Hello, all... For some reason, I can't even start to install SuSE 8.0 on my system. Currently, I am running Debian 2.2(?). I have a 2x P-233 board. The drives I have are as follows: hda: 20GB Maxtor hdb: 60GB Maxtor hdc: 80GB Western Digital hdd: 24x CD-ROM The problem, apparently, is hdc. Prior to today, I have had a 27GB Maxtor in that slot. In both cases, Debian will access the drive. When trying to install SuSE 8.0, though, the install script hangs at the point of the parition check for hdc. If I reboot and unplug the power from the drive, it will boot fine, just without the 80GB drive (of course). If I replug the power, Debian will reboot. The drive reads at the proper capacity during the install log (79999999 KB), so I don't think it's a BIOS issue. What could have changed in the kernel, and how can I get SuSE installed? Thanks in advance for the help.
Just want to encourage SuSE 8.0 folks out there. This weekend I successfully installed and upgraded two desktops and one laptop -- all new to Linux from Windows! One desktop goes to my office at the college and from there I will begin the evangelization of the M$ pagans (it is a Christian college, thus the religious-speak). I am praying that it will interface with the network there without any serious hassles. Want to make a good first impression! The other desktop I share at home with my wife, we will systematically wean it off Win98se as she gets comfortable with KDE3, StarOffice, etc. The laptop belongs to a neighbor who is studying at the local community college towards his M$ certification ... he took it home and it easily interfaced with his XP and 2000 boxes on his home network ... he is impressed to say the least. Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space? I am thinking of an IBM 600 series 266MHz ... better choice in the under-$500. range to match with SuSE 8? Thanks! doc
On Monday 27 May 2002 11:01 pm, doc wrote:
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
I don't believe that you will be happy with KDE 3.0 performance with a 166 MHz laptop and (only) 64 MB of RAM. My advice would be to choose a lighter weight window manager such as blackbox, icewm, fvwm(2,95), Window Maker, or any of several others which are equally good and lightweight. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org
I feel really stupid asking a question like this here, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why ident isn't responding to requests from, for example, irc networks askin for an ident response. I'm running SuSE 8.0 pro, and I have what seems to be an identical setup at my office. An outside machine, with suse firewall running, but with ident enable, as far as I can tell. I don't think its the firewall anyway, because stopping it seems to have no effect anyway. I've looked at services, and can't see whats wrong, or rather, maybe whats not there. I've searched the website, and google as well. Are the archives of this list searchable? I don't think they are, as I haven't found how to, but if they are, if someone could tell me how, I'd look there first instead of posting here, as I feel the answer to my question is more than likely there. Thanks, Matt
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 22:01, doc wrote:
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
I am thinking of an IBM 600 series 266MHz ... better choice in the under-$500. range to match with SuSE 8?
Hi Doc! -+-+ This is not a flame!!! +-+- Why does everyone keep asking if SuSE 8.0 will run under *old* hardware xyz...?! It's Linux -- plain and simple! It will run on a 486 with 16M of ram and only needs 200M of HD! :) Now, obviously that's not for any type of monster box running every program available... :^D Just please remember to think about what you're really asking. If you're asking whether KDE3 with all the trimmings will run on that box, then say so! If you're just asking whether Linux will run, ditto. If you're asking what's the best setup I can use this hardware for w/ or w/o X interfaces, say that! </rant> --- pardon me getting carried away. :^o To answer your question, I've installed a ton of packages and it only came to about 2G. Remember, the DVD is only 4.4G and half of that is the source! ;) The system won't be incredible powerful in the X world, and any system running X apps of any nature won't be super happy with only 64M ram. (give it a good amount of swap) Probably run Icewm as the X Windows Manager, and I would really trim the networking packages down, not running any services except SSH. The other option you could do is to use it as a THIN-CLIENT to connect to a Terminal Server. I would work really well as a thin client. ;) Travis.
Alle 05:39, martedì 28 maggio 2002, Travis Owens ha scritto:
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 22:01, doc wrote:
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
I am thinking of an IBM 600 series 266MHz ... better choice in the under-$500. range to match with SuSE 8? Why does everyone keep asking if SuSE 8.0 will run under *old* hardware xyz...?!
Because of the IMHO high yast2 hardware requirements. But 64mb are enough for it. I have been successful with a p2 233 and 64mbyte of ram, and kde3 is not really slow. Instead Yast2 IS very slow in that machine (but I think it is hd slowness!). Praise
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 9:55 am, Praise wrote:
Alle 05:39, martedì 28 maggio 2002, Travis Owens ha scritto:
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 22:01, doc wrote:
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
I am thinking of an IBM 600 series 266MHz ... better choice in the under-$500. range to match with SuSE 8?
