[opensuse] Re: Two 11.1 Installation Problems
dilogsys@inter.net.il a écrit :
Environment: openSUSE 11.1 + KDE 4.1 (with a few adjustments), fresh install using clean partitions.
same here
Problem 1: After the first boot, the installation completed using yast in text mode. That was not so terrible, but after logging on for normal use, yast2 refused to run in GUI mode; the command line error message was "qt GUI missing" - No missing shared lib name given. Does anyone have a solution for this?
probably some bad option checked at install time. lauch yast (console mode), software and check "kde4" in the sheme
hope that there is a simple solution to this other than - re-install.
there is always one (but not always easy to find :-()
Problem 2: Midnight commander refuses to come up at all. It just hangs. I checked it by opening a full screen text mode session
how could you else do if you don't have a GUI???
mc is my most heavily used text mode management tool, so I've really ground to a halt.
use yast to reinstall mc did you install from cd, dvd or network? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412160445 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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From: jdd
dilogsys@inter.net.il a écrit :
Environment: openSUSE 11.1 + KDE 4.1 (with a few adjustments), fresh install using clean partitions.
same here
Problem 1: After the first boot, the installation completed using yast in text mode. That was not so terrible, but after logging on for normal use, yast2 refused to run in GUI mode; the command line error message was "qt GUI missing" - No missing shared lib name given. Does anyone have a solution for this?
probably some bad option checked at install time.
lauch yast (console mode), software and check "kde4" in the sheme
hope that there is a simple solution to this other than - re-install.
there is always one (but not always easy to find :-()
Problem 2: Midnight commander refuses to come up at all. It just hangs. I checked it by opening a full screen text mode session
how could you else do if you don't have a GUI???
No. Everything else looks fine. Only yast2 is playing up.
mc is my most heavily used text mode management tool, so I've really ground to a halt.
use yast to reinstall mc
did you install from cd, dvd or network?
Installed from a commercial third party DVD. (pctech101, http://pctech101.com/)
jdd
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2009-01-11 at 14:13 +0200, dilogsys@inter.net.il wrote:
Installed from a commercial third party DVD. (pctech101, http://pctech101.com/)
Then maybe those people didn't create the DVD right. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklqAUEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UZYACgjbOZwdP2pTNx4r2lh5YHNB0i tJMAnircfwR4AkM7tAnoGlJyZhJnTbxB =z/6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 January 2009 08:25:03 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2009-01-11 at 14:13 +0200, dilogsys@inter.net.il wrote:
Installed from a commercial third party DVD. (pctech101, http://pctech101.com/)
Then maybe those people didn't create the DVD right.
I don't think they actually create anything. It is just bad copy. It should be updated, but from online repositories. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello folks!
The problem has been solved -sort of. Before I explain a few things here, thanks to everyone who tried to help.
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What follows is written after considerable though - and I hope that someone out there in Novell/openSUSE is paying attention.
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I noticed that there several other problems with the system as installed, not the least of which, Firefox would not come up, insisting that there was an unresponsive copy running. ps -ef showed nothing that I could identify.
Since my installation is a production system i.e. for real work, I decided to go for a re-install under the following conditions:
1. I insist on my own partition setup.
2. I would choose a "standard" installation selection - KDE 4.1, and let it run to completion without interference.
3. I will take all the defaults offered along the way, as far as possible.
4. I will do all private software selections and system tweaking after the installation completes.
The results were fascinating in several ways:
1. The installation indeed completed successfully, with everything working as expected.
2. The "path" taken by the process was quite different from that when I predefined my software package choices in my first attempt. For one, the process used "images" of some sort to plonk everything on the hard disk and install from there; in that respect the installation went much faster than my first attempt. Further, things were done in a different order - for example, it did not try to validate my internet connection until after the first boot. Another oddity was the date / time setup: In my second attempt it did not try to connect me to the NTP server (which I don't need anyway) and mess up the hardware clock (which it did on the first attempt).
3. Despite the relative smoothness of my second installation, there were still a few disconcerting glitches: At least twice I was unexpectedly thrown back to the package manager (once after the automatic updates) and once a bit later. Now, to an old SUSE hand (from 6.1 if you please) that was fine; but it made me start to wonder about usability issues, to which I will return below. The other "glitch" (or perhaps a feature?) was that yast2 had a lot of things missing, requiring additional manual installation. The prime example was the DHCP server which is essential for using the box as a LAN server. I installed the DHCP server, but I had to look for and separately install the SUSE module needed to configure it. And while on this - where in 11.1 do you enable IP forwarding? In 10.3 there was a check box for it in the firewall setup. In 11.1 it's no longer there or anywhere else. (In the end I used the system configuration module to enable it, by hand.) Anyway, forewarned is fore-armed, and I'll be ready for this when I get to configure Samba ...
