I was running SuSE 9.1 pro without problems. Now I did a clean install (format everything and install) and I have two questions (1) mouse. I have an IBM versatile mouse (wheel and 6 buttons) that was designed mainly for win however under SuSE 9.1 work great as a wheel+3 button mouse (the side buttons were not operational). I believe I was using the ps2 intelli mouse driver. Now under 9.2 even though the button and the wheel are active the movement are not controllable. I could not find any driver in the list or do any changes in the mouse setup that work. Seems that the driver for the mouse change from (9.1 to 9.2) I went to the store and I got a logitech optical mouse / ps2 connector. Again I have problems. In this case the mouse works, the three button worked but the wheel does not. (a) is there any way to retrieve and install the mouse driver from 9.1 to 9.2? so I can use the IBM versatile mouse as I have before? (b) is there any way to activate the wheel in the logitech optical mouse /ps2 (c) do you know of any program/driver that provides additional features to the mouse. (d) what's the best mouse for linux? (2) I love the snow in the alps background that came with 9.1 where in the dvd I can find it? BTW I am very impress by the presentation and installation of SuSE 9.2. What a value! Best wishes for the new year for all of you TIA -=terry(Denver)=-
Congratulations on having only mouse issues with your 9.2 upgrade! You're one of the lucky ones. -- <<JAV>> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Teruel de Campo <chusty@attglobal.net> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:33:55 -0700 Subject: [SLE] 9.1 > 9.2 question
I was running SuSE 9.1 pro without problems. Now I did a clean install (format everything and install) and I have two questions
(1) mouse. I have an IBM versatile mouse (wheel and 6 buttons) that was designed mainly for win however under SuSE 9.1 work great as a wheel+3 button mouse (the side buttons were not operational). I believe I was using the ps2 intelli mouse driver. Now under 9.2 even though the button and the wheel are active the movement are not controllable. I could not find any driver in the list or do any changes in the mouse setup that work. Seems that the driver for the mouse change from (9.1 to 9.2) I went to the store and I got a logitech optical mouse / ps2 connector. Again I have problems. In this case the mouse works, the three button worked but the wheel does not.
(a) is there any way to retrieve and install the mouse driver from 9.1 to 9.2? so I can use the IBM versatile mouse as I have before?
(b) is there any way to activate the wheel in the logitech optical mouse /ps2
(c) do you know of any program/driver that provides additional features to the mouse.
(d) what's the best mouse for linux?
(2) I love the snow in the alps background that came with 9.1 where in the dvd I can find it?
BTW I am very impress by the presentation and installation of SuSE 9.2. What a value!
Best wishes for the new year for all of you
TIA
-=terry(Denver)=-
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On Monday 27 December 2004 01:40 pm, Joe Polk wrote:
Congratulations on having only mouse issues with your 9.2 upgrade! You're one of the lucky ones.
Actually, if you had problems, I would restate that to say you are one of the unfortunate ones. While certainly not scientific, look at the archives for the past couple of years . Load each month and write down the number of messages received that month. You can spot the release months pretty closely by looking for a surge in emails... except this release. While there are some surges not located around a release, there are no releases without a surge... except for 9.2. Doug
There are many posts here relating to issues with 9.2. It was because of these that I was very apprehensive about making the move from 9.0. I did anyway. I found several issues, as I've posted here before, that made me give it up. Some probably cannot completely attributed to SuSE as I think the new kernel had issues with my monitor (a monitor that worked fine with 9.0). Others were klugy issues that could have been corrected with some decent QA. I'm disappointed, really, that Novell didn't QA the product better. The only machine I have that might have ran it decently was my server but I never installed it there. In my opinion, it came across as a rushed product and frankly appeared that way in KDE. That's my opinion and my experience. I don't do anything funky with my desktop install. I don't recompile the kernel, I don't customize my menus really. It's just a straight, out-of-the-box install. Others have had great success with it and are obviously able to get beyond some of the bloopers. For me, my choice, it was just not worth my money. I hope the next version is better because I am behind Novell's Linux efforts whole-heartedly. -- <<JAV>> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Doug B <suse@hatterhill.com> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:03:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLE] 9.1 > 9.2 question
On Monday 27 December 2004 01:40 pm, Joe Polk wrote:
Congratulations on having only mouse issues with your 9.2 upgrade! You're one of the lucky ones.
