[opensuse] domain and email forwarding
I have a domain that I use to forward email. So I'm subscribed to this list as dave@howorth.org.uk and it is forwarded to my real ISP. The company that provides this service has decided to try to get extra money for the same service so I'm looking for somewhere else. They also host the DNS for that domain and a few others and provide web forwarding as well, though I don't use that in earnest. Can anybody recommend any company in the UK or Europe that provides these services, speak English and are trustworthy? Or how much of this could I do for myself? Are there any good howtos? Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> [08-07-07 20:09]:
Or how much of this could I do for myself? Are there any good howtos?
All of it. Get a static ip or subscribe to a service at dydns.com or no-ip.com and setup your own mail to your own computer. or get a gmail account and only use it for list mail. There is also hotmail/yahoo/etc.... and free email accounts, swissinfo.org/mail-anywhere.com...... and probably several other ways I haven't considered. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> [08-07-07 20:09]:
Or how much of this could I do for myself? Are there any good howtos?
All of it. Get a static ip or subscribe to a service at dydns.com or no-ip.com and setup your own mail to your own computer.
Thanks for the reply, Patrick. It's good to have my suspicion confirmed. But I don't know how to do that, which is why I asked about howtos?
or get a gmail account and only use it for list mail. There is also hotmail/yahoo/etc....
and free email accounts, swissinfo.org/mail-anywhere.com......
and probably several other ways I haven't considered.
I'm not interested just in list mail, nor in free email accounts. I just want to understand how to operate email for my own domains. I'd prefer to use a trustworthy service provider, but I'll implement myself if I can't find one or if the service is too expensive. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> [08-07-07 20:09]:
Or how much of this could I do for myself? Are there any good howtos?
All of it. Get a static ip or subscribe to a service at dydns.com or no-ip.com and setup your own mail to your own computer.
But please note -- if you have a dynamic IP address, many many recipients will block email that is sent from there. It is a valid precaution against spam, nowadays. Therefore you probably need an ISP that allows to send outbound email with arbitrary sender address. (Not all of them do without payment.) Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> [08-07-07 20:09]:
Or how much of this could I do for myself? Are there any good howtos?
All of it. Get a static ip or subscribe to a service at dydns.com or no-ip.com and setup your own mail to your own computer.
But please note -- if you have a dynamic IP address, many many recipients will block email that is sent from there. It is a valid precaution against spam, nowadays.
Therefore you probably need an ISP that allows to send outbound email with arbitrary sender address. (Not all of them do without payment.)
I'm using my domain as a mail forwarding service, much as you use acm.org - in fact I used to use an acm.org address. Using my own domain gives me as many email addresses as I want. My ISP allows me to send mail with a From stating my own domain, which is good enough for me. The route shows that the message comes from one of my ISP's IP addresses, of course. I'm only concerned about getting inbound mail to my domain forwarded to my ISP's system, or directly to my system. Does anybody know of any good companies that provide this service? Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> [08-08-07 09:52]:
My ISP allows me to send mail with a From stating my own domain, which is good enough for me. The route shows that the message comes from one of my ISP's IP addresses, of course. I'm only concerned about getting inbound mail to my domain forwarded to my ISP's system, or directly to my system.
Does anybody know of any good companies that provide this service?
www.no-ip.com will do this for pay. I don't recall the amount, but I believe its ~us$49/year I looked: http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_mail/ POP3 Mail Outsource Your Mail Server Administration! No-IP's POP3 Mail takes the headache out of having mail accounts. If you don't want the hassle of running your own server, No-IP can become your default mail exchanger. Incoming mail can then be read with a standard Internet mail reader such as Outlook Express, Netscape Mail or Eudora. You can also use No-IP's webmail service, in which case you need no mail client at all, just a browser. ISPs often provide email accounts, but your address is under their domain, not yours. And most don't offer UNLIMITED accounts, a "catchall" account, extensive anti-spam options, or virus protection either. Finally, unlike some lo-budget email services, No-IP does NOT attach advertising to your mail. Price: $49.95 per year for UNLIMITED accounts and 20MB of storage | More Info $20.00 per year for additional storage in blocks of 20MB I do my own and relay thru my isp for us$000.00 additional cost beyond my regular subscription for 10mb cable, us$40/mo. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> [08-08-07 09:52]:
My ISP allows me to send mail with a From stating my own domain, which is good enough for me. The route shows that the message comes from one of my ISP's IP addresses, of course. I'm only concerned about getting inbound mail to my domain forwarded to my ISP's system, or directly to my system.