4. Back to usability: What of the obvious question: What would a Newbie do in such situations? Being unexpectedly thrown into an unfamiliar package manager would be disconcerting, to put it mildly. And what of LAN configuration? The Newbie answer is very simple: Go back to Win XP Pro where you can set up a small LAN "out of the box", without ever knowing about DHCP and IP forwarding - I know; I've done it.
Notwithstanding the fact that you get what you pay for, some of the usability issues (a polite euphemism for "screw-ups") point to a much deeper problem.
First, all the beta testing in the world by volunteers, who are for most part technical enthusiasts won't help. I find it hard enough myself, to enter into the mentality of a "monkey with two left thumbs" - but that's the level of 80% of the desktop market. If you don't agree, ask Microsoft! (What might help is another (major) issue beyond the scope of this note, and probably off-topic for this list.)
openSUSE (and presumably other Linux distributions) is just not for that market. The attempt by Novell/openSUSE to make the 11.1 installation process feel like an Win XP install - even to the extent of using bits of Microsoft terminology - cannot succeed.
What all this tells me is that there is a certain ambivalence (a polite euphemism for "lack of direction") in the Novell/openSUSE group about where openSUSE should be going. I even wonder if Novell wouldn't mind if openSUSE got quietly swallowed up by another Linux distributor or simply disappeared.
That is far more troubling than this or that installation glitch.
And I haven't even got around to assessing the 11.1 release from the point of view of day-to-day use.
I think that the point is clear and enough said here.
Regards,
Daniel
P.S. For Rajko: The DVD was fine - it passed the media check test, and none of the packages I used, were corrupt.
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From: "Rajko M."
On Sunday 11 January 2009 08:25:03 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2009-01-11 at 14:13 +0200, dilogsys@inter.net.il wrote:
Installed from a commercial third party DVD. (pctech101, http://pctech101.com/)
Then maybe those people didn't create the DVD right.
I don't think they actually create anything. It is just bad copy.
It should be updated, but from online repositories.
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dilogsys@inter.net.il wrote:
What follows is written after considerable though - and I hope that someone out there in Novell/openSUSE is paying attention.
Hi Daniel, FYI, general issues with the distro are probably better discussed on -factory or -project. It's certainly not frowned upon here, but you might get a better response on those other two lists.
The other "glitch" (or perhaps a feature?) was that yast2 had a lot of things missing, requiring additional manual installation. The prime example was the DHCP server which is essential for using the box as a LAN server. I installed the DHCP server, but I had to look for and separately install the SUSE module needed to configure it.
It's not _actually_ needed, but it would probably be reasonable to pull it in automagically.
And while on this - where in 11.1 do you enable IP forwarding?
Network Devices -> Routing.
4. Back to usability: What of the obvious question: What would a Newbie do in such situations? Being unexpectedly thrown into an unfamiliar package manager would be disconcerting, to put it mildly.
Daniel, first of all, any package manager would be unfamiliar to a newbie. Second, what is a newbie doing with IP forwarding and a DHCP server? Third, yesterday I did an 11.1 install (on a laptop via NFS over wlan) with one hand tied on my back. I chose KDE 3.5, deselected beagle, chose traditional network setup, chose LILO instead of GRUB (GRUB had a problem with my JFS filesystems), and that was it. I think a newbie with no need to change anything would do very well.
And what of LAN configuration?
If you've got a DHCP server, there's nothing to it. If you don't, well, you assign the address, netmask and default as instructed by your network admin. It's all in YaST under "Network Devices". If you don't have a network admin, you will need some rudimentary understanding of how a LAN works.
First, all the beta testing in the world by volunteers, who are for most part technical enthusiasts won't help. I find it hard enough myself, to enter into the mentality of a "monkey with two left thumbs" - but that's the level of 80% of the desktop market. If you don't agree, ask Microsoft! (What might help is another (major) issue beyond the scope of this note, and probably off-topic for this list.)
I think your suggestions would be very welcome on e.g. -project or -factory.
What all this tells me is that there is a certain ambivalence (a polite euphemism for "lack of direction") in the Novell/openSUSE group about where openSUSE should be going.
It's not a lack of direction, it's just that openSUSE is aiming in at least two different directions (SLES, SLED). /Per -- /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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dilogsys@inter.net.il a écrit :
Problem 2: Midnight commander refuses to come up at all. It just hangs. I checked it by opening a full screen text mode session
how could you else do if you don't have a GUI???
Maybe because running a "text" app doesn't require a GUI? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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