I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6? tnx jk
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by james.knott@rogers.com:
I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6?
Historic reasons probably. VT10 has always been the console to use as reader for kernel messages, see your /etc/syslog{-ng}.conf and /etc/inittab files if you wish to change this. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by james.knott@rogers.com:
I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6?
Historic reasons probably. VT10 has always been the console to use as reader for kernel messages, see your /etc/syslog{-ng}.conf and /etc/inittab files if you wish to change this.
tnx I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by james.knott@rogers.com:
I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6?
Historic reasons probably. VT10 has always been the console to use as reader for kernel messages, see your /etc/syslog{-ng}.conf and /etc/inittab files if you wish to change this.
tnx
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
VirtualTerminals (VT's) and desktops are not one and the same. They have nothing to do with "switch user menu". -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
VirtualTerminals (VT's) and desktops are not one and the same. They have nothing to do with "switch user menu".
Well, they're both on the switch user menu on my copy of SUSE 10 & KDE. Try starting up a few desktops and text consoles. Then click on Switch User to see all the listed sessions and tell me what you see. Also, a new desktop will not start on vt10. The next new desktop after vt9 will be on vt11.
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 08:35 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
VirtualTerminals (VT's) and desktops are not one and the same. They have nothing to do with "switch user menu".
Well, they're both on the switch user menu on my copy of SUSE 10 & KDE. Try starting up a few desktops and text consoles. Then click on Switch User to see all the listed sessions and tell me what you see. Also, a new desktop will not start on vt10. The next new desktop after vt9 will be on vt11.
I currently have ten desktops defined as shown on the bottom bar and one VT session shown as vt7: on the switch user menu. Yes, each vt: session can have it's own settings and desktops but I still say that a desktop does not equal a vt session. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 08:35 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
VirtualTerminals (VT's) and desktops are not one and the same. They have nothing to do with "switch user menu".
Well, they're both on the switch user menu on my copy of SUSE 10 & KDE. Try starting up a few desktops and text consoles. Then click on Switch User to see all the listed sessions and tell me what you see. Also, a new desktop will not start on vt10. The next new desktop after vt9 will be on vt11.
I currently have ten desktops defined as shown on the bottom bar and one VT session shown as vt7: on the switch user menu. Yes, each vt: session can have it's own settings and desktops but I still say that a desktop does not equal a vt session.
I'm not referring to the multiple copies of the desktop that can be set up in Linux. I'm referring to the separate login desktops, which can be on the same computer or remote to another. That is the ones you switch between, using the CTL-ALT-Fn combinations.
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 15:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 08:35 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
VirtualTerminals (VT's) and desktops are not one and the same. They have nothing to do with "switch user menu".
Well, they're both on the switch user menu on my copy of SUSE 10 & KDE. Try starting up a few desktops and text consoles. Then click on Switch User to see all the listed sessions and tell me what you see. Also, a new desktop will not start on vt10. The next new desktop after vt9 will be on vt11.
I currently have ten desktops defined as shown on the bottom bar and one VT session shown as vt7: on the switch user menu. Yes, each vt: session can have it's own settings and desktops but I still say that a desktop does not equal a vt session.
I'm not referring to the multiple copies of the desktop that can be set up in Linux. I'm referring to the separate login desktops, which can be on the same computer or remote to another. That is the ones you switch between, using the CTL-ALT-Fn combinations.
That's where I am messed up, I always knew of them as being called virtual consoles that you access using ctrl-alt-Fn. A desktop can contain many program windows whereas a console can only contain text. And VT's are graphical login sessions. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Sunday 30 April 2006 21:44, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 15:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 08:35 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
VirtualTerminals (VT's) and desktops are not one and the same. They have nothing to do with "switch user menu".
Well, they're both on the switch user menu on my copy of SUSE 10 & KDE. Try starting up a few desktops and text consoles. Then click on Switch User to see all the listed sessions and tell me what you see. Also, a new desktop will not start on vt10. The next new desktop after vt9 will be on vt11.