Actually, if you had problems, I would restate that to say you are one of the unfortunate ones.
While certainly not scientific, look at the archives for the past couple of years . Load each month and write down the number of messages received that month. You can spot the release months pretty closely by looking for a surge in emails... except this release. While there are some surges not located around a release, there are no releases without a surge... except for 9.2.
Doug
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On Tuesday 28 December 2004 03:12 pm, Joe Polk wrote:
There are many posts here relating to issues with 9.2. It was because of these that I was very apprehensive about making the move from 9.0. I did anyway. I found several issues, as I've posted here before, that made me give it up. Some probably cannot completely attributed to SuSE as I think the new kernel had issues with my monitor (a monitor that worked fine with 9.0). Others were klugy issues that could have been corrected with some decent QA. I'm disappointed, really, that Novell didn't QA the product better. The only machine I have that might have ran it decently was my server but I never installed it there. In my opinion, it came across as a rushed product and frankly appeared that way in KDE. That's my opinion and my experience. I don't do anything funky with my desktop install. I don't recompile the kernel, I don't customize my menus really. It's just a straight, out-of-the-box install. Others have had great success with it and are obviously able to get beyond some of the bloopers. For me, my choice, it was just not worth my money. I hope the next version is better because I am behind Novell's Linux efforts whole-heartedly.
---------- Original Message ----------- From: Doug B <suse@hatterhill.com>
On Monday 27 December 2004 01:40 pm, Joe Polk wrote:
Congratulations on having only mouse issues with your 9.2 upgrade! You're one of the lucky ones.
Actually, if you had problems, I would restate that to say you are one of the unfortunate ones.
I don't take issue with your having problems. As you say, there have been a number of people who have problems with 9.2. I understand your frustration... I really do. The only thing I take issue with is describing those with success stories as being the lucky ones. To me, that sounds like most people have problems but there are some lucky ones. I feel it is the other way around. Most people have had a good experience and but some have been unlucky. That has been true of every release I've installed from RedHat 6.x to Suse 9.2 and a few others. There are always people who have problems. Since I signed up on my first distro mail list, there have always been comments like -- "Watch the mail list for a surge in emails around release time. The bigger the surge, the more the problems and the longer you should wait before upgrading your box.". There was no surge this time. That could be a very good sign about 9.2 (fewer problems) or a bad sign about Suse (fewer people moving over/upgrading). Since my experience was pretty good (a few problems, but nothing I couldn't work out), I choose to think the (lack of surge in) volume of email is a good thing. I do think SuSE needs to watch quality better. There is no excuse for what happened with the last two kernel updates. Marketing sells a product... quality keeps folks comming back. Years ago I worked as a salesman in the oil field trucking business. I used to tell my drivers that I could sell anyone once, but it was up to them to sell the next job by doing a good job. In a product like this, getting the first sale is important... but getting the second sale is critical. Good luck with the next one! Doug
Point taken. I would only contend that I think there were more issues with 9.2 than 9.0 and 9.1, just from the activity I saw on this list. QA is a big issue but I see it in other distro's. KDE has an horrible menu editor and no one seems to address that. The KDE menu in 9.2 has some cosmetic bloopers and the KDE menu editor makes correcting them nearly impossible. How hard can it be to sit down, go over the default menu, and correct some mistakes? Let's hope the next release is better. :) -- <<JAV>> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Doug B <suse@hatterhill.com>
I don't take issue with your having problems. As you say, there have been a number of people who have problems with 9.2. I understand your frustration... I really do.
The only thing I take issue with is describing those with success stories as being the lucky ones. To me, that sounds like most people have problems but there are some lucky ones. I feel it is the other way around. Most people have had a good experience and but some have been unlucky.
That has been true of every release I've installed from RedHat 6.x to Suse 9.2 and a few others. There are always people who have problems. Since I signed up on my first distro mail list, there have always been comments like -- "Watch the mail list for a surge in emails around release time. The bigger the surge, the more the problems and the longer you should wait before upgrading your box.". There was no surge this time. That could be a very good sign about 9.2 (fewer problems) or a bad sign about Suse (fewer people moving over/upgrading). Since my experience was pretty good (a few problems, but nothing I couldn't work out), I choose to think the (lack of surge in) volume of email is a good thing.
