This is known behaviour of kmail. And it is a works as designed according the current main developer of kmail. As with all open source software you're invited to sent a patch to change this behaviour the way you want it. However, as many people already complained and does not seem to be

develop the right patch. Perhaps a petition signed by many people, kindly begging the kmail developers (at kmail@kde,org) may work ....

Op maandag 18 februari 2002 18:56, schreef Jerry Van Brimmer:

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Hi All,

Using KMail 1.3.1 (KDE 2.2.1), SuSE 7.3. I like to read my mail sorted by thread. The annoyance comes in when reading mail in a thread made up of messages that have arrival dates that are later than the dates of the messages below this particular thread. Annoyance = If I delete the top message of the current thread, then the highlight drops down to the next message in the current thread. So far so good. The annoyance is that KMail then resorts the messages based on the new highlighted message. Now

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highlighted message header might be down at the bottom of the header

Well, I'm no programmer, just a user. And this is enough of an annoyance for me not to use it. In the mean time I will continue to use Sylpheed or Netscape/Mozilla. But, I really like using an independent emailer, so I'll wait. On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:21:32 +0100 Richard Bos wrote: trivial to the list.

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This is very annoying, as the highlight jumps up and down the message header list as you delete read messages. Does anybody understand what I mean? Does anyone else share this same annoyance? Is there some way to configure KMail to not do this? I really like KMail except for this annoyance.

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* dep [020218 18:54] typed:

begin Jerry Van Brimmer's quote: | Well, I'm no programmer, just a user. And this is enough of an | annoyance for me not to use it. In the mean time I will continue to | use Sylpheed or Netscape/Mozilla. But, I really like using an | independent emailer, so I'll wait.

question: what format does sylpheed use for its addressbook? kmail has now utterly deprecated the flat, ascii, one-address-per-line addressbook in favor of the bloated vcard thing, and i'm seeking a replacement that does not attempt to be a half-assed evolution or outlook. --

'abook' will do what you want for addresses, email, etc. And it interfaces nicely with MUTT. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org

On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:52:32 -0500 dep wrote: > question: what format does sylpheed use for its addressbook? > kmail has now utterly deprecated the flat, ascii, > one-address-per-line addressbook in favor of the bloated vcard > thing, and i'm seeking a replacement that does not attempt to > be a half-assed evolution or outlook. > -- > dep Late on this one - addressbook.xml is what I have, here is the first entry as seen by vi: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="US-ASCII"?> <addressbook> <item> <name>Lourens</name> <address>l_steenkamp@yahoo.com</address> <remarks></remarks> </item> HTH *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional and AMD Athlon XP1600+ Registered Linux User Lourens Steenkamp R.S.A.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:25:23 -0500 pat <4july65@linuxfreemail.com> wrote:

* Jerry Van Brimmer [020218 18:25] typed:

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Well, I'm no programmer, just a user. And this is enough of an annoyance for me not to use it. In the mean time I will continue to use Sylpheed or Netscape/Mozilla. But, I really like using an independent emailer, so I'll wait.

You need to take a look at mutt. It is PURE.

I did, once. But the learning curve turned me off. Is there a quick-and-dirty tutorial somewhere that can et me going with it quickly?

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* pat (4july65@linuxfreemail.com) [020218 19:57]: ->* Jerry Van Brimmer [020218 20:43] typed: ->> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:25:23 -0500 ->> pat <4july65@linuxfreemail.com> wrote: ->> ->> > * Jerry Van Brimmer [020218 18:25] typed: ->> > > Well, I'm no programmer, just a user. And this is enough of an ->> annoyance ->> > > for me not to use it. In the mean time I will continue to use Sylpheed ->> or ->> > > Netscape/Mozilla. But, I really like using an independent emailer, so ->> I'll ->> > > wait. ->> > > ->> > ->> > You need to take a look at mutt. It is PURE. ->> ->> I did, once. But the learning curve turned me off. Is there a ->> quick-and-dirty tutorial somewhere that can et me going with it quickly? ->> -> ->www.mutt.org Yes, you should check out the mutt website. It has tons of examples of .muttrc's and you can just grab one..use it for a bit and as you read the docs and other stuff..tweak it to your liking. Once you've done this..should be all good. Ever since I changed to Mutt sometime ago..I just don't care for other email clients. :) -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:50:02 +0100 Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:

Jerry Van Brimmer wrote:

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Using KMail 1.3.1 (KDE 2.2.1), SuSE 7.3. I like to read my mail sorted by thread. The annoyance comes in when reading mail in a thread made up of messages that have arrival dates that are later than the dates of the messages below this particular thread. Annoyance = If I delete the top message of the current thread, then the highlight drops down to the next message in the current thread. So far so good. The annoyance is that KMail then resorts the messages based on the new highlighted message. Now the highlighted message header might be down at the bottom of the header list. This is very annoying, as the highlight jumps up and down the message header list as you delete read messages. Does anybody understand what I mean? Does anyone else share this same annoyance? Is there some way to configure KMail to not do this? I really like KMail except for this annoyance.

I would say: until this is fixed in a future release, uncheck Folder-->Thread messages and click Subject (above the subjects), so the messages are sorted by subject in alphabetical order. There you have your threads back, but this time without quirks!

Yea, but then the dates are all jumbled up!

A nice feature of kmail is that the leading "Re:" is not taken into account when sorting the subjects alphabetically, so the original posts are not separated from the replies.

FWIW, I have KMail 1.2 running on Blackbox.

SH

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