Hi all, Just thought I would pass along my news about updating 8.0 to 8.1 last evening. IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE ! Little halloween humor there. :o) One of the best updates I have done! The process, I think, takes a little longer than just an install, but SuSE did a very good job of letting you have control over the system and making selections in your update! Well done SuSE, another feather in your cap, I would say. I had a few bugs, but nothing to write home about. Some minor tweaking took care of those things and the system is running as smoothly as ever. Some nice new things and looks to several programs have been made too. No problems with my Radeon card Ben. Everything solid there, same as it was with 8.0. So far, a very nice update for me and another "ataboy" for SuSE! Patrick-- --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206
->Some nice new things and looks to several programs have been made too. ->No problems with my Radeon card Ben. Everything solid there, same as ->it was with 8.0. So far, a very nice update for me and another ->"ataboy" for SuSE! I guess I didn't update the list about what I think the actual problem was that I had with 8.1. I was told by another user that my A7V Motherboard bios was too old. I was using release 1008 and the newest version was 1011 which has no problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 Radeon. The only reason I haven't reinstalled 8.1 is because I just simply don't have time when I get home and I'm just to tired/lazy. ;) I get around to it...and if 8.2 comes out before I do. I'll probably just go straight to that. :) Cheers! -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Thursday 31 October 2002 19:56, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 Radeon.
Eh? Power management stuff? Is *that* what's causing my kernel panics? Is it possible to install without any power management stuff then? What RPMs should be unchecked during install? I upgraded my BIOS to the latest for my board, but that still didn't help. I would love to get my 8.1 Pro up and running, instead of sitting here staring at the box and drooling over the disks and... hmm... I need to get a life. ;-) Joe
On Thursday 31 October 2002 22.43, Joe Sullivan wrote:
On Thursday 31 October 2002 19:56, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 Radeon.
Eh? Power management stuff?
Is *that* what's causing my kernel panics?
Is it possible to install without any power management stuff then? What RPMs should be unchecked during install?
No rpms, just boot with kernel parameter "acpi=off" Anders
* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [021031 13:49]: ->On Thursday 31 October 2002 22.43, Joe Sullivan wrote: ->> On Thursday 31 October 2002 19:56, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> > problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly ->> > powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues ->> > with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 ->> > Radeon. ->> ->> Eh? Power management stuff? ->> ->> Is *that* what's causing my kernel panics? ->> ->> Is it possible to install without any power management stuff then? What ->> RPMs should be unchecked during install? -> ->No rpms, just boot with kernel parameter "acpi=off" I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug* -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [021031 13:49]: ->->On Thursday 31 October 2002 22.43, Joe Sullivan wrote: ->->> On Thursday 31 October 2002 19:56, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->->> > problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly ->->> > powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues ->->> > with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 ->->> > Radeon. ->->> ->->> Is it possible to install without any power management stuff then? What ->->> RPMs should be unchecked during install? ->-> ->->No rpms, just boot with kernel parameter "acpi=off" -> ->I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box ->still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that ->bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug* -> I've run into strange problems with various settings and it seems no two machines are alike. Some need apm=off and acpi-off... some need these on and other seems to be happier with apic enabled... it seems there's no way to tell what the machine will be happy with other than experimenting. Laptops are what pains me the most. Is seems the new kernel is built in such a way that most laptops I've installed seem to be aware of some form of power management... but they all seem to report that they can't give me a battery status or anything because apm is only partially enabled. Trying to run apmd puke all over itself... so what's left? - Herman
On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:14, Herman L. Knief wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
->I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box ->still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that ->bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug* ->
I've run into strange problems with various settings and it seems no two machines are alike. Some need apm=off and acpi-off... some need these on and other seems to be happier with apic enabled... it seems there's no way to tell what the machine will be happy with other than experimenting. Laptops are what pains me the most. Is seems the new kernel is built in such a way that most laptops I've installed seem to be aware of some form of power management... but they all seem to report that they can't give me a battery status or anything because apm is only partially enabled. Trying to run apmd puke all over itself... so what's left?
