-----Original Message----- From: m thompso [mailto:thompso_m2@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:59 AM To: tduggan@dekaresearch.com Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: RE: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/
I'm not insulting any persons! It is business; it is NOT personal.
It's pretty insulting to suggest a company replace their most visible app with someone else's. And as someone else pointed out that attitude will end up creating a distribution that has absolutely no differentiation from other distributions. Greg
From: Tim Duggan <tduggan@dekaresearch.com>
From: m thompso [SMTP:thompso_m2@hotmail.com]
I agree that the SuSE kernel patches are wonderful, but that doesn't impress a Newbie if he can't get past the installation. The "average" Windoze user is not likely to drop their current Windoze OS if they can't get past the Linux installer. The installer is the "First" link in the chain. At a minimum, the installer should be either a "7" or "8" (on a scale of 1-10)!
Agreed, first impressions mean alot for some, but the pace of development (linux especially) is so fast that a 9 six months ago is considered a 5 or less today. YaST1 may no longer be the slickest utility around, but it does some things the others cannot, it has been well proven and is still one of the most useful utilities around.
Microsoft has a nice installation, but their OS isn't that
SuSE Linux is a nice OS, but the YaST2 installer isn't
terrific. that terrific.
YaST2 in 6.3 was going public for the first time. Like any newborn its legs and arms were short and it couldn't do all of the things people asked of it. Problems are to be expected with the introduction of something new, but you can't wait until development is finished (if it's ever finished) before getting feedback from customers. Bottom line is that sooner or later you must ship product and a decision has to be made when.
The "enemy" is NOT other Linux distributions. For that reason, SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx and Lothar into the next SuSE release.
So all the money spent on the development of YaST2 should be chucked out the window? What about the developers at SuSE who have put in so much effort to produce it? How many times can you take something they have produced and unjustifiably belittle it? The fact is that the 6.3 version of YaST2, while not perfect, is the beginning of highly useful software. The originator of this thread apparently likes it and will probably enjoy the next release even more. While you are free to disagree with his opinion, it is in VERY poor taste to insult the individual developers (even if that were not the intent, it is the result) by implying that their project be chucked and replaced with someone else's software. Using your model, there would be very little software (most of it bad) and even less choice. My first experience with linux was with Yggdrasil's distribution (Plug and Play Linux fall '95, IIRC) and if all they did since then was include other people's software Linux would look more and more like Windows. One installer, one GUI, one more broken OS. If there is only one, is it really a choice?
Tim
Matt
From: Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> Reply-To: ben@whack.org CC: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:28 -0600
Hello all,
I would second this..wait for 6.4. I use to think that Linux was a big waste of time before I discovered SuSE. I was a staunch freeBSD/Solaris advocate, but I have been running SuSE since 5.0 along with my freeBSD box and now my Sun U10. I do know this, if SuSE somehow magically went out of business and they were not producing a Linux distr. I would reformat this box and it would be a Solaris X86 box.
Give these guys a break, they do damn good work..it may not be on installers or anything as low on my list as this, but their kernel work and XFree work alone merits respect.
just my 0.02
BTW .. is icewm 1.02 gonna make it into 6.4 ;D
Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, m thompso wrote:
Correction: "MOST" of YaST2 rocks
I'm still disappointed that YaST2 does not allow me
6.3 to non-adjacent partitions. To install to non-adjacent partitions, I must still use YaST1. Mandrake 7.0-2 uses a top-notch graphical installer called drakx. SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx into the next release of SuSE Linux.
<PERSONAL RANT> Well, since distributions nowadays only seem to be judged by it's installation utility, how should we set ourself apart by reusing someone else's tool? </PERSONAL RANT>
We have added a lot of features in YaST2 for SuSE Linux 6.4.
There will be a more flexible partitioning dialogue, which will also allow you to use ReiserFS partitions and multiple disks (no LVM yet, you still need to fall back to YaST1 for Logical Volumes). In addition to
to install SuSE that,
there is a more flexible package selection and the configuration of Sound cards, printers, Internet connection with Modem/ISDN and Network configuration.
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