I currently have ten desktops defined as shown on the bottom bar and one VT session shown as vt7: on the switch user menu. Yes, each vt: session can have it's own settings and desktops but I still say that a desktop does not equal a vt session.
I'm not referring to the multiple copies of the desktop that can be set up in Linux. I'm referring to the separate login desktops, which can be on the same computer or remote to another. That is the ones you switch between, using the CTL-ALT-Fn combinations.
That's where I am messed up, I always knew of them as being called virtual consoles that you access using ctrl-alt-Fn. A desktop can contain many program windows whereas a console can only contain text. And VT's are graphical login sessions.
KDE seems to call them all vt's (from my Switch User menu): [x]leen: kde (:0, vt7) root: TTY login (vt2) But lo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console <q>virtual console (VC, sometimes virtual terminal, VT)</q> Cheers, Leen
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:22 +0200, Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 21:44, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 15:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
That's where I am messed up, I always knew of them as being called virtual consoles that you access using ctrl-alt-Fn. A desktop can contain many program windows whereas a console can only contain text. And VT's are graphical login sessions.
KDE seems to call them all vt's (from my Switch User menu): [x]leen: kde (:0, vt7) root: TTY login (vt2)
But lo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
<q>virtual console (VC, sometimes virtual terminal, VT)</q>
That's what happens when newer people come on board and change the meaning of things. Same thing happened with "su" which means SwitchUser (which is what it does), people now refer to it as SuperUser because most people use it to temporarily which to root. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Monday 01 May 2006 01:52, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:22 +0200, Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 21:44, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 15:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
That's where I am messed up, I always knew of them as being called virtual consoles that you access using ctrl-alt-Fn. A desktop can contain many program windows whereas a console can only contain text. And VT's are graphical login sessions.
KDE seems to call them all vt's (from my Switch User menu): [x]leen: kde (:0, vt7) root: TTY login (vt2)
But lo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
<q>virtual console (VC, sometimes virtual terminal, VT)</q>
That's what happens when newer people come on board and change the meaning of things.
Well, I always found it rather confusing. So if you know a better pointer, please post it here. :)
Same thing happened with "su" which means SwitchUser (which is what it does),
Or substitute user (according to man su).
people now refer to it as SuperUser because most people use it to temporarily which to root.
I didn't know that. Perhaps they do not know what a man page is, let alone how to read it. ;) Cheers, Leen
On Sunday 30 April 2006 13:19, James Knott wrote:
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by james.knott@rogers.com:
I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6?
Historic reasons probably. VT10 has always been the console to use as reader for kernel messages, see your /etc/syslog{-ng}.conf and /etc/inittab files if you wish to change this.
tnx
I've also noticed that you can have more desktops than available function keys. However, you have to use the switch user menu, to do that.
That depends:
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 20:45 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6?
Why not? VT6 is used for another text console where you may log in. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVJWMtTMYHG2NR9URAq4JAJoD0thKwPEQgZqbRuZ+VRlHe4G4NwCeI3Cy YloTShgzSc4QpELxkCd2L5g= =qhaq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 20:45 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've tried starting several desktops (some remote) and noticed something curious. The desktops start on vt7, then vt8 & vt9. But then for some reason, vt10 is skipped and the next desktop appears on vt11. When I switch to vt10, it appears as though it's being used for some status or error messages. Why is it here, instead of perhaps on vt6?
Why not? VT6 is used for another text console where you may log in.
I'm aware of that, I just thought it would be nice to keep all the text consoles together. ;-) Actually, it just seemed unusual to me and I was just curious as to why.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 07:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Why not? VT6 is used for another text console where you may log in.
I'm aware of that, I just thought it would be nice to keep all the text consoles together. ;-)
Actually, it just seemed unusual to me and I was just curious as to why.
Well, number ten was the last one, before we had keyboards with 12 function keys. The error console was the last console, and it wasn't pushed to #12 out of tradition or for the chance of not having a modern keyboard. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVMXltTMYHG2NR9URAibOAJ9Ezar+Su7urTjkhrjuPyeOP6puzgCfWrED PIYYtqKMFeZ8gUxi75q3Mhk= =aH4y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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