Booting with acpi=off has worked with both of my laptops. However, doing that with my desktop made it unstable. I was trying to allow the desktop to go to sleep, but it seemed to crash whenever it tried and I had acpi=off. Without acpi=off, the desktop never even tries to sleep. Steve
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug*
Same here. I had no problems for about a week after turning these settings off then one day I plugged in my CF card and it crashed. Crashed for plugging in the CF card. Like the entire USB subsystem is hosed or something. It's a mess. Preston
On Thursday 31 October 2002 22:55, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug*
Well, I tried it. And it didn't work. Back on 8.0 yet again. I must be a sucker for punishment, but I want 8.1 to *work*, not just be a box of disks sitting on my computer table... *sigh* And SuSE's installation support that's *supposed* to come with buying the system does not exist. At all. Sent an install support request over a week ago, plus a followup mail, and not so much as a peep in response. 60-day install support means "we'll answer you in 60 days" apparently. I've gotten RH8 and Mandrake9 to install and run okay. But I don't want them. I want SuSE, this 8.1 box of disks and administration guide that I paid for. That payment also includes installation support. I expect to get an answer to install support questions. That is not too much to ask. Instead, it's "take the money and run". Busy or not, if you include "install support" when someone buys your product, you're expected to give said support. End vent. Joe
Replying to myself. Hmmm... I'm looking at the changes to Mantel's kernel and seeing a couple things: ------------------- Wed Oct 16 01:26:22 CEST 2002 - agruen@suse.de - Fix error handling in acl-ext3: Users triggerable error may panic the kernel if the FS error behavior is set to panic. ------------------- Not sure exactly what this means. But I do have ext3 file systems on one of my hard drives. I'm not quite sure, but it's possible I was accessing that HD when the panics occured. Could this be the problem? ----------------- Mon Oct 14 16:41:46 CEST 2002 - mantel@suse.de - work around severe bug in older VIA southbridges ----------------- Dunno what a southbridge is, but I know I have some VIA stuff in this computer.... This is leading me to think that maybe Mantel's kernel fixes the problem. Since I dunno what the real problem is, it's hard to tell. Maybe I'll give that a try this weekend. I really need to get some regular work done though, so I'll stick with 8.0 for a few more days at least. Joe
Hi Just a small info...
Dunno what a southbridge is, but I know I have some VIA stuff in this computer....
Southbridge is the data/address bus coming from processor, and going into periperal chip(set).. it is the bus where all the stuff from processor to things like IDE, PCI, USB etc goes. Northbridge is the memory bus.... Jaska. On Friday 01 November 2002 16:42, Joe Sullivan wrote:
Replying to myself. Hmmm...
I'm looking at the changes to Mantel's kernel and seeing a couple things:
------------------- Wed Oct 16 01:26:22 CEST 2002 - agruen@suse.de
- Fix error handling in acl-ext3: Users triggerable error may panic the kernel if the FS error behavior is set to panic. -------------------
Not sure exactly what this means. But I do have ext3 file systems on one of my hard drives. I'm not quite sure, but it's possible I was accessing that HD when the panics occured. Could this be the problem?
----------------- Mon Oct 14 16:41:46 CEST 2002 - mantel@suse.de
- work around severe bug in older VIA southbridges -----------------
Dunno what a southbridge is, but I know I have some VIA stuff in this computer....
This is leading me to think that maybe Mantel's kernel fixes the problem. Since I dunno what the real problem is, it's hard to tell.
Maybe I'll give that a try this weekend. I really need to get some regular work done though, so I'll stick with 8.0 for a few more days at least.
Joe
Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> [Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:55:31 -0800]:
I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good.
Not to you directly, but I used your mail as a hook :) For a rather good text (at least IMO :) about ACPI and the problems it makes see http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/acpi.html Philipp -- Philipp Thomas work: pthomas@suse.de Development SuSE Linux AG private: pth@t-link.de
On Friday 01 November 2002 23:04, Philipp Thomas wrote:
Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> [Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:55:31 -0800]:
I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good.
Not to you directly, but I used your mail as a hook :)
For a rather good text (at least IMO :) about ACPI and the problems it makes see
http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/acpi.html
Philipp
Do you know if there is a similar blacklist for issues with APIC? I enountered problems with dual-processor Tyan board systems in which I had to turn apic=off in the bootloader. Thanks! Donavan Pantke
A couple of weeks ago I chose to update an existing system from 7.3 to 8.1. The machine in question is a 2-processor, all-scsi Dell. In the past, I've had problems. I recommend that those wishing to update choose "update existing programs only," then manually go through alternative programs to decide which to include. That takes additional time, but appears fool-proof. The installation went fairly smoothly, but of course I needed to refer to backups of old configuration files. Sax correctly identified my monitor but messed up its settings. Other problems are attributable to issues with the applications software, so SuSE did an excellent job. One curiousity. Yast thought I had "7.1" installed, but it was 7.3 with many updates since. And now it thinks I have verion "?" installed. Where is it picking up this info? jim bennett
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