I do think SuSE needs to watch quality better. There is no excuse for what happened with the last two kernel updates. Marketing sells a product... quality keeps folks comming back. Years ago I worked as a salesman in the oil field trucking business. I used to tell my drivers that I could sell anyone once, but it was up to them to sell the next job by doing a good job. In a product like this, getting the first sale is important... but getting the second sale is critical.
Good luck with the next one! Doug
------- End of Original Message -------
Doug B wrote:
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 03:12 pm, Joe Polk wrote:
There are many posts here relating to issues with 9.2. It was because of these that I was very apprehensive about making the move from 9.0. I did anyway. I found several issues, as I've posted here before, that made me give it up. Some probably cannot completely attributed to SuSE as I think the new kernel had issues with my monitor (a monitor that worked fine with 9.0). Others were klugy issues that could have been corrected with some decent QA. I'm disappointed, really, that Novell didn't QA the product better. The only machine I have that might have ran it decently was my server but I never installed it there. In my opinion, it came across as a rushed product and frankly appeared that way in KDE. That's my opinion and my experience. I don't do anything funky with my desktop install. I don't recompile the kernel, I don't customize my menus really. It's just a straight, out-of-the-box install. Others have had great success with it and are obviously able to get beyond some of the bloopers. For me, my choice, it was just not worth my money. I hope the next version is better because I am behind Novell's Linux efforts whole-heartedly.
---------- Original Message ----------- From: Doug B <suse@hatterhill.com>
On Monday 27 December 2004 01:40 pm, Joe Polk wrote:
Congratulations on having only mouse issues with your 9.2 upgrade! You're one of the lucky ones.
Actually, if you had problems, I would restate that to say you are one of the unfortunate ones.
I don't take issue with your having problems. As you say, there have been a number of people who have problems with 9.2. I understand your frustration... I really do.
The only thing I take issue with is describing those with success stories as being the lucky ones. To me, that sounds like most people have problems but there are some lucky ones. I feel it is the other way around. Most people have had a good experience and but some have been unlucky.
That has been true of every release I've installed from RedHat 6.x to Suse 9.2 and a few others. There are always people who have problems. Since I signed up on my first distro mail list, there have always been comments like -- "Watch the mail list for a surge in emails around release time. The bigger the surge, the more the problems and the longer you should wait before upgrading your box.". There was no surge this time. That could be a very good sign about 9.2 (fewer problems) or a bad sign about Suse (fewer people moving over/upgrading). Since my experience was pretty good (a few problems, but nothing I couldn't work out), I choose to think the (lack of surge in) volume of email is a good thing.
I do think SuSE needs to watch quality better. There is no excuse for what happened with the last two kernel updates. Marketing sells a product... quality keeps folks comming back. Years ago I worked as a salesman in the oil field trucking business. I used to tell my drivers that I could sell anyone once, but it was up to them to sell the next job by doing a good job. In a product like this, getting the first sale is important... but getting the second sale is critical.
Good luck with the next one! Doug
All I can say is that with so many bad experiences, I am very hesitant to purchase software without knowing that it is going to work. Unfortunately for SuSE, they don't seem to have a public evaluation system, nor are there distros for NON-COMMERCIAL usages. I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before, and I like it when companies like Oracle and Sun, and even Microsoft, have evaluation/non-commercial options to get at their software and try it. It many sales, especially enterprise, they have a POC phase, i.e. Proof-Of-Concept. I don't see why we can have some form of this, rather than just blindly pay, and find out later it doesn't work. :-( Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
Op woensdag 29 december 2004 20:13, schreef Joaquin Menchaca: (snip)
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
If on the basis of the for free available evidence that is your considered opinion, I'm curious for what magazine(s) you write your evaluation. I'd put those on my "TO AVOID" list then. Best regards, -- Jos van Kan
Jos van Kan wrote:
Op woensdag 29 december 2004 20:13, schreef Joaquin Menchaca: (snip)
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
If on the basis of the for free available evidence that is your considered opinion, I'm curious for what magazine(s) you write your evaluation. I'd put those on my "TO AVOID" list then.
