[opensuse] RE: Best fit Windows windowing between KDE vs Gnome
Preface: I'm planning on starting a program by which anyone that will try it, giving the potential new client a version of the LIVE CD to play with and hopefully be a new convert. I have several in mind already since they've recently gotten burnt by buying a system with Vista. Most are on the fence between MAC and Linux. And not to start a posting war because I know there are pluses and minuses of each .... What version of windowing best resembles Windows - KDE or Gnome. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild Reed Organ Society Member St. Louis, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@charter.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 9+ years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 26 May 2008 03:34:51 Hechler Family wrote:
What version of windowing best resembles Windows - KDE or Gnome.
That's a clear cut KDE. Gnome is more about Mac. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Monday 26 May 2008 03:34:51 Hechler Family wrote:
What version of windowing best resembles Windows - KDE or Gnome.
That's a clear cut KDE. Gnome is more about Mac.
Actually, it seems to be the opposite of that. kde is infinitely more configurable than gnome, and the multiple desktops are very *un* windows-like. OTOH gnome tends to hide tuning knobs from the user, and as shipped in the past few suse releases, gnome defaults to a single desktop, just like microsoft windows. Interestingly, the kde project was launched to showcase the power and flexibility of *unix*. OTOH gnome architect Miguel De Icaza originally wanted to go work for microsoft, and gnome is said to be more of less his 'tip of the hat' to the redmond monopolist. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
This list is fantastic! Not ever using Gnome, I didn't know about the look-and-feel. I've been using KDE (and Linux) for about 10 years and always thought it was, by default, closer to Windows look-and-feel. For my project sake, it looks like KDE it is. Again, thanks to all responders, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild Reed Organ Society Member St. Louis, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@charter.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 9+ years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 26 May 2008 07:02:44 Hechler Family wrote:
I've been using KDE (and Linux) for about 10 years and always thought it was, by default, closer to Windows look-and-feel.
For my project sake, it looks like KDE it is.
Let us know how you get on with this project, and if you have any problems with the live cd, the KDE team is at opensuse-kde@kde.org. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-25 at 20:40 -0700, Joe Sloan wrote:
Actually, it seems to be the opposite of that. kde is infinitely more configurable than gnome, and the multiple desktops are very *un* windows-like.
You forget that gnome also has multiple desktops. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPU1EtTMYHG2NR9URAszsAJ0d+k85HJv9j9Qbd4YrvuaAIVvV5QCfZXC9 eTEKtxejSpqzuXs6tAV66Mw= =tzT8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2008-05-25 at 20:40 -0700, Joe Sloan wrote:
Actually, it seems to be the opposite of that. kde is infinitely more configurable than gnome, and the multiple desktops are very *un* windows-like.
You forget that gnome also has multiple desktops.
You removed the portion of my post that said "as shipped in the past few suse releases" - yes, gnome can be set up for multiple desktops, but an option is apparently so well hidden that it's not uncommon for new gnome users to be unaware that the option exists. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-28 at 10:16 -0700, Sloan wrote:
You forget that gnome also has multiple desktops.
You removed the portion of my post that said "as shipped in the past few suse releases" - yes, gnome can be set up for multiple desktops, but an option is apparently so well hidden that it's not uncommon for new gnome users to be unaware that the option exists.
Maybe I did, but I've been using gnome for years, I have 10.3, and I use and used multiple desktops (nine). Yes, the setting is not trivial to find, but it is there. Most if not all of the linux X things, not only gnome and kde, have multiple desktops, I think. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPbautTMYHG2NR9URAp5eAJ9TyucsU/f9FmNt2maOdSlyYRL6FgCfZ+85 Yl7bAaoPXGibAtevws9op1g= =FPv2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Wednesday 2008-05-28 at 10:16 -0700, Sloan wrote:
You forget that gnome also has multiple desktops.
You removed the portion of my post that said "as shipped in the past few suse releases" - yes, gnome can be set up for multiple desktops, but an option is apparently so well hidden that it's not uncommon for new gnome users to be unaware that the option exists.
Maybe I did, but I've been using gnome for years, I have 10.3, and I use and used multiple desktops (nine). Yes, the setting is not trivial to find, but it is there. Most if not all of the linux X things, not only gnome and kde, have multiple desktops, I think.
We're also defaulting to multiple desktops again in GNOME for 11.0. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-28 at 16:40 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
We're also defaulting to multiple desktops again in GNOME for 11.0.
You know, that's the thing that I miss most the few times I have to use windows :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPdfwtTMYHG2NR9URAjICAJwK1jfFgc9mrK7X0U6Nk/zP2AHvFwCcDSMo U2xf8FHtoIiBWJ9AEhK74u8= =1PCp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
We're also defaulting to multiple desktops again in GNOME for 11.0.
You know, that's the thing that I miss most the few times I have to use windows :-)
No need to miss it at all. Log onto SourceForge and download VirtuaWin. Linux-inspired multiple desktops, and open source at that. What's not to like? I HAVE to use Windows (I develop software for Windows). But I wouldn't do it without VirtuaWin. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
We're also defaulting to multiple desktops again in GNOME for 11.0.
