One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.2 & kernel 3.17.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On November 2, 2014 9:32:13 PM PST, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
In North America, nippy usually means "cold". What does it mean down under? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/11/14 09:37, John Andersen wrote:
On November 2, 2014 9:32:13 PM PST, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
In North America, nippy usually means "cold". What does it mean down under?
Here in the cradle of our semi-mutually intelligible language it means (A) Cold; (B) Fast. ;) Dx
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On 03/11/14 20:37, John Andersen wrote:
On November 2, 2014 9:32:13 PM PST, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
In North America, nippy usually means "cold". What does it mean down under?
I find this site quite useful - in particular the thesaurus part (what's another word for 'thesaurus'?): http://dictionary.reference.com/ And to also add to what Dylan wrote, it could also mean sharp or biting :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.2 & kernel 3.17.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 08:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
what's another word for 'thesaurus'?)
its a misprint. It originally read "The Saurus". Compared to a humble dictionary its huge since it contains the dictionary many times over. The name was intended as an insult based on the understand of dino-saurus (as they were termed then) at the time. As is so often the case, the proponents adopted the insulting label as a badge of honour to show they despised the insult. :-) -- Opposition To reduce someone's influence, first expand it; To reduce someone's force, first increase it; To overthrow someone, first exalt them; To take from someone, first give to them. This is the subtlety by which the weak overcome the strong: Fish should not leave their depths, And swords should not leave their scabbards. -- Lao Tse, "Tao Te Ching" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 09:31 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 11/03/2014 04:03 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
read "The Saurus"
- something to do with Lizards ?
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I have also noticed 13.2 does seem to be slightly faster than 13.1 as well which I am happy about. On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 11/03/2014 09:31 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 11/03/2014 04:03 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
read "The Saurus"
- something to do with Lizards ?
Dragon's hoard of treasure, maybe?
-- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Le 03/11/2014 19:46, Timothy Butterworth a écrit :
I have also noticed 13.2 does seem to be slightly faster than 13.1 as well which I am happy about.
anyways, install and run on old MSI-PR200 jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 03 November 2014 13.46:45 Timothy Butterworth wrote:
I have also noticed 13.2 does seem to be slightly faster than 13.1 as well which I am happy about.
This is also my observation. Especially my old 32-bit hardware seems to perform better and better with the later releases. :) It's a shame 32-bit support is to be phased out. It will happen eventually, of course, but not right away, I hope. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Olav Reinert <seroton10@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday 03 November 2014 13.46:45 Timothy Butterworth wrote:
I have also noticed 13.2 does seem to be slightly faster than 13.1 as well which I am happy about.
This is also my observation. Especially my old 32-bit hardware seems to perform better and better with the later releases. :) It's a shame 32-bit support is to be phased out. It will happen eventually, of course, but not right away, I hope.
Other than one or two voices I haven't seen much support for 32-bit phase-out in openSUSE. When it is seriously broached as a topic I'm sure there will be lots of discussion. For now I think it is just borrowing trouble to get concerned about it. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 02:28 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Other than one or two voices I haven't seen much support for 32-bit phase-out in openSUSE.
When it is seriously broached as a topic I'm sure there will be lots of discussion.
For now I think it is just borrowing trouble to get concerned about it.
Greg
Unless there is some technical chasm that makes it impossible to compile/prepare/release a 32-bit version, there SHALL be a 32-bit release. There is far too much hardware out there that, for the next decade, will continue to operate, it would be grossly negligent not to provide a 32-bit release. Eventually, yes, now, no. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 09:26 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Unless there is some technical chasm that makes it impossible to compile/prepare/release a 32-bit version, there SHALL be a 32-bit release. There is far too much hardware out there that, for the next decade, will continue to operate, it would be grossly negligent not to provide a 32-bit release.
Eventually, yes, now, no.
What about 16-bit? I remember 16-bit UNIX. Much more efficient code! Tighter too, shorter pointers. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 09:55 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
What about 16-bit? I remember 16-bit UNIX. Much more efficient code! Tighter too, shorter pointers. And what about the 8080, Z80 and 6502 crowds Why should they be left out?
