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Originally to: All Hello All! I cannot send email anymore. Except for small messages (2 lines).. It does not matter if I use kmail or netscape. Is it possible that another program should be killed (should not start up..)? This is what the system guard (ctrl/esc in KDE) shows: [...] ksysguardd \ __ I know.. the system guard ksysguard / opera-static \ opera-static opera browser opera / sendmail does sometimes send mail.. gedlnx golded sh ..perhaps for golded konsole ? kio_pop3 ? btxe binkleyterm btxe task2 xterm with btxe xterm btxe task2 kmail email program mailcheck a script that tosses mail binkd (server) binkd (client) pptp \ pptp adsl connection pppd / bash \ bash terminal 3x bash / konsole ? kwin ? ksmserver ? knotify ? cat ? kwrited ? Running... ? khotkeys ? klipper I know.. keeps pasted text kicker ? kxmlrpcd ? kio_uiserver ? kded ? kdesktop perhaps my kde desktop klauncher ? dcopserver ? kde erhm.. something for kde I suppose xconsole that blue screen at startup.. kdm K desktop manager? X just X the graphical interface kdm another kdm? mingetty (6 x) ? inetd I know.. cron ok rpc.mountd ? nfsd ? rpciod ? lockd ? nfsd (3x) rpc.statd ? lpd something for using the printer in a network? in.inetd (4x) ? atd I know usbmgr I can't switch this off, I don't use usb klogd ? syslogd ? sshd secure shell, but I don't know what it does portmap do I need this? khubd ? mdrecoveryd ? kupdate ? bdflush ? kreclaimd ? kswapd ? kapm-idled ? keventd ? init ? You see, a lot of question marks. Can somebody explain what these programs are used for? Is there anything that causes the trouble I have with sending email? Kees <-> Gateway Information. This message originated from a Fidonet System (http://www.fidonet.org) and was gated at TCOB1 (http://www.tcob1.net) Please do not respond direct to this message but via the list
--- Kees Bergwerf <lists@tcob1.net> wrote:
You see, a lot of question marks. Can somebody explain what these programs are used for?
As any user, try `man foo' where foo is the name of most of the processes you listed, most of which are KDE services or applications. KDE starts a lot of things that you can't kill if you want to run KDE. I triple-dog-dare you to `kill -9 init' as root sometime, if you really want to find out what it does...
Is there anything that causes the trouble I have with sending email?
Probably not, but a process list isn't going to be sufficient to find that out. Maybe SMTP is simply disallowed on your network? ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:02:36PM -0800, Jon Pennington wrote:
--- Kees Bergwerf <lists@tcob1.net> wrote:
You see, a lot of question marks. Can somebody explain what these programs are used for?
As any user, try `man foo' where foo is the name of most of the processes you listed, most of which are KDE services or applications. KDE starts a lot of things that you can't kill if you want to run KDE. I triple-dog-dare you to `kill -9 init' as root sometime, if you really want to find out what it does...
It will do nothing at all. -) "kill" needs a numerical pid as an argument, maybe you are thinking of "killall"...however... -) The process "init", process number 1, is constructed by hand when it is run by the kernel and, unique amongst all processes, it is immune to signal 9. To prove this I just did it, and look, still here :) -- Regards Cliff
--- Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:02:36PM -0800, Jon Pennington wrote:
KDE starts a lot of things that you can't kill if you want to run KDE. I triple-dog-dare you to `kill -9 init' as root sometime, if you really want to find out what it does...
It will do nothing at all.
Whoops. Been a long night at work, folks. :] ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Originally to: Jon Pennington Hello Jon! Monday October 29 2001 20:02, Jon Pennington wrote to SuSE-Linux List: JP> As any user, try `man foo' where foo is the name of most of the JP> processes you listed, Have you tried 'man kxmlrpcd' ? or 'man dcopserver' etc ? That is why I asked it here. JP> most of which are KDE services or applications. JP> KDE starts a lot of things that you can't kill if you want to run JP> KDE. I have tried killing a few programs but it did not help yet. Perhaps I must try some more :-)
Is there anything that causes the trouble I have with sending email?
JP> Probably not, but a process list isn't going to be sufficient to find JP> that out. Maybe SMTP is simply disallowed on your network? I don't know. Sendmail is running now and it says: Initializing SMTP port. (sendmail) done Kees <-> Gateway Information. This message originated from a Fidonet System (http://www.fidonet.org) and was gated at TCOB1 (http://www.tcob1.net) Please do not respond direct to this message but via the list
--- Kees Bergwerf <lists@tcob1.net> wrote:
Have you tried 'man kxmlrpcd' ? or 'man dcopserver' etc ? That is why I asked it here.