You know, that's the thing that I miss most the few times I have to use windows :-)
No need to miss it at all. Log onto SourceForge and download VirtuaWin. Linux-inspired multiple desktops, and open source at that. What's not to like?
I HAVE to use Windows (I develop software for Windows). But I wouldn't do it without VirtuaWin.
That's.. um... an interesting choice of career for a linux enthusiast. Glutton for punishment? Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sloan wrote:
I HAVE to use Windows (I develop software for Windows). But I wouldn't do it without VirtuaWin.
That's.. um... an interesting choice of career for a linux enthusiast. Glutton for punishment?
Strictly mercenary. I'm well rewarded for my suffering. Actually, I'm better described as a "computer enthusiast." Windows is the OS that pays the bills. Linux is the one that puts the biggest grin on my face. But in the end, it's the applications that matter most, not the OS. I'm answering you on Thunderbird, running on an XP-Pro laptop, because I've had various "issues" with Linux on this machine. As long as I have Thunderbird, though, and Firefox, I wouldn't care if it was on a Timex Sinclair. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 15:31, Sloan wrote:
Jerry Houston wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
We're also defaulting to multiple desktops again in GNOME for 11.0.
You know, that's the thing that I miss most the few times I have to use windows :-)
No need to miss it at all. Log onto SourceForge and download VirtuaWin. Linux-inspired multiple desktops, and open source at that. What's not to like?
I HAVE to use Windows (I develop software for Windows). But I wouldn't do it without VirtuaWin.
That's.. um... an interesting choice of career for a linux enthusiast. Glutton for punishment?
I think relatively few professional (for our purposes, that's paid) software developers have the luxury of just saying "no" to Windows, in one way or another. There's no particular reason one must develop _for_ the Windows platform, but it's not realistic (again, for most of us) to refuse to touch a Windows box. (Thank the various gods for Cygwin!) Even though these days I do pretty much platform-neutral (so-called "pure" Java) server-side software with a browser-based user interface, I still have to be able to deal with clients and a partner who are Windows weenies. And then there's those few pieces of software that I use myself that are available only on Windows: Stuff ranging from the application that uploads and analyzes my GPS cycling tracks to MotionBased.com to Adobe Acrobat and others. I would consider it an enormous luxury to never need to use Windows, but that day is not yet in sight.
Joe
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
I would consider it an enormous luxury to never need to use Windows, but that day is not yet in sight.
Sorry to hear that - linux work is definitely paying the bills for me, though there were lean years in the early going where I was pressured to do some windows stuff. Lately linux has been gaining enough momentum and mind share here at $BIG_COMPANY that I've got all sorts of fun projects lined up, and they've been perfectly willing to send me out to linux events (oracle/linux training, linux world, etc)
Randall Schulz
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-28 at 15:28 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
We're also defaulting to multiple desktops again in GNOME for 11.0.
You know, that's the thing that I miss most the few times I have to use windows :-)
No need to miss it at all. Log onto SourceForge and download VirtuaWin. Linux-inspired multiple desktops, and open source at that. What's not to like?
Noted for future reference, thanks :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPf0qtTMYHG2NR9URAh9aAJ441YAlXmGnw1cp5c2HtHE7bGBOWQCeJJEw R/FyaLtvJD+iOyZZgwAlz58= =RRvW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hechler Family wrote:
What version of windowing best resembles Windows - KDE or Gnome.
I develop Windows software for a living (for the past 23 years), and use Linux on my personal machines at home (4, plus some VMs). so I have some experience with both. IMHO, KDE more closely resembles the Windows GUI, but neither of them is exactly the same. Both offer options that can help make them more Windows-like, if that's what you're after. Vista is indeed a disaster. I have it installed on a VirtualBox v1.6 VM, and my wife uses it on her computer (it came with it installed). It's a shame they didn't implement UAC the way it's done with YaST2. But then, that would have been too "not invented here" for Microsoft. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-25 at 20:34 -0500, Hechler Family wrote:
What version of windowing best resembles Windows - KDE or Gnome.
None. Try "fvwm95". :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPU37tTMYHG2NR9URAqTdAJ409CfUIR45OGJrGBTDEOSZSGBrZQCffolB Ke/W15Lkd0IDGao6ESUpgKk= =NCpv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I think KDE is more Windows-like but I use it because its far more customizable than GNOME, which to me feels "too user friendly".... honestly I'd rather use ratpoison than GNOME. On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Hechler Family <dahechler@charter.net> wrote:
Preface: I'm planning on starting a program by which anyone that will try it, giving the potential new client a version of the LIVE CD to play with and hopefully be a new convert. I have several in mind already since they've recently gotten burnt by buying a system with Vista. Most are on the fence between MAC and Linux.
And not to start a posting war because I know there are pluses and minuses of each ....
What version of windowing best resembles Windows - KDE or Gnome.
-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Associate Member of the Piano Technicians Guild Reed Organ Society Member St. Louis, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@charter.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 9+ years
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honestly I'd rather use ratpoison than GNOME.
Don't tell Mr. Mouse @ Xfce. http://www.xfce.org/ Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Sloan
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Will Stephenson