[SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be?? maqish <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>why would that be??</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>maqish</FONT></DIV></BODY>
Please be more specific.
Who are "people" and how often is "always"?
Ursprunligt meddelande från 17/03/00, kl. 20:09:34
Avsändare: "maqish"
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Please be more specific.
Who are "people" and how often is "always"?
Ursprunligt meddelande från 17/03/00, kl. 20:09:34
Avsändare: "maqish"
----- Original Message ----- From: maqish
To: SuSE Linux Mailing List Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be??
maqish
Because the word 'Server' is clearly defined. I don't think most people are complaing about SuSE as a workstation, but rather debating the differant in the defination of what exactly is a 'workstation' or 'desktop' computer? A 'server' is allot easier to define and put into a class, everyone pretty much agrees what the word 'server' means, the disagrement or debat (IMHO) comes from a differance in opinion on how the word 'workstation' or 'desktop' is defined. If I said "SuSE Linux is prefect for 'ALL' *computers* ", differant people would take the word 'ALL' in the wrong context. I would surely get emails say "SuSE is *NOT* prefect for 'ALL' *computers*, it won't even run on my *Sega Dreamcast*, which is _techinally_ 'A' *computer*" Some people would assocaite the word 'computer' with 'X86 compatiable Personal Computer' while other would interput the word 'computer' as 'any devices that can process binary data' I don't think there has been really any debat on wheather (SuSE) Linux is a server OS or not, it was built from the ground up with the primary goal of being a server class OS, and most agree that it is a decent to very good server class OS. Some parts of it (KDE/GNOME/etc) are moving more into making it as "user freindly" as other OS on the market, and these project (KDE/GNOME/etc) having be going a really job in making a nice GUI for this server class OS. Since it's primary role has been "server class OS" there is some confusion on what exactly is consider a 'workstation' or 'desktop' computer and there is also confusion about how to tell or judge if (SuSE) Linux is in the 'desktop' or 'workstation' market (if it is not there yet). I have been watching 2-3 threads for the last 2 weeks regarding 'Linux on the desktop', and I tried to hold in it, but it just sliped. I think we need a Linux-HOWTO or Jargon file regarding the meaning of *some* commonly used words, it seems everyone has their own ideas what this $word means and it can cause (among other things) very crispy fire fights on boards : ) Maybe have something like computer[1] - any device that can process data computer[2] - any X86 Class Personal Computer computer[3] - any IBM 360/370 mainframe computer[4] - PDA[3] computer[5] - any computer that physically sits on a desk computer[6] - etc, etc.... That way you could use sentances like "SuSE Linux will run on most computers[2]" : ) J(ust)MHO, Jack -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, maqish wrote:
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be??
That's just silly, because we're leading among all distributions with serious server features, like LVM+journaling reiserfs (first, it has journaling, second it can grow and shrink during runtime (shrinking only unmounted) without reformating, so that LVM is actually useful), rawIO, large memory (4GB) support, and so on. We've more to offer for servers than anyone else. Plus, we've got the developers to keep doing that, this is where we spent our money, instead of marketing. Of our 360 people most are developers, most of them important figures in the open source scene. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ Private Pilot (ASEL+aerobatics) since 1998 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Thanks Micheal, I was looking for the right words. SuSE, as Micheal has stated is the Linux company that has pushed Linux to Enterprise reality. I would invite those that are not familiar with the product to look more closly at the web site. There you will notice that SuSE it active in development of High Availability, Oracle, and middleware. Regards, Jon On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, maqish wrote:
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be??
That's just silly, because we're leading among all distributions with serious server features, like LVM+journaling reiserfs (first, it has journaling, second it can grow and shrink during runtime (shrinking only unmounted) without reformating, so that LVM is actually useful), rawIO, large memory (4GB) support, and so on. We've more to offer for servers than anyone else. Plus, we've got the developers to keep doing that, this is where we spent our money, instead of marketing. Of our 360 people most are developers, most of them important figures in the open source scene.
-- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ Private Pilot (ASEL+aerobatics) since 1998
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maqish wrote:
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be??
maqish
Are you sure you haven't succumbed to M$ FUD? Such a generic complaint is similar to the question "Yes or no: have you stopped beating your wife?" -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 08:09:34PM +0100, maqish wrote:
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be??
It wouldn't. I use SuSE exclusively on all my servers. You just need to trim it down since by default a lot of workstation applications, which aren't needed, or wanted for a server, are installed. -- Brad Shelton On Line Exchange http://online-isp.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
This is just my personal prefrences, derived from my personal experiances...:) For a server (meaning 1 or very few servers), i would run debrain or slackersware. Reasons behind this choice is that both distro's are lean&mean, lightweight, and very straitforward to maintain. An average server (meaning a dedicated mail, HTTP, FTP, NFS, ect. server) can be installed in 30-50 megs and tuned to extract maximum performance. The problem for me is, this is only good for a very small number of servers. The time it takes to tune and maintain and upgrade the systems soon becomes unbearable. You have a 16 machine web farm and you wanna upgrade apache+php3 and your running slackware? good luck going home on time..:) Yast is far from perfect, but it is one of the primary reasons i use SuSE. Actually, its less YaST and more SuSEconfig. i can quickly and easily populate variables in rc.config with scripts accross the network, run SuSEconfig, and BOOM!, its done. SuSE's packages are also very well done. Their package maintainers work very hard to ensure that they work as near perfect as possible. In general, you want something installed, it usually works right out of the box. If i need to upgrade apache+php, i 'rpm -U' and touch up the config files and im done...total time about 2-3 minutes. im too old to screw with things anymore. when i do something, i want it to work the first time, quickly, and correctly. I dont have time to screw with smoething for hours on end anymore. This is where SuSE rocks. anyway... -- ======================================================================== Rocky McGaugh Atipa Linux Solutions Linux Systems Engineer www.atipa.com rocky@smluc.org rmcgaugh@atipa.com ======================================================================== On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, maqish wrote:
People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os but not as Server... why would that be??
maqish
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bshelton@online-isp.com
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dahlqvist@sundsvall.mail.telia.com
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jbarnett@axil.netmate.com
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maqish@wish.net
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marsaro@suse.com
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mha@suse.de
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rmcgaugh@atipa.com