On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:37 +0530, Vaibhav Kaushal wrote:

hi roger

I must say that VMware until version 6.0.2 does not support openSUSE 10.3 as host or guest. So to get it working, you will have to upgrade to VMware 6.0.1 at least. It must be understood however that even the version 6.0.2 and 6.0.1 have

only the EXPERIMENTAL support for openSUSE 10.3 hosts and guests.you may find some instability. I upgraded from 6.0 to 6.0.2 for the same reason and am facing more CPU usage than the version 6.0 which I ran on SLED.

I wonder why vmware would even need to support opensuse in so specific a fashion. It is a virtual environment that presents some virtual devices. Aside from the kernel, what else would vmware need that is SUSE-specific? At least to do the basic install. I cnn understand later installation of vmware code into the installed OS. But not for the basic OS install.

BTW, openSUSE 10.3 comes with VirtualBOX and you can install it from DVD> it is also a good virtualizer.

But then you need a 10.3 install into which you can install more virtual 10.3's, right? And you need to run them on 10.3.

On 11/12/07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I am running the latest 5.5.x vmware on OpenUSUE 10.0. I want to install OpenSUSE 10.3 as a client. Every time I try, the 10.3 install takes me to a character screen where I can set up partitions and all. Obviously there is something missing in the vmware environment. I choose a Linux/SUSE type client OS when setting up for the install. I am installing from a DVD ISO image file mounted on 10.0. Anyone installed 10.3 this way? I need to do some tests in preparation for implementing 10.3.

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Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:37 +0530, Vaibhav Kaushal wrote:

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hi roger

I must say that VMware until version 6.0.2 does not support openSUSE 10.3 as host or guest. So to get it working, you will have to upgrade to VMware 6.0.1 at least. It must be understood however that even the version 6.0.2 and 6.0.1 have

only the EXPERIMENTAL support for openSUSE 10.3 hosts and guests.you may find some instability. I upgraded from 6.0 to 6.0.2 for the same reason and am facing more CPU usage than the version 6.0 which I ran on SLED.

I wonder why vmware would even need to support opensuse in so specific a fashion. It is a virtual environment that presents some virtual devices. Aside from the kernel, what else would vmware need that is SUSE-specific? At least to do the basic install. I cnn understand later installation of vmware code into the installed OS. But not for the basic OS install.

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BTW, openSUSE 10.3 comes with VirtualBOX and you can install it from DVD> it is also a good virtualizer.

But then you need a 10.3 install into which you can install more virtual 10.3's, right? And you need to run them on 10.3.

Did you try with the free -as in beer- vmware server? I did not try 10.3 with it yet, but it is much more frequently updated and therefore way fresher than your vmware workstation 5.5 installation. Kind regards Eberhard

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On 11/12/07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I am running the latest 5.5.x vmware on OpenUSUE 10.0. I want to install OpenSUSE 10.3 as a client. Every time I try, the 10.3 install takes me to a character screen where I can set up partitions and all. Obviously there is something missing in the vmware environment. I choose a Linux/SUSE type client OS when setting up for the install. I am installing from a DVD ISO image file mounted on 10.0. Anyone installed 10.3 this way? I need to do some tests in preparation for implementing 10.3.

-- Roger Oberholtzer

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On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 10:52 +0100, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

Did you try with the free -as in beer- vmware server?

Not the server.

I did not try 10.3 with it yet, but it is much more frequently updated and therefore way fresher than your vmware workstation 5.5 installation.

I use the 5.5 workstation, which I have purchased and keep rather up-to-date. I currently run VMwareWorkstation-5.5.5-56455. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:24 +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

I run vmware workstation 5.5.5-56455 as well on a SuSE 10.3 host. I had to apply a patch (I'd have to look where I found it but it's named something like vmware-any-any-patch and it doe work.

When I eventually update to 10.3 I can do this. Until then, I need to run on 10.0. I can run, say, XP as a guest on 10.0. I just cannot install 10.3 as a guest. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 12:29 +0100, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

Thierry de Coulon wrote:

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I run vmware workstation 5.5.5-56455 as well on a SuSE 10.3 host. I had to apply a patch (I'd have to look where I found it but it's named something like vmware-any-any-patch and it doe work.

Thierry

On Monday 12 November 2007, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 10:52 +0100, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

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Did you try with the free -as in beer- vmware server? Not the server.

