[opensuse] Does Everyone's Activities replicate?
Sorry for the Image Attachment My KDE4 Activities replicate each time I log out. I have 4 desktops. I have a different image on each. Other than that, I use now widgets or anything on the desktops. Upon logging back in, I will have a whole bunch of activities (see image) which show up if I right click the desktop and select Activities. After a few days, I see many pages of those activity icons as shown in the picture. In excess of 80 at times. It takes for ever to delete them. And all the customization of desktop images is gone upon each login. This has been happening since the very first release of KDE4, and I can't find any setting to stop it. Every log-out/shutdown adds 8 new activities. (suspend to ram adds none). My /home/[user]/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc keeps growing with new containments added each time shutdown or I log out and back in again. Its getting unmanageable . If you right click your desktop, and select activities, are you seeing what you expect?
On Friday, September 17, 2010 10:08:02 jsa wrote:
I have 4 desktops. I have a different image on each. Other than that, I use now widgets or anything on the desktops.
Upon logging back in, I will have a whole bunch of activities (see image) which show up if I right click the desktop and select Activities. After a few days, I see many pages of those activity icons as shown in the picture. In excess of 80 at times. It takes for ever to delete them.
i used to have this problem under KDE 4.4.2 or something, can't remember exactly. it went away after i deleted all plasma* files in ~/.kde4/share/config/. i had edited some of them manually that time, which must have driven plasma crazy. perhaps a system crash or something caused something similar on your system? -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/17/2010 12:06 AM, phanisvara das wrote:
On Friday, September 17, 2010 10:08:02 jsa wrote:
I have 4 desktops. I have a different image on each. Other than that, I use now widgets or anything on the desktops.
Upon logging back in, I will have a whole bunch of activities (see image) which show up if I right click the desktop and select Activities. After a few days, I see many pages of those activity icons as shown in the picture. In excess of 80 at times. It takes for ever to delete them.
i used to have this problem under KDE 4.4.2 or something, can't remember exactly. it went away after i deleted all plasma* files in ~/.kde4/share/config/. i had edited some of them manually that time, which must have driven plasma crazy. perhaps a system crash or something caused something similar on your system?
-- phani.
I was hoping to avoid the Delete All thingie again, on the assumption that this bug would not still be there in 4.5.1 (its been 2 years). I have done that deletion in the past and the problem simply returns over time. It seems the problem is that current state info is store in those files as well as configuration info. This means i cant set them immutable and be done with this problem. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 01:11:22 John Andersen wrote:
I was hoping to avoid the Delete All thingie again, on the assumption that this bug would not still be there in 4.5.1 (its been 2 years).
I have done that deletion in the past and the problem simply returns over time. It seems the problem is that current state info is store in those files as well as configuration info. This means i cant set them immutable and be done with this problem.
if you've carried your plasma configuration through various updates, i'd suspect that the root for this problem comes from some earlier setup. i'd rename everything plasma* in the config directory, start new (again), and try out if and how that works. i have neither experienced this problem recently, nor have i heard of others who have. some time ago this used to be a frequent complaint. chances are it has been solved by now. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/17/2010 1:28 PM, phanisvara das wrote:
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 01:11:22 John Andersen wrote:
I was hoping to avoid the Delete All thingie again, on the assumption that this bug would not still be there in 4.5.1 (its been 2 years).
I have done that deletion in the past and the problem simply returns over time. It seems the problem is that current state info is store in those files as well as configuration info. This means i cant set them immutable and be done with this problem.
if you've carried your plasma configuration through various updates, i'd suspect that the root for this problem comes from some earlier setup. i'd rename everything plasma* in the config directory, start new (again), and try out if and how that works. i have neither experienced this problem recently, nor have i heard of others who have. some time ago this used to be a frequent complaint. chances are it has been solved by now.
-- phani.
Not solved. I logged out. Logged into a shell as root, nuked those files you mentioned. Logged back in to a stock OpenSuse desktop. Right clicked, selected Activities and there they ALL were again. Now well over 100 different activities on the display. What an incredible mess. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 September 2010, John Andersen wrote:
I logged out.
Logged into a shell as root, nuked those files you mentioned. Logged back in to a stock OpenSuse desktop. Right clicked, selected Activities and there they ALL were again. Now well over 100 different activities on the display.