From the name of the first one, I'd guess that it's a KDE implementation of an XML Remote Procedure Call daemon. It's a KDE feature. DCOP is definitely a part of KDE. Such is the price for having a powerful, feature-rich desktop environment. If you want to get rid of this stuff, try setting WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/X11R6/bin/twm; much of your PS list will cease to appear.;)
I have tried killing a few programs but it did not help yet. Perhaps I must try some more :-)
Randomly killing things won't do you much good. Many daemons that KDE starts will respawn themselves, and some, when killed, may keep KDE from functioning. Same thing for other processes.
I don't know. Sendmail is running now and it says:
Initializing SMTP port. (sendmail) done
What do the sendmail logs say? This will be most useful. Try zeroing your sendmail log files (logrotate does this nicely), restart the mail service, and look at the logs. Anything that doesn't look right should be a matter of great suspicion; try posting it here (inline text) or to a web site somewhere and provide us linkage (the latter is preferred). ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
--- Kees Bergwerf <lists@tcob1.net> wrote:
You see, a lot of question marks. Can somebody explain what these programs are used for?
As any user, try `man foo' where foo is the name of most of the processes you listed, most of which are KDE services or applications. KDE starts a lot of things that you can't kill if you want to run KDE. I triple-dog-dare you to `kill -9 init' as root sometime, if you really want to find out what it does...
Is there anything that causes the trouble I have with sending email?
Probably not, but a process list isn't going to be sufficient to find that out. Maybe SMTP is simply disallowed on your network? ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:47:12AM +0000, Kees Bergwerf wrote:
Originally to: All
Hello All!
I cannot send email anymore. Except for small messages (2 lines).. It does not matter if I use kmail or netscape.
Clarify, you can send mail, but only two line messages ? Is that what you are saying ? The process list you sent is of no value in this. try a few things: - Send me directly a message, even if only a 2 line one - Try sending me a longer one, if it fails mail the list what exactly happens - Try "mail" "mailx" from the command line with various size messages, report what happens. - Try and telnet into your mailer, what happens ? "telnet localhost 25" What MTA are you using ? Look at output of "ps -ef", sendmail probably. Say *precisely* what you do and what happens..ok ? To mail me try "cliff@raggedclown.net" -- Regards Cliff
Originally to: Cliff Sarginson Hello Cliff! Tuesday October 30 2001 11:11, Cliff Sarginson wrote to All: CS> Clarify, you can send mail, but only two line messages ? Well.. sometimes 3 lines. I have sent you a few messages with Kmail. one line goes well, two lines also, 3 lines takes more time and four lines will not go away: kmail rapports a network error, result-code 0. CS> The process list you sent is of no value in this. well.. I had also problems with binkd, binkd server would not start. But there was another program running, started by inetd. When I killed that program, binkd server could be started finally. So I thought that perhaps there was a program running that gives trouble when using port 25. CS> try a few things: CS> - Send me directly a message, even if only a 2 line one done. CS> - Try sending me a longer one, if it fails mail the list what CS> exactly happens Kmail starts sending the message, I wait a few seconds, nothing happens, I wait a minute, an error messages pops up. I have also tried sendmail with kmail, Oct 31 01:43:31 linux sendmail[1937]: f9TLVNg00880: to=bas@bijbelenpc.nl, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=1+03:12:08, xdelay=00:16:59, mailer=smtp, pri=4444054, relay=smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with smtp.hccnet.nl I have not done anything with the sendmail config file. Sometimes, sendmail says 'accepted for delivery' but the above message will not go away. CS> - Try "mail" I see a lot of messages. A few like this: ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:54:27 +0200 from localhost [[UNIX: localhost]] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- max@volta.ee ----- Transcript of session follows ----- max@volta.ee... Deferred: Name server: volta.ee.: host name lookup failure Warning: message still undelivered after 1 day Will keep trying until message is 5 days old [....] CS> "mailx" from the command line with various size CS> messages, report what happens. ehrm.. you mean that I can send mail with the mail command? :-) Well. I tried, 'mail cliff@raggedclown.net' short messages and at the end quite a long message, but after the dot, I get a EOF message and I am back at the prompt. Is it really possible to send mail this way? Ahh.. I see that 'mail' uses sendmail. But the sendmail log says that all messages are accepted for deliverance. CS> - Try and telnet into your mailer, what happens ? CS> "telnet localhost 25" bash-2.04# telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 linux.cbw ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:31:08 +0100 then what? helo linux.cbw 250 linux.cbw Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you I really don't know what to do :-\ CS> What MTA are you using ? Look at output of "ps -ef", sendmail CS> probably. Yes, sendmail. CS> Say *precisely* what you do and what happens..ok ? I tried. It worked ok two weeks ago. Probably the online update was not a good idea. I don't know what is updated or else I would uninstall those packages and install it again (the older version) from the cd. Kees <-> Gateway Information. This message originated from a Fidonet System (http://www.fidonet.org) and was gated at TCOB1 (http://www.tcob1.net) Please do not respond direct to this message but via the list
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:26:24AM +0000, Kees Bergwerf wrote:
Originally to: Cliff Sarginson
Hello Cliff!