Does anybody know of any good companies that provide this service?
www.no-ip.com will do this for pay. I don't recall the amount, but I believe its ~us$49/year
I looked: http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_mail/
POP3 Mail
This is a good link, thanks Patrick. Their Mail Forwarding seems like the kind of service I want but $74.95 for 'unlimited' seems expensive.
I do my own and relay thru my isp for us$000.00 additional cost beyond my regular subscription for 10mb cable, us$40/mo.
I'd consider this but I don't want to have to become an expert in mail servers etc in order to set it up and maintain it securely. Are there any instructions or pre-packaged setups? Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Google also provides email services for you@yourdomain.com http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/admins/editions_spe.html The standard edition is FREE. Razi On 8/8/07, Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> [08-08-07 09:52]:
My ISP allows me to send mail with a From stating my own domain, which is good enough for me. The route shows that the message comes from one of my ISP's IP addresses, of course. I'm only concerned about getting inbound mail to my domain forwarded to my ISP's system, or directly to my system.
Does anybody know of any good companies that provide this service?
www.no-ip.com will do this for pay. I don't recall the amount, but I believe its ~us$49/year
I looked: http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_mail/
POP3 Mail
This is a good link, thanks Patrick. Their Mail Forwarding seems like the kind of service I want but $74.95 for 'unlimited' seems expensive.
I do my own and relay thru my isp for us$000.00 additional cost beyond my regular subscription for 10mb cable, us$40/mo.
I'd consider this but I don't want to have to become an expert in mail servers etc in order to set it up and maintain it securely. Are there any instructions or pre-packaged setups?
Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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* Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> [08-08-07 11:34]:
I'd consider this but I don't want to have to become an expert in mail servers etc in order to set it up and maintain it securely. Are there any instructions or pre-packaged setups?
you have your own ip? the google suggestion by Razi Khaja appears the easiest for what you want to do. You would not have to relay mail thru your isp that way. And there is *no* cost for the 2gb account, and you don't have to know how to do anything except fill_in_the_blanks(tm!). -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I just started using the google service for my own domain. Its very easy to setup and the standard edition is free so its worth a try. After trying it, if you dont like it you can always cancel the service. The good thing about the google service is that you can be pretty sure that your mail server wont go down (since you wont be admin'ing it, google will) and you wont have to become an "expert in mail servers". Razi On 8/8/07, Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com> wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> [08-08-07 11:34]:
I'd consider this but I don't want to have to become an expert in mail servers etc in order to set it up and maintain it securely. Are there any instructions or pre-packaged setups?
you have your own ip?
the google suggestion by Razi Khaja appears the easiest for what you want to do. You would not have to relay mail thru your isp that way. And there is *no* cost for the 2gb account, and you don't have to know how to do anything except fill_in_the_blanks(tm!).
-- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 8/8/07, Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com> wrote:
* Dave Howorth <dhoworth@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> [08-08-07 11:34]:
I'd consider this but I don't want to have to become an expert in mail servers etc in order to set it up and maintain it securely. Are there any instructions or pre-packaged setups?
you have your own ip?
At present I have dynamic IP but I can request static IP from my ISP.
the google suggestion by Razi Khaja appears the easiest for what you want to do. You would not have to relay mail thru your isp that way. And there is *no* cost for the 2gb account, and you don't have to know how to do anything except fill_in_the_blanks(tm!).
This sounds like the level of hassle I'm looking for! On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 21:25 +0200, Sandy Drobic wrote:
Just to clear up some probable misunderstanding: do you mean that your server receives the mail and then sends it onwards to your ISP? THAT is forwarding. If you mean that you have a domain which is hosted by your ISP and the mailserver of your ISP is the MX for that domain, that is NOT forwarding.
I don't have a server. Company A hosting my domains receives the mail and forwards it to my ISP (company B) and I pick it up from there with POP3.
