSS package, and alpine from repositories/server:/mail/ repo. None has mailutils.
Does anyone know why,
Read package changelog.
It says:
- Drop /usr/bin/mailutil, it is not built by default anymore.
But not why :-?
You are splitting hairs again. This program was removed because upstream decided to not build it anymore. This is a pretty good reason for a packager to drop it. I do not know what explanation you expect beyond that.
On 06/01/2022 07.47, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:30 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 05/01/2022 20.56, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:54 PM Istvan Gabor <> wrote:
Hello:
I've been using mailutil program to backup my imap mailboxex.
It seems that openSUSE Leap 15.3 doesn't have this program.
It is part of alpine package and it is there in Leap 15.1 alpine. But not in Leap 15.3 alpine package. I checked two alpine packages, the official OSS package, and alpine from repositories/server:/mail/ repo. None has mailutils.
Does anyone know why,
Read package changelog.
It says:
- Drop /usr/bin/mailutil, it is not built by default anymore.
But not why :-?
You are splitting hairs again.
This program was removed because upstream decided to not build it anymore. This is a pretty good reason for a packager to drop it. I do not know what explanation you expect beyond that.
Well, that explanation can not be, as TW is building it in the oss repo, and Leap is building it on mail repo under another name. For some reason someone decided to split the package on two. I have checked upstream and there is no reference to mailutils back to september 2007 in their mail list. Only one note on 2016 that openSUSE had the mailutils program in a separate package for some reason long ago, then it was removed, something about uw-imap being outdated, then put back in the alpine package. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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