Why does everyone keep asking if SuSE 8.0 will run under *old* hardware xyz...?!
Because of the IMHO high yast2 hardware requirements. But 64mb are enough for it.
Yast2 GUI? You can use the ncurses UI which I don't think has particularly high hardware requirement. IMHO Travis' argument is still good; KDE may have problems running on older hardware. SuSE is a distro which shouldn't have a problem with older hardware. Regards, Jon
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 03:15:33PM +0100, jonathan.lim@netdecisions.com wrote:
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 9:55 am, Praise wrote:
Alle 05:39, martedì 28 maggio 2002, Travis Owens ha scritto:
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 22:01, doc wrote:
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
Yast2 GUI? You can use the ncurses UI which I don't think has particularly high hardware requirement.
I've just installed 8.0 on a Pentium Pro 180 with 96 MB RAM and 1 GB HD. It runs OK - I've not installed X, so am running YaST2 in text mode only - but I think I've worn out the Tab key... -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England
I have 8.0 installed on a 166 MHz Pentium with 64 MB ram, and it is definitely not satisfactory running KDE, even tho that's what I'm running. It's just too slow. It would be crazy to buy more (expensive) ram for this old machine. I also don't have enough hard drive. (4 GB.) I did the "standard" install of the Pro version, and I don't even have enough disk left to install OO. So, question: I don't know if Gnome is installed, but I don't want it, and I don't know what else I could easily live without, but I would like to install either OO or Hanscom on this drive, so what can I delete, if anybody knows. This machine WILL ultimately be on a 2-computer network, so I dont want to louse that up. Thanx, all. PS: The reason you see so many questions as to whether 8.0 will run on this old hardware, is cause that's what we have! It runs W98 fine, but obviously it would not run W2000 fine, and I'm not awfully surprised that Linux is unhappy on it, altho SuSE 7.1 ran fine. --doug On Monday 27 May 2002 23:39, Travis Owens wrote:
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 22:01, doc wrote:
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
I am thinking of an IBM 600 series 266MHz ... better choice in the under-$500. range to match with SuSE 8?
Hi Doc!
-+-+ This is not a flame!!! +-+-
Why does everyone keep asking if SuSE 8.0 will run under *old* hardware xyz...?!
It's Linux -- plain and simple! It will run on a 486 with 16M of ram and only needs 200M of HD! :)
Now, obviously that's not for any type of monster box running every program available... :^D
Just please remember to think about what you're really asking. If you're asking whether KDE3 with all the trimmings will run on that box, then say so! If you're just asking whether Linux will run, ditto. If you're asking what's the best setup I can use this hardware for w/ or w/o X interfaces, say that!
</rant> --- pardon me getting carried away. :^o
To answer your question, I've installed a ton of packages and it only came to about 2G. Remember, the DVD is only 4.4G and half of that is the source! ;)
The system won't be incredible powerful in the X world, and any system running X apps of any nature won't be super happy with only 64M ram. (give it a good amount of swap)
Probably run Icewm as the X Windows Manager, and I would really trim the networking packages down, not running any services except SSH.
The other option you could do is to use it as a THIN-CLIENT to connect to a Terminal Server. I would work really well as a thin client. ;)
Travis.
On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 07:43:11PM -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have 8.0 installed on a 166 MHz Pentium with 64 MB ram, and it is definitely not satisfactory running KDE, even tho that's what I'm running. It's just too slow. It would be crazy to buy more (expensive) ram for this old machine.
I have a very old machine that is running 8.0 using the icewm. I deleted all the KDE stuff and use the much smaller icewm. However, it boots into runlevel 3 and most of the time I just use the console. However, when I need an X app for something, I fire up ice. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 20:17, Keith Winston wrote:
On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 07:43:11PM -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have 8.0 installed on a 166 MHz Pentium with 64 MB ram, and it is definitely not satisfactory running KDE, even tho that's what I'm running. It's just too slow. It would be crazy to buy more (expensive) ram for this old machine.
I have a very old machine that is running 8.0 using the icewm. I deleted all the KDE stuff and use the much smaller icewm. However, it boots into runlevel 3 and most of the time I just use the console. However, when I need an X app for something, I fire up ice.
Here here! Icewm is the only way to go on an older/slower machine! I wouldn't even touch KDE 3.0+ on anything less than a 300. :) -- Travis. For Laptop issuses, check out: http://www.linux-laptop.net For Wireless LAN issues, check out: http://www.linux-wlan.com Don't forget to document your experiences, tricks, and advice while using Linux. Post it somewhere so we'll all benefit from it. You never know who will be asking the same question next time.