What an incredible mess.
I don't have this here, neither in 32 bit nor in 64 bit. So there must be something on you machine. Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/17/2010 04:14 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Not solved.
I logged out.
Logged into a shell as root, nuked those files you mentioned. Logged back in to a stock OpenSuse desktop. Right clicked, selected Activities and there they ALL were again. Now well over 100 different activities on the display.
What an incredible mess.
I just have to post a little reminder - not to start a firestorm, but just a reminder, that KDE4 is still BETA. (that is a loud period at the end) Yes, it has gotten better, yes it has more features, but the features, core, plasma, activities, dialogs, etc.. are all still really dynamic works in progress. It is fun to watch KDE4 develop and watch it improve, but most of us here know a bit about code and have come to expect bullet-proof stability from Linux desktops (that was the selling point of Linux as a desktop for years). I have no doubt that KDE4 will get there, but it is nowhere near what can realistically be called as 'stable release' even though we have ratcheted the number following KDE up to 4.5.1. That is precisely why I had to stop using kde4 if I wanted to get work done. After authoring 160+ bugs against it at kde.org with no end in sight, I just didn't need the distractions when I was trying to get work done. If I have time (and I really don't mind doing it), I'll run k4 and go look for duplicate bugs and write new ones. If I don't have time for that, I load k3, gnome, E16 or fluxbox and just concentrate on work.... Candidly, I don't see this changing any time soon until the moving targets of hal/dbus, strigi, kde4, etc.. settle into true bug-squashing mode. While it is still in active development, the bugs written are often never fixed because the are superseded by new modules that moot the old bug and we all know new development = new bugs. So work when you need to and bug-squash when you can :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 September 2010, David C. Rankin wrote:
If I don't have time for that, I load k3, gnome, E16 or fluxbox and just concentrate on work....
The problem is that K3 has been killed, and Gnome, E16 or Fluxbox just can't compete (as far as I am concerned, of course)... I still run a K3 distribution, but Mepis 8.0.15 will probably the last one (8.5 has KDE 4.4.1). So I follow the trinity project but it's hard to say if they may succeed. I do hope that QT 5 will not require KDE 5 starting from scratch again... Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 02:44:16 John Andersen wrote:
Logged into a shell as root, nuked those files you mentioned. Logged back in to a stock OpenSuse desktop. Right clicked, selected Activities and there they ALL were again. Now well over 100 different activities on the display.
just tried it myself, and you're right. i found a new file in ~/.kde4/share/config/, called "activitymanagerrc". that also needs to be deleted. and there was another one, depending on some widget or other, "plasmoidviewerrc" or similar. i deleted that too. deleting all these without logging out, just stopping plasma with "kquitapp plasma-desktop", doesn't do the trick anymore; KDE keeps the info in some type of cache it seems. but after i logged out, deleted all the stuff (plasma*, plasmoid*, activitymanagerrc), i had a new KDE 4 desktop w/o _any activities_. (normally i have 3, which did _not_ increase during all this, until i deleted them all; now i hope my backup is really up-to-date so i can get them back intact...) -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/17/2010 3:12 PM, phanisvara das wrote:
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 02:44:16 John Andersen wrote:
Logged into a shell as root, nuked those files you mentioned. Logged back in to a stock OpenSuse desktop. Right clicked, selected Activities and there they ALL were again. Now well over 100 different activities on the display.
just tried it myself, and you're right.
i found a new file in ~/.kde4/share/config/, called "activitymanagerrc". that also needs to be deleted. and there was another one, depending on some widget or other, "plasmoidviewerrc" or similar. i deleted that too.
deleting all these without logging out, just stopping plasma with "kquitapp plasma-desktop", doesn't do the trick anymore; KDE keeps the info in some type of cache it seems. but after i logged out, deleted all the stuff (plasma*, plasmoid*, activitymanagerrc), i had a new KDE 4 desktop w/o _any activities_.
(normally i have 3, which did _not_ increase during all this, until i deleted them all; now i hope my backup is really up-to-date so i can get them back intact...)
-- phani.