Tuesday October 30 2001 11:11, Cliff Sarginson wrote to All:
CS> Clarify, you can send mail, but only two line messages ?
Well.. sometimes 3 lines. I have sent you a few messages with Kmail. one line goes well, two lines also, 3 lines takes more time and four lines will not go away: kmail rapports a network error, result-code 0.
CS> The process list you sent is of no value in this.
well.. I had also problems with binkd, binkd server would not start. But there was another program running, started by inetd. When I killed that program, binkd server could be started finally. So I thought that perhaps there was a program running that gives trouble when using port 25.
CS> try a few things:
CS> - Send me directly a message, even if only a 2 line one
done.
CS> - Try sending me a longer one, if it fails mail the list what CS> exactly happens
Kmail starts sending the message, I wait a few seconds, nothing happens, I wait a minute, an error messages pops up. I have also tried sendmail with kmail,
Oct 31 01:43:31 linux sendmail[1937]: f9TLVNg00880: to=bas@bijbelenpc.nl, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=1+03:12:08, xdelay=00:16:59, mailer=smtp, pri=4444054, relay=smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with smtp.hccnet.nl I have not done anything with the sendmail config file. Sometimes, sendmail says 'accepted for delivery' but the above message will not go away.
CS> - Try "mail"
I see a lot of messages. A few like this: ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** **********************************************
The original message was received at Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:54:27 +0200 from localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]
----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- max@volta.ee
----- Transcript of session follows ----- max@volta.ee... Deferred: Name server: volta.ee.: host name lookup failure Warning: message still undelivered after 1 day Will keep trying until message is 5 days old [....]
CS> "mailx" from the command line with various size CS> messages, report what happens.
ehrm.. you mean that I can send mail with the mail command? :-) Well. I tried, 'mail cliff@raggedclown.net' short messages and at the end quite a long message, but after the dot, I get a EOF message and I am back at the prompt. Is it really possible to send mail this way?
:) Of course it is, long ago and far away everyone used "mail". I use it quite often if I am in a hurry, and in shell scripts. You can even use sendmail directly to send mail, although user friendliness is not high on the agenda and you do have to know the SMTP commands.
Ahh.. I see that 'mail' uses sendmail. But the sendmail log says that all messages are accepted for deliverance.
CS> - Try and telnet into your mailer, what happens ? CS> "telnet localhost 25"
bash-2.04# telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 linux.cbw ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:31:08 +0100
then what?
helo linux.cbw 250 linux.cbw Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
I really don't know what to do :-\
CS> What MTA are you using ? Look at output of "ps -ef", sendmail CS> probably.
Yes, sendmail.
CS> Say *precisely* what you do and what happens..ok ?
I tried.
It worked ok two weeks ago. Probably the online update was not a good idea. I don't know what is updated or else I would uninstall those packages and install it again (the older version) from the cd.
If you can send mail of arbitrary length using "mail" then it does not sound like your sendmail configuration is broken, you can also telnet port 25 and get sendmail's greeting, so that sounds ok. Mmm. Let me think about this, netscape mail and kmail are both broken for you. Try it again and see what surfaces in the logs, the relevant log should be /var/log/mail or /var/log/maillog. Wait until netscape/kmail bitches, then snip out the last lines from the maillog and post those. I presume it is only X that is freezing up, not your whole machine ? If it is the whole machine you will need to fiddle with syslog a bit..but I will tell you how to do that if that is the case. -- Regards Cliff
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