RE: [SLE] Radeon 8500
-----Original Message----- From: Donald Grayson [mailto:dgrayson@sportpaint.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:42 AM To: Ben Rosenberg Subject: RE: [SLE] Radeon 8500
-----Original Message----- From: Ben Rosenberg [mailto:ben@whack.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:33 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Radeon 8500
* jpearson3 (jpearson3@wanadoo.fr) [021113 15:22]: ->To all SuSE gurus, -> ->I just picked up a Radeon 8500 (evil master II Pro by power color) and ->SuSE8.1 installed it as R200QL. -> ->I don't have the slightest idea on how to compile X11Config "by hand" would ->some be so kind as to give me a few pointers to get be started. ->For example ->What is the X11Config source_file called ? ->What are required librairies? -> ->What is the basic procedure ? ->I imagine that it must be something like ... ->tar xvf source_file ->./configure ->make
I'd save yourself a ton of trouble by getting the drivers for this card from ati's website. These drivers are the only drivers that work with the 8500 series. I've not tried them because I've got the 7500 series, but I've heard they work fine. I don't believe XFree86 has very good support if it supports this card at all.
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You are mistaken sir. The Radeon is well supported in current versions of XFree86. I myself am running an 8500 with dual monitors and have since SuSE 7.2 without using ATI's drivers, which were made for the Radeon FireGL's and just happen to work with the 8500's as a happy coincidence. Don
On Thursday 14 November 2002 13:42, Donald Grayson wrote:
You are mistaken sir. The Radeon is well supported in current versions of XFree86. I myself am running an 8500 with dual monitors and have since SuSE 7.2 without using ATI's drivers, which were made for the Radeon FireGL's and just happen to work with the 8500's as a happy coincidence.
Meanwhile, only the tungsten drivers will give you 3d hardware acceleration
On Thursday 14 November 2002 04:44, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 14 November 2002 13:42, Donald Grayson wrote:
You are mistaken sir. The Radeon is well supported in current versions of XFree86. I myself am running an 8500 with dual monitors and have since SuSE 7.2 without using ATI's drivers, which were made for the Radeon FireGL's and just happen to work with the 8500's as a happy coincidence.
Meanwhile, only the tungsten drivers will give you 3d hardware acceleration
Please excuse the slight hi-jacking, but from what I understand, the 9000 uses an R250 chip [internal designation] while the 8500 uses an R200. This is the only one that "seems similar" as the Radeon 9700 uses an R300 while the 7000/7500 (and earlier?) boards use an R100. So, with that as background information, I'm curious: is the R250 "backward compatible" with the R200? Meaning (ultimately) would drivers for an R200 work "well enough" for an R250 based video card [provided the driver doesn't do something lame like checking the GPU and decide "anything not an R200 is incompatible, so I won't run..."] I've asked this question of ATI, and got (basically) a canned response ("check the website" -- I did, my question wasn't answered there, that's why I'm asking "a real person" you ninny) so for the moment I'll presume ATI is not working on that basis as their "official" 8500 driver did indeed refuse to recognize the 9000 card as "compatible". Would it be possible to "hack" the driver to think that an R250 is an R200 [meaning that while I most likely won't get "full use" of all the extra features packed into the R250 vs. the R200, I'll at least get decent 3D without paying for a "commercial" driver that cost more than the card did in the first place (Xi's driver)] Any other suggestions or solutions? [or is this a "just sit and wait" situation as the 9000/9700 card is "too new" and drivers are "in the works"] Tom
-----Original Message----- From: Tom Emerson [mailto:osnut@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:38 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Radeon 9000 (was 8500)
On Thursday 14 November 2002 04:44, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 14 November 2002 13:42, Donald Grayson wrote:
You are mistaken sir. The Radeon is well supported in current versions of XFree86. I myself am running an 8500 with dual monitors and have since SuSE 7.2 without using ATI's drivers, which were made for the Radeon FireGL's and just happen to work with the 8500's as a happy coincidence.