Best regards,
If I was with a magazine, they have a budget for these purchases, but then many times companies shower them with free stuff, in hopes to get their product reviewed. And if I were a paid reviewer, I would paint a rosy picture and omit any critique (even if positive criticism with viable solutions/workarounds/updates), assuming Novell/SuSE is paying for adverts, which might be typical of American magazines. However, I would like to get at the product to that I can (1) professionally recommend it to clients that are considering to migrate toa Linux platform, and (2) recommend it as a platform for training students at the local community colleges. They are going with RedHat, but I could have some clout to get them to migrate to SuSE. However, if I cannot get the product, I cannot evaluate it, if I cannot evaluate it, I cannot recommend it. I would like to offer alteratives to the staple Red Hat. Now, you can bash and burn newcomers for voicing criticisms against your beloved cherished distro of choice, but then this doesn't address the problem, nor does it attract people to the SuSE platform. Best regards.
On Friday 31 December 2004 08:23 pm, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
cannot get the product, I cannot evaluate it
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Op woensdag 29 december 2004 20:13, schreef Joaquin Menchaca:
I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before
Soon possible with 9.2: according: ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.2/README PS.: The SUSE Linux 9.2 ftp version is being worked on and will be made available in this directory in mid of January 2005. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 01:13 pm, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
All I can say is that with so many bad experiences, I am very hesitant to purchase software without knowing that it is going to work. Unfortunately for SuSE, they don't seem to have a public evaluation system, nor are there distros for NON-COMMERCIAL usages.
Joaquin, I dont know where you get your info, but there is no, and havent been any, prohibition from SuSe about non-commercial usage. Someone is flim-flaming you! Use it anywhere you want! Call it comercial or non-commercial if you want, No one cares. SuSE Pro simply has more development stuff included on the cd/dvd's. Even that is available for FREE, if you want to download it. Personally, I buy the pro version cause I dont want to screw with more downloads. If you use apt, you can get it all from a command line, again for FREE. Like others have been tryijng to tell you, YOU have a choice, pay for the pro version or wait and download it for free or have someone else prepare the cds for you for about 5 bucks. It;s all about choice. Choices you dont get with other OS's.
I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before, and I like it when companies like Oracle and Sun, and even Microsoft, have evaluation/non-commercial options to get at their software and try it. It many sales, especially enterprise, they have a POC phase, i.e. Proof-Of-Concept. I don't see why we can have some form of this, rather than just blindly pay, and find out later it doesn't work. :-(
No one is requiring you to pay before you try, you just have to exert a little effort to find the free version. Borrow it from a friend or download it when it becomes available.
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
You cannot find out if you dont try. Have you ever found a new piece of software that was perfect? In my 40 + years in this business, I haven't and I surely dont expect to see it now. By mid Jan, when the freebie will be on the mirrors, most of the original problems will be long solved, just like the last update. Regards, Richard -- Old age ain't for Sissies!
Richard wrote:
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 01:13 pm, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
All I can say is that with so many bad experiences, I am very hesitant to purchase software without knowing that it is going to work. Unfortunately for SuSE, they don't seem to have a public evaluation system, nor are there distros for NON-COMMERCIAL usages.
Joaquin, I dont know where you get your info, but there is no, and havent been any, prohibition from SuSe about non-commercial usage. Someone is flim-flaming you! Use it anywhere you want! Call it comercial or non-commercial if you want, No one cares.
My comment was about accessibility. Corporations have a back-door way of getting copies to users under the title of "non-commercial" usage. For legality purposes, the corporations are satisfied as users couldn't use the products legally, and for users standpoint, they get a copy without paying anything. Many times this helps with testing products, evals, student usage, training, etc., but assures companies pay realy money for products they use commercially.
SuSE Pro simply has more development stuff included on the cd/dvd's. Even that is available for FREE, if you want to download it. Personally, I buy the pro version cause I dont want to screw with more downloads. If you use apt, you can get it all from a command line, again for FREE.
Like others have been tryijng to tell you, YOU have a choice, pay for the pro version or wait and download it for free or have someone else prepare the cds for you for about 5 bucks. It;s all about choice. Choices you dont get with other OS's.