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I did not try 10.3 with it yet, but it is much more frequently updated and therefore way fresher than your vmware workstation 5.5 installation. I use the 5.5 workstation, which I have purchased and keep rather up-to-date. I currently run VMwareWorkstation-5.5.5-56455.

-- Roger Oberholtzer as far as I understood, the problem here is not that vmware runs on 10.3 (it definitely does). I understood that the problem here is that suse 10.3 does not run inside a vmware installation, neither on vmware 5.5 nor on vmware server 1.04 (the latter just tested very rudimentarily).

Yep. That is the problem. At least for me. It seems odd that no one on this list has tried to install 10.3 in vmware. I only recall a thread about installing vmware itself on 10.3. I know that a few European Linux mags (well, one at least) has started distributing vmware images of the various OSs instead of live DVDs. I guess they won't be doing that for 10.3. Unless they know something i don't know.

Kind regards Eberhard

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Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

I am running the latest 5.5.x vmware on OpenUSUE 10.0. I want to install OpenSUSE 10.3 as a client. Every time I try, the 10.3 install takes me to a character screen where I can set up partitions and all. Obviously there is something missing in the vmware environment. I choose a Linux/SUSE type client OS when setting up for the install. I am installing from a DVD ISO image file mounted on 10.0. Anyone installed 10.3 this way? I need to do some tests in preparation for implementing 10.3.

I never tried it with 10.0 but VMWare Server 5.5 works very well under 10.2 with everything I've tried to use as a client including 10.3 (all alpha and beta versions as well as GM) RedHat, Gentoo, XP, 2000, 98 and DOS. When I upgraded my machine to 10.3, VMWare Server refused to work initially but I installed a patch "vmware-any-any-patch" or something like that and from then on, it also worked without flaw. The Workstation version of VMWare does not (last I heard) currently work with 10.3 kernels (larger than 2.6.18 I think it is) so try the SERVER version (possibly with patch if you are using 10.3 as a host) which also happens to be free in non-commercial environments. I tried the VirtualBox solution I've seen offered but it is nowhere near VMWare IMO though it has a lot of good features and will certainly improve with time. As to your problem, I can only hazzard a guess; 10.3 is pretty resource hungry and leaves a bit to be desired when it comes to detecting some hardware, is it possible your virtual machine is just too anemic for a full graphics install, especially memory? I have had no problem with graphical 10.3 installations under VMWare Workstation when I allocate enough VM resources. I use VM to test all alpha/beta versions of SuSE BEFORE I trust it to a real machine. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:30 +0100, Leen de Braal wrote:

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Thierry de Coulon wrote:

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I run vmware workstation 5.5.5-56455 as well on a SuSE 10.3 host. I had to apply a patch (I'd have to look where I found it but it's named something like vmware-any-any-patch and it doe work.

Thierry

On Monday 12 November 2007, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 10:52 +0100, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

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Did you try with the free -as in beer- vmware server? Not the server.

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I did not try 10.3 with it yet, but it is much more frequently updated and therefore way fresher than your vmware workstation 5.5 installation. I use the 5.5 workstation, which I have purchased and keep rather up-to-date. I currently run VMwareWorkstation-5.5.5-56455.

-- Roger Oberholtzer as far as I understood, the problem here is not that vmware runs on 10.3 (it definitely does). I understood that the problem here is that suse 10.3 does not run inside a vmware installation, neither on vmware 5.5 nor on vmware server 1.04 (the latter just tested very rudimentarily).

I run 10.3 in vmware-server 1.04 on a linux host (10.2). No problems.

Did you install 10.3 from vmware server? I am trying from the workstation. It has worked in the past with other OSs, FWIW.

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Kind regards Eberhard

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Richard Creighton wrote:

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I am running the latest 5.5.x vmware on OpenUSUE 10.0. I want to install OpenSUSE 10.3 as a client. Every time I try, the 10.3 install takes me to a character screen where I can set up partitions and all. Obviously there is something missing in the vmware environment. I choose a Linux/SUSE type client OS when setting up for the install. I am installing from a DVD ISO image file mounted on 10.0. Anyone installed 10.3 this way? I need to do some tests in preparation for implementing 10.3.