BTW, my first computer was an IMSAI 8080, with the Intel 8080 CPU. Of course we can't forget that incredible Microsoft product, Xenix! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 22:00 -0500, James Knott wrote:
On 11/03/2014 09:55 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
What about 16-bit? I remember 16-bit UNIX. Much more efficient code! Tighter too, shorter pointers. And what about the 8080, Z80 and 6502 crowds Why should they be left out?
BTW, my first computer was an IMSAI 8080, with the Intel 8080 CPU. Of course we can't forget that incredible Microsoft product, Xenix! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
Sorry, just could not resist :-) sixteen whole bits? what a waste! http://www.linurs.org/mc14500.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 08:55 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
What about 16-bit? I remember 16-bit UNIX. Much more efficient code! Tighter too, shorter pointers.
You leave my 16-bit hot-rod out of this.... There is nothing wrong with ax, bx, cx, dx, es, si, di. All those other bits in the registers are just fertile ground for code-bloat. Next thing you know they will be talking about 64-bit registers and probably adding all kinds of additional registers for sse, mmx and maybe even an 'f' and 'g' -- God forbid... and then generalize effective addressing to registers other than bx... What is the world coming to? ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/04/2014 09:35 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
and then generalize effective addressing to registers other than bx... What is the world com
You mean like the PDP-11 (another 16 bit machine, but it ran UNIX) of the 1970s or the older IBM /360? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/03/2014 01:46 PM, Timothy Butterworth wrote:
I have also noticed 13.2 does seem to be slightly faster than 13.1 as well which I am happy about.
"Zippy" ? -- If it's a good idea, go ahead and do it. It is much easier to apologize than it is to get permission. - Admiral Grace Hopper -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/3/2014 5:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/11/14 20:37, John Andersen wrote:
On November 2, 2014 9:32:13 PM PST, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
In North America, nippy usually means "cold". What does it mean down under?
I find this site quite useful - in particular the thesaurus part (what's another word for 'thesaurus'?):
http://dictionary.reference.com/
And to also add to what Dylan wrote, it could also mean sharp or biting :-) .
BC
But Basil: Nobody has any need to boast about "nippy = fast" when they are running your hardware: Quote your sig:------ Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.2 & kernel 3.17.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/11/14 07:04, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/3/2014 5:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/11/14 20:37, John Andersen wrote:
On November 2, 2014 9:32:13 PM PST, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
In North America, nippy usually means "cold". What does it mean down under? I find this site quite useful - in particular the thesaurus part (what's another word for 'thesaurus'?):
http://dictionary.reference.com/
And to also add to what Dylan wrote, it could also mean sharp or biting :-) .
BC
But Basil: Nobody has any need to boast about "nippy = fast" when they are running your hardware:
Quote your sig:------ Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.2 & kernel 3.17.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU
I'm not "boasting" John - I am not the type. I have had this signature line for quite sometime now (?2 years plus) and I use it so as not to have to keep repeating when I ask a question about the oS only to be then asked in return what my system consists of. (Oooooh, that's bad: putting the preposition at the end of the sentence - but what the heck, eh? :-) .) BTW, re "nippy". I told my wife about this and she then told me about some Comments made in one of the oversea online newspapers about the term "removalist" that someone from Australia had used. The Comments were asking if a new English word had been invented. So I looked up "removalist" in that dictionary I mentioned (above) and found that "removalist" indeed was an Australian word where in other parts of the world the word "movers" is used to indicate people who move your household belongs from one house to another. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.2 & kernel 3.17.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/11/14 06:32, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
Ha! Fallen for that old swizz have you? On any fresh installation of openSUSE, going back to the 9.x or 10.x series, I've found that it's 'nippy' at first, but it doesn't take long before the nips nip off down the pub and can't be arsed any more. I don't know what it is that slowly bogs the system down in a Windows-esque way, but it never stays nippy for long. However, since I upgraded my main laptop with an SSD, that's done more than anything else to improve performance, to such an extent that I can no longer judge nippiness so well as launching programs only takes a jiffy. Jiffy in England has many connotations. Let's not go there. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/3/2014 3:34 AM, Peter wrote:
On 03/11/14 06:32, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
Ha! Fallen for that old swizz have you?