Le Mercredi 29 Mai 2002 01:43, Doug McGarrett a écrit / wrote:
I have 8.0 installed on a 166 MHz Pentium with 64 MB ram, and it is definitely not satisfactory running KDE, even tho that's what I'm running. It's just too slow. It would be crazy to buy more (expensive) ram for this old machine. I also don't have enough hard drive. (4 GB.) I did the "standard" install of the Pro version, and I don't even have enough disk left to install OO. So, question: I don't know if Gnome is installed, but I don't want it, and I don't know what else I could easily live without, but I would like to install either OO or Hanscom on this drive, so what can I delete, if anybody knows. This machine WILL ultimately be on a 2-computer network, so I dont want to louse that up.
You surely have to remove a lot of packages because standard install lets you with a lot of applications and deal mainly with KDE desktop ! If you want to get a clean installed base you can use the 'minimum install with X' option... Francis
Hi Doc et al.... On Tuesday 28 May 2002 05:01, doc wrote:
Just want to encourage SuSE 8.0 folks out there.
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
So far, I've loaded 8.0 on two systems. One is a PI / 75mhz with 64mb of main memory and the other is also a PI / 75mhz with 48mb of memory. Both have 1.1 gmb HDs. The first one has windowmaker on it for X and I did not load X on the second. They both work fine. Blessed be... JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------ BayerWulf Linux System # 129656 The Recycled Beowulf Project Looking for throw-away or obsolete computers and parts to recycle into a Linux super computer
I've loaded 8.0 on AMD 5x86 (486 class) 133Mhz with 64Mb Edo-Ram (I think
you should increase memory to 128Mb for Linux with KDE), VGA 2Mb S3
Trio64V+, and 1.2Gb Hard Disk (You should have 3Gb HardDisk to install all
of them). Suse and KDE 3.0 work fine on this computer. The only problem is
not about the processor and motherboard chipset, because they all detected
correctly.
First Problem: Suse cannot fix the Y2K compliance. Everytime I start the
computer, I always set the year to 2002 from 2099. So please Mr. Suse
Developer, you said that minimal requirement for this distro is i386. I
think every computer from 386 until 486, have the Y2K problem.
Second Problem: Suse cannot detect my soundcard. This is Creative
Soundblaster ISA 16PNP, the most popular soundcard in the world! I've read
the hardware database frow Suse website, they only support for Soundblaster
32, 64, and above.
Third Problem: Suse cannot detect my modem. This is PCI Modem with
Rockwell-Connexant HCF chipset. This is not software modem, since this modem
also support slow machine like 486 system (support 33Mhz FSB). I bought this
modem 1,5 years ago!! I've checked from internet, and found that the driver
for this modem still in beta version. Connexant still develop the driver for
linux.
Hangga,
Newbie in Linux for 1 Month ago
Windows user from 1996
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hatridge"
Hi Doc et al....
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 05:01, doc wrote:
Just want to encourage SuSE 8.0 folks out there.
Question: Will SuSE 8.0 really load and run OK on a 166MHz laptop with 64M RAM and a 3gig HDD? Or do I need at least 266MHz and perhaps more RAM and HDD space?
So far, I've loaded 8.0 on two systems. One is a PI / 75mhz with 64mb of
main
memory and the other is also a PI / 75mhz with 48mb of memory. Both have 1.1 gmb HDs. The first one has windowmaker on it for X and I did not load X on the second. They both work fine.
Blessed be...
JIM
-- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------ BayerWulf Linux System # 129656 The Recycled Beowulf Project Looking for throw-away or obsolete computers and parts to recycle into a Linux super computer
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On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:56:02AM +0700, hangga@hotpop.com wrote:
I've loaded 8.0 on AMD 5x86 (486 class) 133Mhz with 64Mb Edo-Ram (I think you should increase memory to 128Mb for Linux with KDE), VGA 2Mb S3 Trio64V+, and 1.2Gb Hard Disk (You should have 3Gb HardDisk to install all of them). Suse and KDE 3.0 work fine on this computer. The only problem is not about the processor and motherboard chipset, because they all detected correctly.
First Problem: Suse cannot fix the Y2K compliance. Everytime I start the computer, I always set the year to 2002 from 2099. So please Mr. Suse Developer, you said that minimal requirement for this distro is i386. I think every computer from 386 until 486, have the Y2K problem.
This isn't really SuSE's problem - it's your motherboard. You can't really expect SuSE to reprogram your machine's BIOS... However, assuming the machine has a suitable network connection, you can probably get it to sync to a timeserver when it boots, which should hopefully work around the problem.
Second Problem: Suse cannot detect my soundcard. This is Creative Soundblaster ISA 16PNP, the most popular soundcard in the world! I've read the hardware database frow Suse website, they only support for Soundblaster 32, 64, and above.