Meanwhile, only the tungsten drivers will give you 3d hardware acceleration
Please excuse the slight hi-jacking, but from what I understand, the 9000 uses an R250 chip [internal designation] while the 8500 uses an R200. This is the only one that "seems similar" as the Radeon 9700 uses an R300 while the 7000/7500 (and earlier?) boards use an R100. So, with that as background information, I'm curious: is the R250 "backward compatible" with the R200? Meaning (ultimately) would drivers for an R200 work "well enough" for an R250 based video card [provided the driver doesn't do something lame like checking the GPU and decide "anything not an R200 is incompatible, so I won't run..."]
I've asked this question of ATI, and got (basically) a canned response ("check the website" -- I did, my question wasn't answered there, that's why I'm asking "a real person" you ninny) so for the moment I'll presume ATI is not working on that basis as their "official" 8500 driver did indeed refuse to recognize the 9000 card as "compatible". Would it be possible to "hack" the driver to think that an R250 is an R200 [meaning that while I most likely won't get "full use" of all the extra features packed into the R250 vs. the R200, I'll at least get decent 3D without paying for a "commercial" driver that cost more than the card did in the first place (Xi's driver)]
Any other suggestions or solutions? [or is this a "just sit and wait" situation as the 9000/9700 card is "too new" and drivers are "in the works"]
Tom
The Radeon 9xxx's have a different binary architecture than the 8xxx's, so no, the current Linux ati drivers will not work with it. On the brighter side, the 9xxx series is supposed to be the start of binary compatability for ATI so that like nVidia all new drivers will work with the 9xxx's and future cards. I'm not sure of the exact situation with X86 drivers for the 9xxx series since it was built ground up to be a DirectX9 card with advanced features that probably won't be useful on Linux until OpenGL2.0 is released, and that's still a few years out. You might want to look at a commercial X and see if they have plans for 9xxx drivers. Try www.xig.com Don
On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:23, Donald Grayson wrote:
I'm not sure of the exact situation with X86 drivers for the 9xxx series [...] You might want to look at a commercial X and see if they have plans for 9xxx drivers. Try www.xig.com
I did -- Xi's driver was more expensive than the card itself -- since I'm "on a budget" [translation: out of work...] getting the 9000 card itself was as far as I could push things Of coure, "silly me" -- I had "justified" purchasing the 9000 as "it's only going into my windows game-playing machine, so linux compatability isn't a big issue", and sure enough, not one month later I installed SuSE 8.1. Had I seriously thought I was going to use Linux on this computer, I would have opted for an 8500 because I *knew* ATI had 3D drivers for it.
-----Original Message----- From: Tom Emerson [mailto:osnut@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:44 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Radeon 9000 (was 8500)
On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:23, Donald Grayson wrote:
I'm not sure of the exact situation with X86 drivers for the 9xxx series [...] You might want to look at a commercial X and see if they have plans for 9xxx drivers. Try www.xig.com
I did -- Xi's driver was more expensive than the card itself -- since I'm "on a budget" [translation: out of work...] getting the 9000 card itself was as far as I could push things
Of coure, "silly me" -- I had "justified" purchasing the 9000 as "it's only going into my windows game-playing machine, so linux compatability isn't a big issue", and sure enough, not one month later I installed SuSE 8.1. Had I seriously thought I was going to use Linux on this computer, I would have opted for an 8500 because I *knew* ATI had 3D drivers for it.
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If you don't need 3D you can always run it with the framebuffer driver until it's better supported. Don
If you don't need 3D you can always run it with the framebuffer driver until it's better supported.
Don
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On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:53, Donald Grayson wrote:
If you don't need 3D you can always run it with the framebuffer driver until it's better supported.
where I originally wrote
Had I seriously thought I was going to use Linux on this computer, I would have opted for an 8500 because I *knew* ATI had 3D drivers for it.
which kind of implies that yes, 3D is what I'm looking for. I'm not about to pay another $125 "just to play tuxracer" (or any of the other 3d titles I have for linux, like Rune, Unreal, etc.) so the Xi "solution" is currently not on the horizon. Fortunately, I can switch to other computers (or OS's) to get my "gaming fix", so for now the standard "radeon" driver supplied w/8.1 will have to do. [and yes, it works just fine, just no 3D support]
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Anders Johansson
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Donald Grayson
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Tom Emerson