I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before, and I like it when companies like Oracle and Sun, and even Microsoft, have evaluation/non-commercial options to get at their software and try it. It many sales, especially enterprise, they have a POC phase, i.e. Proof-Of-Concept. I don't see why we can have some form of this, rather than just blindly pay, and find out later it doesn't work. :-(
No one is requiring you to pay before you try, you just have to exert a little effort to find the free version. Borrow it from a friend or download it when it becomes available.
Isn't borrowing it from a friend and installing it ILLEGAL? Maybe that's the thing in Europe, but I couldn't do this on a professional basis.
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
You cannot find out if you dont try. Have you ever found a new piece of software that was perfect? In my 40 + years in this business, I haven't and I surely dont expect to see it now. By mid Jan, when the freebie will be on the mirrors, most of the original problems will be long solved, just like the last update.
Hi, thanks for your advice. I have located the downloadable eval from others posting, and I will give it a try. As I am interested in this stuff, I am strongly thinking of buying it. I'm not exactly unemployed, and I can afford the hit if the product doesn't work out.
On Friday 31 December 2004 21:30, Joaquin Menchaca wrote:
SuSE Pro simply has more development stuff included on the cd/dvd's. Even that is available for FREE, if you want to download it. Personally, I buy the pro version cause I dont want to screw with more downloads. If you use apt, you can get it all from a command line, again for FREE.
Like others have been tryijng to tell you, YOU have a choice, pay for the pro version or wait and download it for free or have someone else prepare the cds for you for about 5 bucks. It;s all about choice. Choices you dont get with other OS's.
I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before, and I like it when companies like Oracle and Sun, and even Microsoft, have evaluation/non-commercial options to get at their software and try it. It many sales, especially enterprise, they have a POC phase, i.e. Proof-Of-Concept. I don't see why we can have some form of this, rather than just blindly pay, and find out later it doesn't work. :-(
It has been a very long time since it was available for free in .iso format. IIRC, the last time was somewhere around 6.4 for the eval version. That was about 1998 or so. Since that time, the only way to get it 'free' was to wait until it came out on the ftp sites.
No one is requiring you to pay before you try, you just have to exert a little effort to find the free version. Borrow it from a friend or download it when it becomes available.
Isn't borrowing it from a friend and installing it ILLEGAL? Maybe that's the thing in Europe, but I couldn't do this on a professional basis.
I would think twice about what you are saying. SUSE has always had a policy of allowing it to be given away. You couldn't charge for it. I've hooked a few of my friends this way. You can also install the same one on as many computers as you want. I've got 9.1 installed on two computers right now, and will upgrade both of those to 9.2 soon. That will make three computers here at home with the same 'copy' installed. You definitely can't legally do that with Windows.
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
You have a choice. Wait until it comes out on the ftp sites which shouldn't be too far into the future, or purchase it. Go to Amazon, and get the upgrade version. The only difference is the number of books you get. The DVD/CD's are identical. It's quite a bit cheaper and you get everything to try. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 9.2 Kernel 2.6.8 KDE 3.3.0 Kmail 1.7.1 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 11:24pm up 9:54, 3 users, load average: 2.22, 2.29, 2.73
* Joaquin Menchaca <linuxuser@finnovative.net> [12-31-04 15:32]:
Isn't borrowing it from a friend and installing it ILLEGAL? Maybe that's the thing in Europe, but I couldn't do this on a professional basis.
You have a bad mis-conception here. A friend can burn *exact* copies of his version of SuSE and *give* you the disks legally. He cannot sell the copies legally, but can charge you for the media and his copying expense which should be minimal. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:30:35 -0800, you wrote:
Isn't borrowing it from a friend and installing it ILLEGAL? Maybe that's the thing in Europe, but I couldn't do this on a professional basis.
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
You really must be trying to get this wrong, because you keep ignoring and misconstruing the corrections. The first paragraph shown above is nonsense, and the second is untrue.
Hi, thanks for your advice. I have located the downloadable eval from others posting, and I will give it a try. As I am interested in this stuff, I am strongly thinking of buying it. I'm not exactly unemployed, and I can afford the hit if the product doesn't work out.
Now THAT is terrifying. Someone is paying you, thinking you're a computing professional... Mike- -- If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs... You may have a great career as a network administrator ahead! -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 02:13 pm, Joaquin Menchaca wrote: [...]
