Re: [opensuse] Nokia Nseries and gnokii
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Roger Oberholtzer
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 09:34 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
Rather than give Nokia broad complaints about os support, is there specific verbage that would provide standards-based guidance for better os support?
Telephone developers != standards on the PC interface side. I do not think it is something they seem to consider important. All standards activity is on the telecommunications side, where they really have no choice.
On the PC side, it is not exactly rocket science. As a minimum, phones have contact lists. Contacts tend to have some basic common features. Name, address, phone numbers. Yet there are as many ways to get that information as there are telephone models. Of course, the phones can and do make differences where logically there need be no differences. I think the idea is to sort of lock users into a product. If you have all your info in the Nokia or Sony PC software, it is a big deciding factor when looking for a new phone. Is it worth loosing all the contacts with a new company's product?
I would not have a big issue with this if the companies (1) supported more than Windows - and even that support is often crappy, and (2) made quality software, instead of what looks to be a second tier component made with a low budget and little or no usability testing. Ever have to update the software on a Nokia phone? It runs a number of apps sequentially that are each laid out different, so it is unclear that it is all part of the same process, and that have odd redundancies that make you think it has possibly failed the first time and is trying again with a different method. This is a Nokia eXpressMusic accessed on Windows.
On the MAC or Linux there is no access possible. Hard to make more than a broad complaint about that platform.
-- Roger Oberholtzer
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How would you all view it if a phone company stopped worrying about operating systems and synced to google accounts? It would be os neutral, they would lose the lock-in feature (which doesn't really work) but the cost continued development would be minimal. Then people could sync their computers to google. Would this be a good suggestion to the likes of Nokia? Andrew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 10:07 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
How would you all view it if a phone company stopped worrying about operating systems and synced to google accounts? It would be os neutral, they would lose the lock-in feature (which doesn't really work) but the cost continued development would be minimal. Then people could sync their computers to google. Would this be a good suggestion to the likes of Nokia?
In fact I am taking that approach with my Linux/Evolution + Mac/email + iPod/touch setup. This is for contacts and calendars. The main problem is that I do not have internet access enabled on my Nokia phone - it is provided by work. For that device, PC connectivity is needed. But, I think it would be a good direction to take. What is lacking is a phone-based app to make this happen. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Andrew Gould wrote:
How would you all view it if a phone company stopped worrying about operating systems and synced to google accounts?
Why should I have to (a) register with google and (b) have internet access in order to interface to my phone? Better if they simply concentrated on implementing protocols consistently. The USB mass storage interface works fairly well for most data stored on my phone. Cheers, Dave PS Please trim your posts -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 16:43 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
Andrew Gould wrote:
How would you all view it if a phone company stopped worrying about operating systems and synced to google accounts?
Why should I have to (a) register with google and (b) have internet access in order to interface to my phone? Better if they simply concentrated on implementing protocols consistently. The USB mass storage interface works fairly well for most data stored on my phone.
Because the telephone manufacturers did not make the protocol. If they had, each would be different. So this means that one can copy photos and music to the devices. Which is at least something. But I also want the contacts to be managed from my PC. That is where things go south. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 16:43 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
Andrew Gould wrote:
How would you all view it if a phone company stopped worrying about operating systems and synced to google accounts? Why should I have to (a) register with google and (b) have internet access in order to interface to my phone? Better if they simply concentrated on implementing protocols consistently. The USB mass storage interface works fairly well for most data stored on my phone.
Because the telephone manufacturers did not make the protocol. If they had, each would be different. So this means that one can copy photos and music to the devices. Which is at least something. But I also want the contacts to be managed from my PC. That is where things go south.
What is forgotten here is the other player... the phone networks. There is an ongoing tussle between networks and the phone manufacturers about the control of what and who supplies services and facilities (and realises the associated revenue streams).... the google idea is just plain silly...the networks usually supply their own internet related services to certain classes of user (at least in the UK)... A secondary issue is that the networks would prefer the customer paid them to look after the customers personal data, rather than store stuff on their own PC. (Also for many business users centralised data repositories make sense). - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkomPmkACgkQasN0sSnLmgInKgCfQjgGSUcftl+RnJbugxD0/sy7 u+YAn0QGbY7RkKP7Rz4tgmZyw0paM+OF =O5+E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
What is forgotten here is the other player... the phone networks. There is an ongoing tussle between networks and the phone manufacturers about the control of what and who supplies services and facilities (and realises the associated revenue streams)....
Yeah -- my Motorola Q9M is reported to have the WiFi and GPS navigating code in it, but Verizon made them disable them so they can sell their "data plan" at a minimum of $10 a month, and "VZNavigator" at $9.95 a month. Needless to say, I took the first year's payments and bought a Garmin. Much nicer unit, and it's free after the first year :-). John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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