Just found that myself. There is also .kde4/share/apps/plasma-desktop/activities directory full of suspicious files. But the activitymanagerrc seems to be the culprit. Going to re-configure now, and see if I can manage to keep it stable. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 03:52:32 John Andersen wrote:
There is also .kde4/share/apps/plasma-desktop/activities directory full of suspicious files.
i didn't delete that because i've never seen it. after deleting activitymanagerrc, the desktops were still gone. .../plasma-desktop/activities/ wasn't in my backup since i didn't know about it. still, all activities were restored as before. (i had only hoped for the active desktops.) it was probably the information in that directory that was able to restore those activities. had i created new activities before restoring, it might have added them. perhaps that's the mystery behind your ever-increasing activities... -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/17/2010 3:55 PM, phanisvara das wrote:
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 03:52:32 John Andersen wrote:
There is also .kde4/share/apps/plasma-desktop/activities directory full of suspicious files.
i didn't delete that because i've never seen it. after deleting activitymanagerrc, the desktops were still gone. .../plasma-desktop/activities/ wasn't in my backup since i didn't know about it. still, all activities were restored as before. (i had only hoped for the active desktops.)
it was probably the information in that directory that was able to restore those activities. had i created new activities before restoring, it might have added them. perhaps that's the mystery behind your ever-increasing activities...
-- phani.
Have you logged out and back in again since doing this? My bet is you get at least one more activity upon doing that. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 04:40:47 John Andersen wrote:
Have you logged out and back in again since doing this? My bet is you get at least one more activity upon doing that.
did it just now, and nothing changed: same no. of activities. your's are growing again? strange...no idea what that means (if yes). -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/17/2010 4:18 PM, phanisvara das wrote:
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 04:40:47 John Andersen wrote:
Have you logged out and back in again since doing this? My bet is you get at least one more activity upon doing that.
did it just now, and nothing changed: same no. of activities. your's are growing again? strange...no idea what that means (if yes).
-- phani.
Actually it just grew by one. It added an Unnamed activity. I can live with that. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 04:40:47 John Andersen wrote:
Have you logged out and back in again since doing this? My bet is you get at least one more activity upon doing that.
oh no, on the first login after deleting everything, one additional "unnamed" activity was created. that's what you mean? probably because w/o config files,, plasma always creates a blank activity, and then adds whatever is inside the plasma-desktop/activity/ dir. but after that mine are not increasing. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 18 September 2010 01:20:26 phanisvara das wrote:
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 04:40:47 John Andersen wrote:
Have you logged out and back in again since doing this? My bet is you get at least one more activity upon doing that.
oh no, on the first login after deleting everything, one additional "unnamed" activity was created. that's what you mean? probably because w/o config files,, plasma always creates a blank activity, and then adds whatever is inside the plasma-desktop/activity/ dir. but after that mine are not increasing.
Thanks everyone for the detailed steps to reproduce. This is being tracked upstream at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248386 Upstream Plasma devs have found the cause: when an Activity is stopped or deleted, its Containment (panel, desktop) objects were not removed from the Plasma configuration. On next startup, Plasma sees these Containments that are not assigned to any Activity and helpfully creates a new Activity to maintain its sanity. I'll let this thread know when there is a fix in our packages. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/17/2010 2:14 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 9/17/2010 1:28 PM, phanisvara das wrote:
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 01:11:22 John Andersen wrote:
I was hoping to avoid the Delete All thingie again, on the assumption that this bug would not still be there in 4.5.1 (its been 2 years).
I have done that deletion in the past and the problem simply returns over time. It seems the problem is that current state info is store in those files as well as configuration info. This means i cant set them immutable and be done with this problem.
if you've carried your plasma configuration through various updates, i'd suspect that the root for this problem comes from some earlier setup. i'd rename everything plasma* in the config directory, start new (again), and try out if and how that works. i have neither experienced this problem recently, nor have i heard of others who have. some time ago this used to be a frequent complaint. chances are it has been solved by now.
-- phani.
Not solved.
I logged out.
Logged into a shell as root, nuked those files you mentioned. Logged back in to a stock OpenSuse desktop. Right clicked, selected Activities and there they ALL were again. Now well over 100 different activities on the display.
What an incredible mess.
It appears that in addition to deleting plasma* you have to get rid of activitymanagerrc in that same directory and also get rid of the contents of .kde4/share/apps/plasma-desktop/activities/* Now to re-configure and see how long it lasts. -- _____________________________________ At one time I had a Real Sig. Its been downsized. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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