Hi Gang... I just converted a very good friend from M$ to SuSE 10.3 (I won't inflict a beta on her just yet <grin>) and so far she is really happy. She is a life-long M$ user but she is tired of me nagging her about Linux <big-grin>. I set her up with Thunderbird to replace her PMMail package she had been using for years and she sees the possibilities of using it do do the job as it has much the same look and feel and features. The main problem that I haven't been able to solve for her is that she runs a small specialty club with about a couple of thousand current or former members that receive a mailing list from her periodically. Of course, TB can do this quite nicely, BUT, I can't figure out how to export her contacts and message base from PMMail to Thunderbird. She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB. So, the question is, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to best proceed? What I have done so far so her club mail list doesn't have to shut down is to set up VirtualBox and load WinXP into it and imported PMMail into that virtual machine which then runs PMMail under a virtual machine under Linux. This allows her to do her mailings from PMMail within XP on the Linux machine BUT I want an integrated solution so she doesn't have to remember where she did what. Eventually I want to extract the information out of her mailer and put it into OpenOffice Base where she can really use the database functions to manipulate the information the way it should be handled. Mailers may facilitate collections, but they aren't DataBase engines. Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks in advance to all.... Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 08:16 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB.
The mail is easy: create a local imap server, and export all old mail to it from the virtual machine. Then import all that mail it TB, or just leave it there. The addresses... dunno.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.
Hum! Hylafax can record in the log the caller ID, but it is not clean: it records many thing more. However, the info can be extracted from there. I played a bit with that some time ago, I suppose I can dig out the info again. If she wants to use the fax too, then it wouldn't be much of a problem to do it this way. I don't know if there is a simple app that simply logs the caller ID, which is what you really need. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIFJYtTMYHG2NR9URAgQOAJ99Ih1941RaLqUmT4HsZLK0mHcypgCfR8sl xNWGBc6+iG+ZixbKmZUgBmA= =qRgc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 08:16 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB.
The mail is easy: create a local imap server, and export all old mail to it from the virtual machine. Then import all that mail it TB, or just leave it there. The addresses... dunno.
My problem is that I have not been able to find a way to make PM mail EXPORT anything. It has an import function from Outlook but no export function I can find. I have found that KMail can read the raw messages but NONE of the organization (folders, subfolders, etc) and only 1 message at a time as each message is a separate file and all of the messages and folders and sub folders are separate directories in PM Mail. The contacts list, which is is as, or more important than the messages themselves (thousands) are in yet another directory (which I discovered by accident called TOOLS <go figure>) and in multiple files within that directory with an extention of *.db and *.act and *.add and a few others. It looks like some kind of database. The messages are all files with wierd file names with random alpha-numeric combos that seem to be related to the pointers that I see when I look at the raw data inside of some of the 'tools' files. So, while it looks like I could import the messages as *.MSG type of data, I would totally lose years of organizational imformation about who sent it and when which is in the contacts list which appears to decipher the message file names and assocates the messages with a person.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.
Hum!
Hylafax can record in the log the caller ID, but it is not clean: it records many thing more. However, the info can be extracted from there. I played a bit with that some time ago, I suppose I can dig out the info again. If she wants to use the fax too, then it wouldn't be much of a problem to do it this way.
I don't know if there is a simple app that simply logs the caller ID, which is what you really need.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Does Hylafax use a modem interface of some kind? If so, I am familiar with the concept but it has been a long time since I have used a modem with Linux and am not sure which modems are on the market that would have compatibility with the software you are suggesting.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 09:10 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
The mail is easy: create a local imap server, and export all old mail to it from the virtual machine. Then import all that mail it TB, or just leave it there. The addresses... dunno.
My problem is that I have not been able to find a way to make PM mail EXPORT anything. It has an import function from Outlook but no export function I can find.
It's not really exporting, is moving or copying mail from a folder to another folder - the trick is that the destination folder is an imap folder, and thus, can be read by many programs. This is the best trick for "exporting" mail if there is no "export" feature, provided the mail client can use imap folders, of course: not all can. It doesn't handle addresbooks, unfortunately.
I have found that KMail can read the raw messages but NONE of the organization (folders, subfolders, etc) and only 1 message at a time as each message is a separate file and all of the messages and folders and sub folders are separate directories in PM Mail.
The procedure I said will maintain the structure, but you have to create the folders first, and copy a single folder at a time - provided the mail client can copy hundreds of mails in one op, of course.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.
Hum!
Hylafax can record in the log the caller ID, but it is not clean: it records many thing more. However, the info can be extracted from there. I played a bit with that some time ago, I suppose I can dig out the info again. If she wants to use the fax too, then it wouldn't be much of a problem to do it this way.
I don't know if there is a simple app that simply logs the caller ID, which is what you really need.
Does Hylafax use a modem interface of some kind? If so, I am familiar with the concept but it has been a long time since I have used a modem with Linux and am not sure which modems are on the market that would have compatibility with the software you are suggesting.
A modem interface? I don't follow. Hylafax is a daemon, with some utilities and script, and third party clients (even for windows). It is a fax server software and very good at that, but a "trifle" complex. In any case, yes, you need a modem, of course, one with caller ID capability. Hylafax supports many modem, but the best type are external via classic serial port, with usb types as a second possibility; not all work, I'm afraid. You might have to do some testing. Using it for just the caller id is certainly an overkill, short of killing flies with an elephant riffle. But I did it once, because I use the fax anyway.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Welcome! But I see some else has mentioned another simpler possibility. If that turns out I'd like to hear of the outcome. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIGxftTMYHG2NR9URAl/nAJwNpgy7yRHrPdzkyJgGBnrf9pzhYgCgkIh+ euh56G5YU6ZD0KsQuTatmuo= =J77D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Richard Creighton wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 08:16 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB.
The mail is easy: create a local imap server, and export all old mail to it from the virtual machine. Then import all that mail it TB, or just leave it there. The addresses... dunno.
My problem is that I have not been able to find a way to make PM mail EXPORT anything. It has an import function from Outlook but no export function I can find. I have found that KMail can read the raw messages but NONE of the organization (folders, subfolders, etc) and only 1 message at a time as each message is a separate file and all of the messages and folders and sub folders are separate directories in PM Mail.
Which means a directory can be converted to mbox format by just doing cat * > ../mbox.whatever
The contacts list, which is is as, or more important than the messages themselves (thousands) are in yet another directory (which I discovered by accident called TOOLS <go figure>) and in multiple files within that directory with an extention of *.db and *.act and *.add and a few others. It looks like some kind of database. The messages are all files with wierd file names with random alpha-numeric combos that seem to be related to the pointers that I see when I look at the raw data inside of some of the 'tools' files.
Learn how to use grep, sed and awk, and/or learn perl.
So, while it looks like I could import the messages as *.MSG type of data, I would totally lose years of organizational imformation about who sent it and when which is in the contacts list which appears to decipher the message file names and assocates the messages with a person.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.
Hum!
Hylafax can record in the log the caller ID, but it is not clean: it records many thing more. However, the info can be extracted from there. I played a bit with that some time ago, I suppose I can dig out the info again. If she wants to use the fax too, then it wouldn't be much of a problem to do it this way.
I don't know if there is a simple app that simply logs the caller ID, which is what you really need.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Does Hylafax use a modem interface of some kind?
Of course! You think it's gonna twiddle the output lines of a parallel port to simulate a fax modem?
If so, I am familiar with the concept but it has been a long time since I have used a modem with Linux and am not sure which modems are on the market that would have compatibility with the software you are suggesting.
Any modern external Fax/Voice modem should work.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Richard
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The mail is easy: create a local imap server, and export all old mail to it from the virtual machine. Then import all that mail it TB, or just leave it there. The addresses... dunno. This is great news. You just gave me an idea how to solve the problem of getting my father off AOL. I have him setup with Thunderbird and with a little work I got his AOL address list exported and manually converted. With some googling I found there were commercially available tools to export AOL data but only one free address list converter that I could find. That free tool didn't help because it relied on a save feature
Carlos E. R. wrote: that was removed from AOL (no doubt AOL removed it to make it harder to leave). We both thought it was silly to buy a tool that is used only one time so I hadn't figured out a way to get his old AOL mail into Thunderbird. Using your IMAP method, I might be able to get his AOL mail into Thunderbird. The instructions for getting Thunderbird setup with AOL say to select IMAP for the server type. If I understand correctly, I just use his old AOL client to drag locally stored messages back to the inbox which is on the AOL IMAP server. Then I just go to Thunderbird and retrieve the messages from the AOL IMAP server. I will try this tonight if I have the chance. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Richard Creighton wrote: t her contacts and message base from PMMail to
Thunderbird. She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB. So, the question is, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to best proceed? What I have done so far so her club mail list doesn't have to shut down is to set up VirtualBox and load WinXP into it and imported PMMail into that virtual machine which then runs PMMail under a virtual machine under Linux. This allows her to do her mailings from PMMail within XP on the Linux machine BUT I want an integrated solution so she doesn't have to remember where she did what. Eventually I want to extract the information out of her mailer and put it into OpenOffice Base where she can really use the database functions to manipulate the information the way it should be handled. Mailers may facilitate collections, but they aren't DataBase engines.
What formats can PMMail use for exporting contacts? Thunderbird can import a few different formats.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks in advance to all....
What's she using on Windows? Is there hardware on the computer that can read caller ID? -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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What formats can PMMail use for exporting contacts? Thunderbird can import a few different formats.
As far as I know, It can't export anything, only import....that is the problem. However, Carlos and Charles have pointed to a couple of places I am following up on that used PERL scripts on OS/2 that might work to extract the info. This will take a while but it is a start. I was hoping someone knew of something already written that could convert PMMail into something that could then be converted to TBird. PMMail is actually a fine product and IF I were a Windoze user, I certainly would consider using it over anything M$ makes.
What's she using on Windows? Is there hardware on the computer that can read caller ID?
As I said in my original post, she isn't, she does it all MANUALLY. I would assume that there are still modems made that can read the caller ID, but I haven't used a modem in so long, I am no longer familiar with what is now available or their features. She uses the caller ID list ON HER PHONE and reads the list and TYPES the info into a text document on her computer. I want to automate that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 15:06:10 Richard Creighton wrote:
As I said in my original post, she isn't, she does it all MANUALLY. I would assume that there are still modems made that can read the caller ID, but I haven't used a modem in so long, I am no longer familiar with what is now available or their features. She uses the caller ID list ON HER PHONE and reads the list and TYPES the info into a text document on her computer. I want to automate that.
This can be done with mgetty and is relatively simple. How the call is handled; auto answer, recorded message, logging etc... can be also be setup. Its a long time since I set it up, but it worked a treat and I have some notes somewhere if you are interested. HTH Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mail Lists wrote:
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 15:06:10 Richard Creighton wrote:
As I said in my original post, she isn't, she does it all MANUALLY. I would assume that there are still modems made that can read the caller ID, but I haven't used a modem in so long, I am no longer familiar with what is now available or their features. She uses the caller ID list ON HER PHONE and reads the list and TYPES the info into a text document on her computer. I want to automate that.
This can be done with mgetty and is relatively simple. How the call is handled; auto answer, recorded message, logging etc... can be also be setup. Its a long time since I set it up, but it worked a treat and I have some notes somewhere if you are interested. HTH Al
Thank you.... at the moment, all options are open and I'm interested in all solutions. She has NO modem currently as she uses road-runner to connect to the internet and has never used a modem. So, while she has a phone that displays caller ID and logs it to its' memory, the phone won't output it. I would assume plugging in a modem or fax or other device could capture and send it to a USB or serial port where appropriate software could capture it to a file or SQL or somewhere. All ideas are welcome at this point, especially systems which include hardware/softare combos. If it adds other features like FAX, that would be a bonus, but the bottom line is that it be able to capture CALLER-ID in a form that I could import into a database program like SQL or OpenOffice's Base or MySQL or whatever. Any other features would be gravy. Way back when, I was one of the developers of QuickBBS, along with Steve Gabrilowitz after we got the base code from the original author after he discovered 'girls' :) so I/we predate the internet, but I had a stroke and my mental abilities are a fraction of what they used to be. One thing I learned though, Stay away from M$ like the plague and there is little or nothing the Linux community can't do when it tries. I am still recovering and am a bit slow at times and there is a big gap in what I knew and what I should know about this stuff, but I know enough to ask questions of you guys. My friend knows less about Linux than I do. She was Windoze-centric but gave in to my nagging <grin> and when she saw how a brain-dead ex college professor could make Linux do real work, she took the plunge. PM Mail conversion has been a real booger for me (temporarily running it in a virtual machine until I can capture her thousands of contacts and tens of thousands of messages with 'tidbits' of information) and import it into Thunderbird and eventually a database program like MySQL or Base or some such. But the MANUAL effort she puts in for CALLER ID I know can be handled electrically because I used to do it, but that was years ago under Windows on a US Robotics modem. I rather doubt it would work the same in Linux. Thus, ALL options are open and if you have a solution involving mgetty or other utility and a suggestion regarding a fax modem, I'm all ears .... er... eyes :) Thanks to all. Richard Creighton (formerly of QuickBBS) now retired and a Linux freak -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Replace the phone system with an Asterisk phone system. Then "simply" each call can be recorded in an SQL database or a CSV file. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Richard Creighton <ricreig@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gang...
I just converted a very good friend from M$ to SuSE 10.3 (I won't inflict a beta on her just yet <grin>) and so far she is really happy. She is a life-long M$ user but she is tired of me nagging her about Linux <big-grin>. I set her up with Thunderbird to replace her PMMail package she had been using for years and she sees the possibilities of using it do do the job as it has much the same look and feel and features. The main problem that I haven't been able to solve for her is that she runs a small specialty club with about a couple of thousand current or former members that receive a mailing list from her periodically. Of course, TB can do this quite nicely, BUT, I can't figure out how to export her contacts and message base from PMMail to Thunderbird. She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB. So, the question is, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to best proceed? What I have done so far so her club mail list doesn't have to shut down is to set up VirtualBox and load WinXP into it and imported PMMail into that virtual machine which then runs PMMail under a virtual machine under Linux. This allows her to do her mailings from PMMail within XP on the Linux machine BUT I want an integrated solution so she doesn't have to remember where she did what. Eventually I want to extract the information out of her mailer and put it into OpenOffice Base where she can really use the database functions to manipulate the information the way it should be handled. Mailers may facilitate collections, but they aren't DataBase engines.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't find it for SuSE. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks in advance to all....
Richard
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Richard Creighton wrote:
Hi Gang...
I just converted a very good friend from M$ to SuSE 10.3 (I won't inflict a beta on her just yet <grin>) and so far she is really happy. She is a life-long M$ user but she is tired of me nagging her about Linux <big-grin>. I set her up with Thunderbird to replace her PMMail package she had been using for years and she sees the possibilities of using it do do the job as it has much the same look and feel and features. The main problem that I haven't been able to solve for her is that she runs a small specialty club with about a couple of thousand current or former members that receive a mailing list from her periodically. Of course, TB can do this quite nicely, BUT, I can't figure out how to export her contacts and message base from PMMail to Thunderbird.
That's the not the job of a mail client. Install majordomo.
She is like me and old computer parts. She doesn't throw *anything* away :) Seriously, she compiles a good percentage of the messages she receives and extracts the information and organizes it by year and puts it into folders. PMMail makes this pretty easy for her and so will Thunderbird and with the additional features like the Calendar and task manager add-ons in TB, it is a dream come true for her. BUT, there is the problem of saving all of that data from PM and getting it into TB.
What does it matter? Those are WINDOWS error messages for PMMail. They don't need to be organized if she's not using that environment. That's like asking how to organize the collection of 1890's spark tubes and 1910 Magneto ignition part under the hood of your new car.
So, the question is, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to best proceed?
Put it in a directory and forget it.
What I have done so far so her club mail list doesn't have to shut down is to set up VirtualBox and load WinXP into it and imported PMMail into that virtual machine which then runs PMMail under a virtual machine under Linux. This allows her to do her mailings from PMMail within XP on the Linux machine BUT I want an integrated solution so she doesn't have to remember where she did what. Eventually I want to extract the information out of her mailer and put it into OpenOffice Base where she can really use the database functions to manipulate the information the way it should be handled. Mailers may facilitate collections, but they aren't DataBase engines.
Now, what does this have to do with CALLER ID you ask :) ... that is my other problem....every time anyone calls, she MANUALLY records the name and number and time in her computer by hand by transcribing from her phone caller-id log. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!!!!! I just can't
Yeah, it's called a good modem with telephony software.
find it for SuSE.
in Yast-> Software Management, Look under Package Groups .. "telephony"
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, so a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks in advance to all....
Richard
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