I'm sure that it should support the SB16. However, ISA PNP stuff is a big minefield, and one in which I have little experience. I would recommend reading the manual for isapnptools, and that might help. If you're still stuck, come back and ask for help.
Third Problem: Suse cannot detect my modem. This is PCI Modem with Rockwell-Connexant HCF chipset. This is not software modem, since this modem also support slow machine like 486 system (support 33Mhz FSB). I bought this modem 1,5 years ago!! I've checked from internet, and found that the driver for this modem still in beta version. Connexant still develop the driver for linux.
Just because the modem is 1.5 years old, doesn't mean it's a hardware one. Winmodems have been around for longer than that. Also the fact that it needs a driver makes me think that it might be a software modem. However, assuming you are correct, and it is a hardware modem... Run dmesg | less, and look for where the kernel detects your serial ports (it should look something like "ttyS0 IO=0x0238, IRQ=4 is a 16550A". Look to see if the serial port for your modem is listed). If it is listed, then start up minicom on that port, and see what happens when you send it "AT". If you get an "OK" in response, then your modem is there. If you don't, then something is going wrong with with either your serial port detection/settings, or the modem itself. HTH... -- David Smith | Tel: +44 (0)1454 462380 Home: +44 (0)1454 616963 STMicroelectronics | Fax: +44 (0)1454 617910 Mobile: +44 (0)7932 642724 1000 Aztec West | TINA: 065 2380 Almondsbury | Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com BRISTOL, BS32 4SQ | Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk
On Thursday 30 May 2002 03:56, you wrote:
I've loaded 8.0 on AMD 5x86 (486 class) 133Mhz with 64Mb Edo-Ram (I think you should increase memory to 128Mb for Linux with KDE),
I think you're right. That would be my first move.
VGA 2Mb S3 Trio64V+, and 1.2Gb Hard Disk (You should have 3Gb HardDisk to install all of them). Suse and KDE 3.0 work fine on this computer. The only problem is not about the processor and motherboard chipset, because they all detected correctly.
Fair enough. But it's going to be slow. Any modern OS with a graphical desktop will be slow with this hardware. If it's not a problem for you, it's not a problem. I would be inclined to try fvwm2 or another lighter-weight way of running your desktop, you'll probably get a lot more speed, although it is not immediately as pretty.
First Problem: Suse cannot fix the Y2K compliance. Everytime I start the computer, I always set the year to 2002 from 2099. So please Mr. Suse Developer, you said that minimal requirement for this distro is i386. I think every computer from 386 until 486, have the Y2K problem.
I'm not sure what your point is here, are you complaining that it's SuSE's fault you've got non-y2k compliant hardware? In any event, I sincerely doubt that SuSE will recommend you run kde 2 or 3 on an i386. Set up ntpd on your machine and get the time from the network. And don't keep turning it off.
Second Problem: Suse cannot detect my soundcard. This is Creative Soundblaster ISA 16PNP, the most popular soundcard in the world! I've read the hardware database frow Suse website, they only support for Soundblaster 32, 64, and above.
It's good to read the hardware database before you specify the machine you intend installing on. It doesn't make much sense to read it post facto when your kit doesn't work. I've got one of those cards in the machine I'm on, and it's working here, though since SuSE 7.3 set it up automatically I can't tell you how. You might want to mess with the pnp settings in the bios, I think I have had better luck with pnp turned off at bios level, but I can't remember. It's easily undone if it doesn't improve matters.
Third Problem: Suse cannot detect my modem. This is PCI Modem with Rockwell-Connexant HCF chipset. This is not software modem, since this modem also support slow machine like 486 system (support 33Mhz FSB). I bought this modem 1,5 years ago!! I've checked from internet, and found that the driver for this modem still in beta version. Connexant still develop the driver for linux.
Buy an external modem that connects to the serial port as God intended. It was part of His Plan for unixworld. Mind you, so was free ice cream and that's still a way off. HTH Fergus
Hangga, Newbie in Linux for 1 Month ago Windows user from 1996
::> Third Problem: Suse cannot detect my modem. This is PCI Modem with ::> Rockwell-Connexant HCF chipset. This is not software modem, since this ::> modem also support slow machine like 486 system (support 33Mhz FSB). I ::> bought this modem 1,5 years ago!! I've checked from internet, and found ::> that the driver for this modem still in beta version. Connexant still ::> develop the driver for linux. HCF modems are Winmodems. The only Winmodems that I've known to work with Linux are Lucent based Winmodems because Lucent wrote a driver to do what there Windrivers do in Windows. I doubt this is going to work very well. I would hit eBay and look for an external 3Com Sportster modem...they ALWAYS work well. If you want further information on these modems try linmodems.org. They have a damn fine db on all these types of things. Cheers! -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--
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