[opensuse] Thunderbird: Everything is 'fraft'
I had a power-out crash (don't ask) and when the machine came back up after plugging the power cord in again and locking the cat out I find Thunderbird misbehaving. It is as if its lost a lot of context. Oh, all the account settings were there but all 'history' had been lost, the counts on the folders, and the "moveto -> recent" history. What's weird and what I can't seem to refine a google query to find is this: 1. Every message in every folder is now a 'draft" as in it says "This is a draft message" and shows an edit button. EVERY message in EVERY folder, not just the ones in the draft folder. Its as if every folder has been marked 'draft' 2. When I do move stuff from inbox to another folder (or 'possible junk' to false-positive or false-negative) the destination folder should be added to the 'recent' history. It isn't, that remains empty. I've not met this problem before and it hasn't happened before this morning's cat-and-the-cable incident. If anyone has any ideas about this I'd be grateful. What is isn't - corrupt file system - access permissions under ~/.thunderbird -- To stay young requires the unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods. -- Lazarus Long -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-27-12 09:19]:
I had a power-out crash (don't ask) and when the machine came back up after plugging the power cord in again and locking the cat out I find Thunderbird misbehaving.
try opening the mail with mutt, easy install and not a lot of dependencies. mutt -f <path-to-mail> -F /dev/null -f directs mutt to non-default mail directory -F will not use *any* configuration if mail appears *normal*, we can go further and export to a new location and you can import back into tb is tb using mbox? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan said the following on 01/27/2012 10:13 AM:
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-27-12 09:19]:
I had a power-out crash (don't ask) and when the machine came back up after plugging the power cord in again and locking the cat out I find Thunderbird misbehaving.
try opening the mail with mutt, easy install and not a lot of dependencies.
That makes no sense to me.
if mail appears *normal*, we can go further and export to a new location and you can import back into tb
is tb using mbox?
No, it using IMAP. The mail is stored on the mail-hub machine which did not suffer the cat-astrophe. Patrick, there is no problem with the mail, reading the mail. It is the local-to-tbird stuff like the accumulator and the history of move/copy that has become sc-err-mucked up. The mail is in that. I can still read the mail, send mail. Its the added functionality" of tbird that took the hit. Somewhere, tbird maintains its own index and counters and memory of what tbird has done (such as "move to again"). Yes maintaining the index when Dovecot already has an index of the headers (and the body since it does full text indexing with Plucine) is wasteful (but the same can be said about KMail and duplicating the index with nepomuk). But that's all beside the point and not at issue here. The problem I'm faced with is local to Thunderbird and nothing to do with mail store. I see, as I access each folder with tbird, that it re-indexes, get a new count of the unread. Fine, but the history for "move to recent" is still absent and it still thinks every file id a draft. I see under ~/.thunderbird the file 'virtualFolders.dat'. Does the status flags there have anything to do with 'draft'? -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-27-12 12:16]:
Patrick, there is no problem with the mail, reading the mail. It is the local-to-tbird stuff like the accumulator and the history of move/copy that has become sc-err-mucked up. The mail is in that. I can still read the mail, send mail. Its the added functionality" of tbird that took the hit.
Sorry then, I know *nothing* of tb, have never used it since I started using mutt about 10-12 years ago. gud luk, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/01/12 01:16, Anton Aylward wrote:
I had a power-out crash (don't ask) and when the machine came back up after plugging the power cord in again and locking the cat out I find Thunderbird misbehaving.
It is as if its lost a lot of context.
Oh, all the account settings were there but all 'history' had been lost, the counts on the folders, and the "moveto -> recent" history.
What's weird and what I can't seem to refine a google query to find is this:
1. Every message in every folder is now a 'draft" as in it says "This is a draft message" and shows an edit button. EVERY message in EVERY folder, not just the ones in the draft folder. Its as if every folder has been marked 'draft'
2. When I do move stuff from inbox to another folder (or 'possible junk' to false-positive or false-negative) the destination folder should be added to the 'recent' history. It isn't, that remains empty.
I've not met this problem before and it hasn't happened before this morning's cat-and-the-cable incident.
If anyone has any ideas about this I'd be grateful.
What is isn't
- corrupt file system - access permissions under ~/.thunderbird
To start off with, I suggest that you do 'e2fsck' on the partition where your linux system is installed. Even though on boot this check is done automatically to recover corrupted indexes etc in the file system this does not always cure all the problems and so doing 'e2fsck' manually is suggested. My wife's computer suffered from this a couple of weeks ago so I speak from "being there, done that". The other thing, Thunderbird has the option to rebuild the folders' indexes - right-click on a folder, select Properties then Repair Folder. Have you done this repair job? (And do you make a weekly backup of your /.mozilla and /.thunderbird sub-directory, hmmmm? :-) . BC -- But when you take arms from people, then you start to upset them, you show you do not trust them because you are frightened or cagey. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin said the following on 01/27/2012 08:23 PM:
On 28/01/12 01:16, Anton Aylward wrote:
I had a power-out crash (don't ask) and when the machine came back up after plugging the power cord in again and locking the cat out I find Thunderbird misbehaving.