If you want to set up your own server the basic setup for Postfix/Cyrus is relatively simple.
I still see a lot of traffic on this list from people with problems! They're ably helped by you and others but it still looks like more hassle than I'd like :( On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 19:13 -0400, Razi Khaja wrote:
I just started using the google service for my own domain. Its very easy to setup and the standard edition is free so its worth a try. After trying it, if you dont like it you can always cancel the service. The good thing about the google service is that you can be pretty sure that your mail server wont go down (since you wont be admin'ing it, google will) and you wont have to become an "expert in mail servers".
Thanks, Razi. I'll investigate this - it sounds like what I'm looking for. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 21:25 +0200, Sandy Drobic wrote:
Just to clear up some probable misunderstanding: do you mean that your server receives the mail and then sends it onwards to your ISP? THAT is forwarding. If you mean that you have a domain which is hosted by your ISP and the mailserver of your ISP is the MX for that domain, that is NOT forwarding.
I don't have a server. Company A hosting my domains receives the mail and forwards it to my ISP (company B) and I pick it up from there with POP3.
Weird construction. (^-^) Why not poll the Server of Company A directly? The trouble with forwarding is, that different methods of determining spam might lead to blocking, if Company B considers the server of Company A as a source of spam.
If you want to set up your own server the basic setup for Postfix/Cyrus is relatively simple.
I still see a lot of traffic on this list from people with problems! They're ably helped by you and others but it still looks like more hassle than I'd like :(
Of course. I only said that the basic setup is relatively easy. I didn't say anything about troubleshooting. (^-^)
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 19:13 -0400, Razi Khaja wrote:
I just started using the google service for my own domain. Its very easy to setup and the standard edition is free so its worth a try. After trying it, if you dont like it you can always cancel the service. The good thing about the google service is that you can be pretty sure that your mail server wont go down (since you wont be admin'ing it, google will) and you wont have to become an "expert in mail servers".
Thanks, Razi. I'll investigate this - it sounds like what I'm looking for.
It's definitely a better choice than to start your own server without knowing much about SMTP and IMAP. One caveat is that I simply don't trust Google to handle my data. They are a business in the first place, so they have to get some value out of it in a currency you don't see at first glance. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Dave Howorth wrote:
I don't have a server. Company A hosting my domains receives the mail and forwards it to my ISP (company B) and I pick it up from there with POP3.
Weird construction. (^-^) Why not poll the Server of Company A directly? The trouble with forwarding is, that different methods of determining spam might lead to blocking, if Company B considers the server of Company A as a source of spam.
Originally, company A didn't offer POP3/IMAP access on their forwarding accounts. They do now but I'm looking to move away following other changes in their business policy (i.e. extra charges appearing without warning). As regards spam, I tell both A and B not to filter my mail at all. I pay them money to deliver it!
It's definitely a better choice than to start your own server without knowing much about SMTP and IMAP.
There are far too many things where I already know more than I want to. I'd like to treat mail as a black box and concentrate on things I find more interesting.
One caveat is that I simply don't trust Google to handle my data.
I trust Google more than some but I'd prefer to deal with a company whose people & servers are in the UK or EU. Just call it an irrational prejudice :) Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
I have a domain that I use to forward email. So I'm subscribed to this list as dave@howorth.org.uk and it is forwarded to my real ISP. The
Just to clear up some probable misunderstanding: do you mean that your server receives the mail and then sends it onwards to your ISP? THAT is forwarding. If you mean that you have a domain which is hosted by your ISP and the mailserver of your ISP is the MX for that domain, that is NOT forwarding.
company that provides this service has decided to try to get extra money for the same service so I'm looking for somewhere else. They also host the DNS for that domain and a few others and provide web forwarding as well, though I don't use that in earnest.
Can anybody recommend any company in the UK or Europe that provides these services, speak English and are trustworthy?
Or how much of this could I do for myself? Are there any good howtos?
If you want to set up your own server the basic setup for Postfix/Cyrus is relatively simple. Prerequisite is definitely a dsl connection. If the mailserver of your ISP allows you to use arbitrary sender addresses then you can receive all mails for your domain directly and send the mails via your ISP. Otherwise too many mailserver will reject mails sent directly from a residential connection. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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