On any fresh installation of openSUSE, going back to the 9.x or 10.x series, I've found that it's 'nippy' at first, but it doesn't take long before the nips nip off down the pub and can't be arsed any more. I don't know what it is that slowly bogs the system down in a Windows-esque way, but it never stays nippy for long.
However, since I upgraded my main laptop with an SSD, that's done more than anything else to improve performance, to such an extent that I can no longer judge nippiness so well as launching programs only takes a jiffy.
Jiffy in England has many connotations. Let's not go there.
Peter
Some Linux file systems are more prone to fragmentation that we like to believe. I've noticed this since Opensuse deprecated Riserfs. My next install (any day now) is going to be btrfs. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/3/2014 3:34 AM, Peter wrote:
On 03/11/14 06:32, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
Ha! Fallen for that old swizz have you?
On any fresh installation of openSUSE, going back to the 9.x or 10.x series, I've found that it's 'nippy' at first, but it doesn't take long before the nips nip off down the pub and can't be arsed any more. I don't know what it is that slowly bogs the system down in a Windows-esque way, but it never stays nippy for long.
However, since I upgraded my main laptop with an SSD, that's done more than anything else to improve performance, to such an extent that I can no longer judge nippiness so well as launching programs only takes a jiffy.
Jiffy in England has many connotations. Let's not go there.
Peter
Some Linux file systems are more prone to fragmentation that we like to believe. I've noticed this since Opensuse deprecated Riserfs. My next install (any day now) is going to be btrfs.
I stayed with EXT4 for 13.2 RC1 , I'm personally planing to stay with EXT for the foreseeable future. EXT 3 and 4 have worked out well for me and BTRFS is still in its infancy as far a I am concerned. Tim
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/3/2014 3:34 AM, Peter wrote:
On 03/11/14 06:32, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
Ha! Fallen for that old swizz have you?
On any fresh installation of openSUSE, going back to the 9.x or 10.x series, I've found that it's 'nippy' at first, but it doesn't take long before the nips nip off down the pub and can't be arsed any more. I don't know what it is that slowly bogs the system down in a Windows-esque way, but it never stays nippy for long.
However, since I upgraded my main laptop with an SSD, that's done more than anything else to improve performance, to such an extent that I can no longer judge nippiness so well as launching programs only takes a jiffy.
Jiffy in England has many connotations. Let's not go there.
Peter
Some Linux file systems are more prone to fragmentation that we like to believe. I've noticed this since Opensuse deprecated Riserfs. My next install (any day now) is going to be btrfs.
I'm not very knowledgeable about btrfs, but I'd be very surprised is a COW (copy-on-write) based filesystem achieves good defragmentation. The openSUSE defaults are currently: btrfs on / - The advantage being the ability to roll-back to a snapshot if something goes wrong with the OS. xfs on /home - the advantage being performance Both decisions make sense to me. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/11/14 22:34, Peter wrote:
On 03/11/14 06:32, Basil Chupin wrote:
One thing I immediately noticed about 13.2 is that it is "nippy" - compared to 13.1 :-) .
BC
Ha! Fallen for that old swizz have you?
On any fresh installation of openSUSE, going back to the 9.x or 10.x series, I've found that it's 'nippy' at first, but it doesn't take long before the nips nip off down the pub and can't be arsed any more. I don't know what it is that slowly bogs the system down in a Windows-esque way, but it never stays nippy for long.
I think what you are describing is what happens to most couples not too long after they get married :-) .
However, since I upgraded my main laptop with an SSD, that's done more than anything else to improve performance, to such an extent that I can no longer judge nippiness so well as launching programs only takes a jiffy.
Jiffy in England has many connotations. Let's not go there.
Peter
BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.2 & kernel 3.17.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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