All I can say is that with so many bad experiences, I am very hesitant to purchase software without knowing that it is going to work. Unfortunately for SuSE, they don't seem to have a public evaluation system, nor are there distros for NON-COMMERCIAL usages. I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before, and I like it when companies like Oracle and Sun, and even Microsoft, have evaluation/non-commercial options to get at their software and try it. It many sales, especially enterprise, they have a POC phase, i.e. Proof-Of-Concept. I don't see why we can have some form of this, rather than just blindly pay, and find out later it doesn't work. :-(
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-) ============
Joaquin, You are so wrong on so many levels with this, it's difficult to know where to start to correct you! It would appear you've done no research at all and if you are in a position such as you have described, I feel sorry for the company you work for, even if you are self employed. There are so many things available to you from SuSE for the things you say you want to do, yet you seem to be totally incapable of seeing that! Maybe you are nothing more than a troll here? Maybe you don't have the ability to reason these things out on your own? Maybe you are just incapable of running Linux, since it appears you have responded from a Windows machine? I'm not sure you even suspect anything beyond a computer lets you play games or type words on a screen, but if you expect help from this list, you might want to take on a bit more professional attitude about your postings. You also may want to at least give the impression you've done your homework! Of course, being professional may not be a concept you have grasped yet either. regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.7.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "Don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game!"
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 02:13 pm, Joaquin Menchaca wrote: [...]
All I can say is that with so many bad experiences, I am very hesitant to purchase software without knowing that it is going to work. Unfortunately for SuSE, they don't seem to have a public evaluation system, nor are there distros for NON-COMMERCIAL usages. I liked it when one could download SuSE for free before, and I like it when companies like Oracle and Sun, and even Microsoft, have evaluation/non-commercial options to get at their software and try it. It many sales, especially enterprise, they have a POC phase, i.e. Proof-Of-Concept. I don't see why we can have some form of this, rather than just blindly pay, and find out later it doesn't work. :-(
Anyhow, combine with that and and users reporting problems, SuSE doesn't seem like a viable platform at this stage, or at least one cannot find out... :-)
============
Joaquin, You are so wrong on so many levels with this, it's difficult to know where to start to correct you! It would appear you've done no research at all and if you are in a position such as you have described, I feel sorry for the company you work for, even if you are self employed.
There are so many things available to you from SuSE for the things you say you want to do, yet you seem to be totally incapable of seeing that! Maybe you are nothing more than a troll here? Maybe you don't have the ability to reason these things out on your own? Maybe you are just incapable of running Linux, since it appears you have responded from a Windows machine? I'm not sure you even suspect anything beyond a computer lets you play games or type words on a screen, but if you expect help from this list, you might want to take on a bit more professional attitude about your postings. You also may want to at least give the impression you've done your homework!
Of course, being professional may not be a concept you have grasped yet either.
regards, Lee
Hi. I think I had a legitmate concern about accessibility. However, users have pointed to where I can download the product. I didn't find the link before, and I apologize for that. However, I think your tone and personal attack to my character is very offensive. Is this how you regard as being "professional"? Anyhow, let's cease the hostilities. It's unecessary and unwarranted.
On Friday 31 December 2004 03:38 pm, Joaquin Menchaca wrote: [...]
Hi. I think I had a legitmate concern about accessibility. However, users have pointed to where I can download the product. I didn't find the link before, and I apologize for that.
However, I think your tone and personal attack to my character is very offensive. Is this how you regard as being "professional"?
Anyhow, let's cease the hostilities. It's unecessary and unwarranted. ============
No personal attack intended, but I did want to point out you certainly approached getting info and help in the wrong manner. It was evident that you failed to do any research beforehand from your tone & questions contained in your original mail. Everything you needed was locatable via a Google search or search on the SuSE mirrors. Many times we approach unprofessional behavior with the same, as that seems to be the only method some understand making statements of the nature you did. As it seems you have the info and now the 9.2 package in your hands, I'll assume you can make an informed decision on recommending & using SuSE. I think you will be pleased. Let us know if you need assistance in setting up, but don't forget to do your homework before posting. The mail list is archived and searchable, the manuals included with your package are quite helpful and of course Google is your friend. But don't hesitate to ask the list, should you not be able to locate the answer you require. Good Day & Happy New Year! Lee -- --- KMail v1.7.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "Don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game!"
