[opensuse] How to create CD install media?
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I am asking how to go about creating CD based media to install v11.0 from. It would be useful for me and others to be able to create a set of CDs that has the full install. I would also like to know if it would be possible to create a stripped down customized 1 or 2 CD set as well. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
I am asking how to go about creating CD based media to install v11.0 from. It would be useful for me and others to be able to create a set of CDs that has the full install. I would also like to know if it would be possible to create a stripped down customized 1 or 2 CD set as well. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanx
I am not quite sure how you would do that. Back in the 9.x days there used to be multiple CD sets. My guess is that the basic idea would be to create repositories on CDs and then use the LiveCD as disc 1. However, I am not sure how to create a repository. And I am not sure how YaST would differentiate between the discs. I would start by researching how to create a repository. Then try to apply that to CDs. If you need an example and you have a DVD drive then you might try looking at the full DVD. Regards, Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Larry Stotler<larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
I am asking how to go about creating CD based media to install v11.0
http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI I thnik it's done exactly for such thing, but I don't now if its easy to use jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Michael Mientus wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
I am asking how to go about creating CD based media to install v11.0 from. It would be useful for me and others to be able to create a set of CDs that has the full install. I would also like to know if it would be possible to create a stripped down customized 1 or 2 CD set as well. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanx
I am not quite sure how you would do that. Back in the 9.x days there used to be multiple CD sets.
My guess is that the basic idea would be to create repositories on CDs and then use the LiveCD as disc 1. However, I am not sure how to create a repository. And I am not sure how YaST would differentiate between the discs.
I would start by researching how to create a repository. Then try to apply that to CDs. If you need an example and you have a DVD drive then you might try looking at the full DVD.
Regards, Mike
An easier method is to use the net install CD and save the DVD ISO image on a computer somewhere and share it. I've often done that and find it installs faster than with using a CD or DVD for the entire install. Quieter too. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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James Knott wrote:
Michael Mientus wrote:
I would start by researching how to create a repository. Then try to apply that to CDs. If you need an example and you have a DVD drive then you might try looking at the full DVD.
Regards, Mike
An easier method is to use the net install CD and save the DVD ISO image on a computer somewhere and share it. I've often done that and find it installs faster than with using a CD or DVD for the entire install. Quieter too.
Forgot to mention, the ISO image has to be loop mounted, so that it appears as a regular directory. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:26 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
An easier method is to use the net install CD and save the DVD ISO image on a computer somewhere and share it. I've often done that and find it installs faster than with using a CD or DVD for the entire install. Quieter too.
While I am easily about to do that, I am looking for CD based media for 2 reasons: 1. To condense what I actaully prefer to install down instead of having to go with a base install. This would drop the needed space to about 1-2CDs. Of course, that would probably mess up the pattern based install, so it wouldn't be as fast. 2. For people who either don't have a DVD drive, or don't have a DVD burner to make the DVD disk. I'm trying to target people new to Linux that won't have the experience neccessary to setup the loopback mount for the install. I want to make this as easy as possible. I'm more targeting a PPC setup than an i386 as well. Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Larry Stotler wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:26 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
An easier method is to use the net install CD and save the DVD ISO image on a computer somewhere and share it. I've often done that and find it installs faster than with using a CD or DVD for the entire install. Quieter too.
While I am easily about to do that, I am looking for CD based media for 2 reasons:
1. To condense what I actaully prefer to install down instead of having to go with a base install. This would drop the needed space to about 1-2CDs. Of course, that would probably mess up the pattern based install, so it wouldn't be as fast.
2. For people who either don't have a DVD drive, or don't have a DVD burner to make the DVD disk. I'm trying to target people new to Linux that won't have the experience neccessary to setup the loopback mount for the install. I want to make this as easy as possible. I'm more targeting a PPC setup than an i386 as well.
Thanx
The net install CD works fine in CD drives. As for CPU type, the server doesn't care what the image is for. In fact, you could have all 3 DVD images mounted and just use the appropriate net install CD. Also, IIRC, you can customize the CD to automagically set up the systems the way you want. This is a very desirable feature in large installations. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:10 PM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
The net install CD works fine in CD drives. As for CPU type, the server doesn't care what the image is for. In fact, you could have all 3 DVD images mounted and just use the appropriate net install CD. Also, IIRC, you can customize the CD to automagically set up the systems the way you want. This is a very desirable feature in large installations.
The net install cd isn't very useful for those I know with no high speed internet connection tho. Also, that still doesn't help those who don't know how to set up an ISO on a network. I'm targeting new users, not experienced users with this. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Larry Stotler wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:10 PM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
The net install CD works fine in CD drives. As for CPU type, the server doesn't care what the image is for. In fact, you could have all 3 DVD images mounted and just use the appropriate net install CD. Also, IIRC, you can customize the CD to automagically set up the systems the way you want. This is a very desirable feature in large installations.
