Novell SuSE, Opensuse and separation line
Decided not to redirect the current thread, hopefully you agree. My thoughts are Novell SuSE - As current from the old SuSE Linux including Commercial Packages - Suits beginners, non-experimentors, Training Organizations, etc. - Available as CD's and DVD Each type complete (as some don't have dvd drives) - Has at least one selfbooting standalone "trial" CD in pack - does have stickers, keytag, etc - Doesn't have experimental, beta, alpha, etc. packages - Has a DECENT staffed 24hr online and worldwide phone help system with first five problems (initial call to confirmed fixed) included (not calls as may require more than one to fix) Opensuse - from the opensuse system plus others - DOESN'T have any commercial packages (I don't include Apache, etc as commercial) - Does have experimental, beta and "Safe to run" alpha (with a readme stating kernal and other program requirement versions required to run) - does have multiple new kernals - does have a tool for patching, etc (yes I know this will be a giant project, but is a missing item) - Available for mailorder sale, bi-monthly sets with complete updates, as CD's and DVD's. - Available free as downloadable iso's AND packages (as some of us are still working 56k max) - free help from web only does anyone have any additional sugestions, comments, or am I shooting blanks down here scsijon
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:41:36PM +1100, scsijon wrote:
does anyone have any additional sugestions, comments, or am I shooting blanks down here
As posted in an earlier tread and will be posted in the minutes from the IRC meeting yesterday, there will be no difference between SUSE (Not SuSE) and SUSE OSS (Not openSUSE) anymore. I will let the 'powers that be' handle the official anouncement. Also: a bi-monthly version? What are you trying to do? Kill the developers? Every 6 months is already an astonishing achievement. houghi -- Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today -- I think he's from the CIA.
At 09:20 PM 25/01/2006, houghi wrote:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:41:36PM +1100, scsijon wrote:
does anyone have any additional sugestions, comments, or am I shooting blanks down here
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Also: a bi-monthly version? What are you trying to do? Kill the developers? Every 6 months is already an astonishing achievement.
no, DON'T expect a full release each time (maybe i should have worded it better, sorry). just wanting an UPDATE CD to be available via mail for those of us who, either have problamatical modem download speeds, or would like to play with changes to individual packages or package sets between releases. It could also allow releases to become yearly, with more testing and bugfix time before release. sorry scsijon
scsijon wrote:
just wanting an UPDATE CD to be available via mail for those of us who, either have problamatical modem download speeds, or would like to play with changes to individual packages or package sets between releases.
I do not think is good idea. Installing security updates every to months looks really awful, that's the reason why updates are delivered only via YOU ,after two months will be probably too late...
scsijon wrote:
Decided not to redirect the current thread, hopefully you agree.
It is verry good someone starts stating something like this.
My thoughts are
Novell SuSE - As current from the old SuSE Linux including Commercial Packages - Suits beginners, non-experimentors, Training Organizations, etc. - Available as CD's and DVD Each type complete (as some don't have dvd drives) - Has at least one selfbooting standalone "trial" CD in pack - does have stickers, keytag, etc - Doesn't have experimental, beta, alpha, etc. packages - Has a DECENT staffed 24hr online and worldwide phone help system with first five problems (initial call to confirmed fixed) included (not calls as may require more than one to fix)
Might add something like: It is up to the company that owns the 'SuSE' label (currently Novell) to change the above to their will, while we expect them to respect (or more?) the Opensuse community.
Opensuse - from the opensuse system plus others
Might like to call this the OpenSuSE community.
- DOESN'T have any commercial packages (I don't include Apache, etc as commercial)
Better state something like it might contain not-so-open software, the main target should be something like: - free to distribute with the distro and its deriviates. - free to use on a relative wide scale (personal, test, development, non-commercial redistribution) up to (but excluding ;-) resell. - non-free packages are only included if they are in NovellSuSE so buying that will solve the license.
- Does have experimental, beta and "Safe to run" alpha (with a readme stating kernal and other program requirement versions required to run) - does have multiple new kernals - does have a tool for patching, etc (yes I know this will be a giant project, but is a missing item) - Available for mailorder sale, bi-monthly sets with complete updates, as CD's and DVD's. - Available free as downloadable iso's AND packages (as some of us are still working 56k max)
I'd like to read here: a yast install and update point to install packages or the entire system from, other installation bases (apt, yum, ...) can/might/will be available.
- free help from web only
does anyone have any additional sugestions, comments, or am I shooting blanks down here
Regards CBee
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 20:41 +1100, scsijon wrote:
Decided not to redirect the current thread, hopefully you agree.
My thoughts are
Novell SuSE - As current from the old SuSE Linux including Commercial Packages - Suits beginners, non-experimentors, Training Organizations, etc. - Available as CD's and DVD Each type complete (as some don't have dvd drives) - Has at least one selfbooting standalone "trial" CD in pack - does have stickers, keytag, etc - Doesn't have experimental, beta, alpha, etc. packages
Well that eliminates many of the packages from the purchased version. Quite a number of the packages are beta/alpha (<1.x release). -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
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