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:12:03 -0400, you wrote:
There are many posts here relating to issues with 9.2. It was because of these that I was very apprehensive about making the move from 9.0. I did anyway. I found several issues, as I've posted here before, that made me give
[much snippage] 9.0 was so buggy here that it sent me to Red Hat. When Red Hat imploded as a viable distro, I came back to SuSE 9.1, which was much better than 9.0 was. 9.2 is basically 9.1 with usb and wireless networking closer to working. They also busted a lot of the sound stuff, but I recognize that it's a work in progress. Mike- -- If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs... You may have a great career as a network administrator ahead! -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
A work in progress I expect to be like...not supporting this new piece of hardware or improving wireless card detection and such (though personally, I think wifi support is WAY behind the curve in most distro's). Menu items that are improperly treed, seg faults on stuff like a simple game or utility, editors that take you through the motions but don't DO anything, and config utils that fail to keep their settings are all signs of poor execution, not "works in progress." Perhaps focus is in the wrong place and if so then so be it. Someone should be walking through the distro before sending it out and saying, "Okay, these 5 things don't even work. Take them out." -- <<JAV>> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Michael W Cocke <cocke@catherders.com> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:00:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLE] 9.1 > 9.2 question
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:12:03 -0400, you wrote:
There are many posts here relating to issues with 9.2. It was because of these that I was very apprehensive about making the move from 9.0. I did anyway. I found several issues, as I've posted here before, that made me give
[much snippage]
9.0 was so buggy here that it sent me to Red Hat. When Red Hat imploded as a viable distro, I came back to SuSE 9.1, which was much better than 9.0 was. 9.2 is basically 9.1 with usb and wireless networking closer to working. They also busted a lot of the sound stuff, but I recognize that it's a work in progress.
Mike-
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On Monday 27 December 2004 20:33, Teruel de Campo wrote: //cut
(2) I love the snow in the alps background that came with 9.1 where in the dvd I can find it? So did I, and I found it at /usr/share/wallpaper/suse9.1-blue-1024.jpg Enjoy.
-- Jan Elders the Netherlands http://www.xs4all.nl/~jrme/ "Home of the Network Acronyms"
Jan Elders wrote:
On Monday 27 December 2004 20:33, Teruel de Campo wrote: //cut
(2) I love the snow in the alps background that came with 9.1 where in the dvd I can find it?
So did I, and I found it at /usr/share/wallpaper/suse9.1-blue-1024.jpg
Jan, I just copy it to /opt/kde3/share/wallpapers/ and now I have the good looks of 9.1 :-) and the functionality of 9.2 thxs again -=terry(Denver)=-
On Monday 27 December 2004 02:33 pm, Teruel de Campo wrote:
I was running SuSE 9.1 pro without problems. Now I did a clean install (format everything and install) and I have two questions
(1) mouse. I have an IBM versatile mouse (wheel and 6 buttons) that was designed mainly for win however under SuSE 9.1 work great as a wheel+3 button mouse (the side buttons were not operational). I believe I was using the ps2 intelli mouse driver. Now under 9.2 even though the button and the wheel are active the movement are not controllable. I could not find any driver in the list or do any changes in the mouse setup that work. Seems that the driver for the mouse change from (9.1 to 9.2) I went to the store and I got a logitech optical mouse / ps2 connector. Again I have problems. In this case the mouse works, the three button worked but the wheel does not. =========
Best wishes for the new year for all of you
TIA
-=terry(Denver)=- =========== You may have already run sax2 and in that case, I think I would remove
Have you tried running sax2 to setup the mouse, etc? The system should detect the mouse and load the correct driver by default there and it will allow you to test while in sax2. Those mice you mention should be very friendly with Linux and are good choices. ---------------- [...] the xorg.conf file or the XF86config or both, so that sax2 can start over to create new files suitable for your hardware. I too have an IBM mouse with 5 buttons and have read some mails concerning others success at getting all working, but I just haven't bothered. luck, Lee -- --- KMail v1.7.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "Don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game!"
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