The net install cd isn't very useful for those I know with no high speed internet connection tho.
Also, that still doesn't help those who don't know how to set up an ISO on a network. I'm targeting new users, not experienced users with this.
You don't need a high speed internet connection to install, just a local area network. You have to obtain the image some how, regardless of how you install. You can download the ISOs and burn your own disks, buy a boxed set or download the ISOs to a server, reachable on your local network. If you don't have a good enough connection to download the files then their only option is to buy the boxed version or get someone else to burn the CD or DVD. Regardless of how you obtain it, you can still do a network install. Setting it up is quite easy. You simply use the mount command to loop mount the ISO and share it. It's certainly easier than breaking down the DVD ISO into CD sized chunks. You can even place the DVD in a Windows box and share it that way. The net install is very easy. You just boot the CD and at the menu hit F4 to specify where to find the ISO and what protocol to use. After that, the install is identical to using a DVD. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
You don't need a high speed internet connection to install, just a local area network. You have to obtain the image some how, regardless of how you install. You can download the ISOs and burn your own disks, buy a boxed set or download the ISOs to a server, reachable on your local network. If you don't have a good enough connection to download the files then their only option is to buy the boxed version or get someone else to burn the CD or DVD. Regardless of how you obtain it, you can still do a network install. Setting it up is quite easy. You simply use the mount command to loop mount the ISO and share it. It's certainly easier than breaking down the DVD ISO into CD sized chunks. You can even place the DVD in a Windows box and share it that way. The net install is very easy. You just boot the CD and at the menu hit F4 to specify where to find the ISO and what protocol to use. After that, the install is identical to using a DVD.
Yep. And if you said any of that to a lot of Windows and MacOS users that I know, you would have already killed any chance of them trying out linux. They will be like: Well, I can get Windows on a CD, why do I have to go to all that trouble? I thought you said this was supposed to be better. Well, nevermind. I'm not going to try it now. Thanx anwya. Please, everyone, please stop offering instructions for something I know how to do. That's NOT the point of this thread. The point of this thread was about creating CD based install media, not offering work arounds to a problem that I personally feel should not exist. Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Larry Stotler wrote:
Well, I can get Windows on a CD,
wrong. vista is on a dvd and ost new computer don't even have a window support, but a "restore" system that wipe all the disk... jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:09 AM, jdd sur free <jdanield@free.fr> wrote:
wrong. vista is on a dvd and ost new computer don't even have a window support, but a "restore" system that wipe all the disk...
Sorry. Was refering to XP. Most people I know that have tried Vista dislike it and ask me to put XP on their systems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Yep. And if you said any of that to a lot of Windows and MacOS users that I know, you would have already killed any chance of them trying out linux. They will be like:
That's fine by me! The last thing I want is all my regular friends trying to use linux and me forced to either watch them struggle and suffer and be unhappy or spend every waking minute trying to keep up with all their myriad simple and not-simple-but-they-don't-know-that-and-I-have-to-try-to-explain-why issues. Now if our (I'm in the usa) education system and overall society and value system wasn't so retarded and backwards, maybe I'd feel differently, because in that case most people wouldn't be the deliberately helpless cripples they are now. When people have the attitude of pick up the ball and run with it, where they need reasonable hints and pointers and missing clues but will at least try to do as much as possible themselves, instead of expecting everything to either work like magic via mind reading and clairvoyance, or expecting everyone else to do everything for them (again requiring mind reading and clairvoyance, because they can't even be bothered to learn enough and think logically enough to merely EXPRESS what they want, let alone DO it), Sure, in that world I'd have a completely different attitude. I work towards that world instead of merely complaining it doesn't exist by: * Rewarding and providing as much help as possible to any target that doesnt' appear to be a waste of the effort, and try to do so in places where it will get archived and so can be googled up by anyone els elater, and because of that, try to test and verify any statements as much as possible so that they are valid reference material instead of junk. * When looking for help myself, I never expect or even want a finished and taylored answer but just the core/key rule that supplies the answer in general, or the non-obvious factor that I'm not seeing, a pointer to the direction to go but I do the actual going and I do all the tedious grunt work adapting that to my particulars of the moment myself. * When I do need a full complete, "you do it for me" answer, I happily pay for that, just as I happily expect the same. It all seems quite obvious and natural to me and I marvel that these things must be actually explained. Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-06-23 at 02:07 -0500, Michael Mientus wrote:
My guess is that the basic idea would be to create repositories on CDs and then use the LiveCD as disc 1.
A live uses much more memory than an install CD. A machine that doesn't have a DVD is probably older and low on memory. I believe the way to go is KIWI, but it would be nice to have some help or guidance from the suse/novell chaps that have done this in the past and know how to do it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIX4+WtTMYHG2NR9URAmzmAJ4hiUkWBKzwtL/UEfYVPOK/8SOr2wCfdiGd 1/JoeNSqfCB1xdFbfgR0e4E= =7kUL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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