I never tried it with 10.0 but VMWare Server 5.5 works very well under 10.2 with everything I've tried to use as a client including 10.3 (all alpha and beta versions as well as GM) RedHat, Gentoo, XP, 2000, 98 and DOS. When I upgraded my machine to 10.3, VMWare Server refused to work initially but I installed a patch

"vmware-any-any-patch" or something like that and from then on, it also worked without flaw. The Workstation version of VMWare does not (last I heard) currently work with 10.3 kernels (larger than 2.6.18 I think it is) so try the SERVER version (possibly with patch if you are using 10.3 as a host) which also happens to be free in non-commercial environments. ---------------

Imho, this is not correct. Afaik, VMware server is free, for private use and in commercial environments, as well. I tried the VirtualBox solution I've seen offered but it is nowhere near VMWare IMO though it has a lot of good features and will certainly improve with time.

As to your problem, I can only hazzard a guess;

10.3 is pretty resource hungry and leaves a bit to be desired when it comes to detecting some hardware,

is it possible your virtual machine is just too anemic for a full graphics install, especially memory?

I have had no problem with graphical 10.3 installations under VMWare Workstation when I allocate enough VM resources.

I use VM to test all alpha/beta versions of SuSE BEFORE I trust it to a real machine.

Maybe it also helps to set "vnc=1" as a kernel parameter and then connect with vnc to the machine that is momentarily installed. Please adjust your line length. It is a real pain to manually trim your answer, at least for me. Kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:57 +0100, Leen de Braal wrote:

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On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:30 +0100, Leen de Braal wrote:

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Thierry de Coulon wrote:

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I run vmware workstation 5.5.5-56455 as well on a SuSE 10.3 host. I had to apply a patch (I'd have to look where I found it but it's named something like vmware-any-any-patch and it doe work.

Thierry

On Monday 12 November 2007, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 10:52 +0100, Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Did you try with the free -as in beer- vmware server? > Not the server. > >> I did not try 10.3 with it yet, but it is much more frequently updated >> and therefore way fresher than your vmware workstation 5.5 >> installation. > I use the 5.5 workstation, which I have purchased and keep rather > up-to-date. I currently run VMwareWorkstation-5.5.5-56455. > > -- > Roger Oberholtzer as far as I understood, the problem here is not that vmware runs on 10.3 (it definitely does). I understood that the problem here is that suse 10.3 does not run inside a vmware installation, neither on vmware 5.5 nor on vmware server 1.04 (the latter just tested very rudimentarily).

I run 10.3 in vmware-server 1.04 on a linux host (10.2). No problems.

Did you install 10.3 from vmware server? I am trying from the workstation. It has worked in the past with other OSs, FWIW.

My server is headless. I used (in this case) a WinXP workstation. I always point the CDRom-drive to be used in the (new) virtual machine to an iso-file, especially when installing. The ISO's of all my virtual machines are on my network, I use samba to get them. The 10.3 was a net-install, so I only needed the mini-iso, the machine is installed from download.opensuse.org. All the rest is a piece of cake, just like installing on real hardware.

That is what I expected. It is just not what I got. I tried twice. I guess I will try again. Maybe I should not tell it that it is SUSE?

The install goes like this:

the green welcome screen

the green boot screen. I select 'Installation'

the green booting screen. I press ESC for more info

this is loading lots of things, as is usual. Towards the end, it is loading:

VMWare virtualHW v3

I do not recall to have seen this. If I check the graphics-hardware I see this: VMWare Inc VMWARE0405 and the networkcard is AMD PCnet - Fast 79C971 which is what I usually see.

then it loads a few more drivers, including PCnet. There are one or two others, but the screen quickly changes to the linuxrc in character mode, wanting me to add a swap partition or swap file.

The VMWare virtualHW surprised me. Is this something openSUSE's install senses and is trying? It must be. Maybe there is some difference between what it expects and what I have set up. I did not do anything different from a default virtual machine, except the ISO image is a disk file image. Not mounted. VMWare seems to allow this, as it gets as far as it does.

I did try that route, but it seemd odd to have to do all by hand when the great folk at SUSE have worked so hard to make a nice install environment.

Did you have enough RAM configured for your VM? Mine is 256 now, and it runs, but maybe you need to take some more for the install (512).

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On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 16:30 +0100, Leen de Braal wrote:

Did you have enough RAM configured for your VM? Mine is 256 now, and it runs, but maybe you need to take some more for the install (512).

Give Leen a cigar. (A chocolate one, of course.) The vmware default when I said it was a Linux/SUSE install was set to 160MB. I left it at that. The vmware gui claims that 32M is the minimum, 160 MB is recommended, and max recommended is 276 MB. So, now I tried 256MB. And there was rejoicing. Yast is asking me where I am in the world. I can now try to do the install! -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org