It is as if its lost a lot of context.
Oh, all the account settings were there but all 'history' had been lost, the counts on the folders, and the "moveto -> recent" history.
What's weird and what I can't seem to refine a google query to find is this:
1. Every message in every folder is now a 'draft" as in it says "This is a draft message" and shows an edit button. EVERY message in EVERY folder, not just the ones in the draft folder. Its as if every folder has been marked 'draft'
2. When I do move stuff from inbox to another folder (or 'possible junk' to false-positive or false-negative) the destination folder should be added to the 'recent' history. It isn't, that remains empty.
I've not met this problem before and it hasn't happened before this morning's cat-and-the-cable incident.
If anyone has any ideas about this I'd be grateful.
What is isn't
- corrupt file system - access permissions under ~/.thunderbird
To start off with, I suggest that you do 'e2fsck' on the partition where your linux system is installed.
What do you really mean by that? "your linux system is installed". Well mine is "installed" on about 8 or 9 partitions under LVM and there's more stuff that's NFS mounted form the server. Could you be a bit more specific, please. In this case ~/.thunderbird is physically on a file server on a ReiserFS on LVM and used LVM snapshot for backup. ReiserFS is about the most robust I've found. Pulling the plug on it is not a problem. Now because it is on the file server, and the file server didn't go down when the cat got the power cord for the workstation, the problem is limited to files that T'Bird had NFS-open and T'Bird files that were local to the workstation.
The other thing, Thunderbird has the option to rebuild the folders' indexes - right-click on a folder, select Properties then Repair Folder. Have you done this repair job?
Yes, and not only that, T'Bird will build the index for any folder as you open it. I know all about that aspect. As I said to Patrick, this isn't my concern. My concern is that (a) everything is marked "draft" no matter what folder it is in and (b) the 'move -> recent' list is not being built.
(And do you make a weekly backup of your /.mozilla and /.thunderbird sub-directory, hmmmm? :-) .
Yes, since they live on the file server and its done with LVM snapshots ... yamma yamma yamma ... -- Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted line. He caught every other fish. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-28-12 09:06]: ...
Could you be a bit more specific, please.
In this case ~/.thunderbird is physically on a file server on a ReiserFS on LVM and used LVM snapshot for backup.
ReiserFS is about the most robust I've found. Pulling the plug on it is not a problem.
Now because it is on the file server, and the file server didn't go down when the cat got the power cord for the workstation, the problem is limited to files that T'Bird had NFS-open and T'Bird files that were local to the workstation.
From further comment and reflection I would guess that your tb install is borked, not the mail files. Have you reinstalled tb?
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Patrick Shanahan said the following on 01/28/2012 09:40 AM:
From further comment and reflection I would guess that your tb install is borked, not the mail files. Have you reinstalled tb?
Oh yes! It made no difference.
pulling straws here.
Good. I better get some; I'm running short of hair. -- Entropy isn't what it used to be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Changed subject line. I was thinking about 'dwaft', to see will anyone notice. :) On Saturday, January 28, 2012 08:03:41 AM Anton Aylward wrote:
On 28/01/12 01:16, Anton Aylward wrote: ...
Thunderbird misbehaving. ... Oh, all the account settings were there but all 'history' had been lost, the counts on the folders, and the "moveto -> recent" history. ... 1. Every message in every folder is now a 'draft" as in it says "This is a draft message" and shows an edit button. EVERY message in EVERY folder, not just the ones in the draft folder. Its as if every folder has been marked 'draft'
2. When I do move stuff from inbox to another folder (or 'possible junk' to false-positive or false-negative) the destination folder should be added to the 'recent' history. It isn't, that remains empty. ... What is isn't
- corrupt file system - access permissions under ~/.thunderbird ... Well mine is "installed" on about 8 or 9 partitions under LVM and
Basil Chupin said the following on 01/27/2012 08:23 PM: there's more stuff that's NFS mounted form the server. ... In this case ~/.thunderbird is physically on a file server on a ReiserFS on LVM and used LVM snapshot for backup. ... Now because it is on the file server, and the file server didn't go down when the cat got the power cord for the workstation, the problem is limited to files that T'Bird had NFS-open and T'Bird files that were local to the workstation.
Right. My installation is local. I made diff between running and not-running thunderbird. List of files with time stamp change. cert8.db folderTree.json key3.db localstore.rdf panacea.dat prefs.js virtualFolders.dat I just opened TB, received email, let filters run, and closed. There could be more files that could be changed with other actions applied, but you can capture that after performing some actions that you are interested in. List of files that exist only with running thunderbird. lock -> 127.0.0.2:+8749 << probably server_address:pid session.json Also, I see few .sqlite files and that prompted me to look for SQLite cleanup procedure. There is article related to Firefox speedup: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Clean_Firefox_Database I think that actual need would be to have something to fix databases, but that is beyond me :) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Well, too fast on sending :) http://kb.mozillazine.org/Knowledge_Base This gives some information about files and their usage: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Files_and_folders_in_the_profile_-_Thunderbird http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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