Peter Nikolic wrote:

My system here is never turned off the only time it goes down is when i down it , I wish to have cron behave as it used to do before all this stuff for the start stop brigade was mixed into it .

What i need to know is can i get rid of the "cron.daily , cron.hourly " and so on files and just return it to a very efficent and simple cron and crontab system minus the flowery bits i neither like need nor want ..

C'mon, if you know cron so well, how about just looking into /etc/crontab ? -- you surely recognize immediately the job that you need to discard, it's the very first job and even has a respective comment in front of it. Of course, after you deleted it, you'll want to analyze which of those /etc/cron.??* jobs you actually should run nevertheless, because you need to add them to /etc/crontab again. E.g., you probably don't want to do without the backup of the rpmdb, or core and tmp cleanup, or updatedb, or the cyrus impad job. Be sure to repeat that check after you installed any updates, as they might change the intended actions. IMHO, it's not worth the hassle. Too much operational work, for not enough gain. Best, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany