[opensuse] imapd on openSUSE 12.3
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system. So I thought I would do so via yast. In the xinetd section, when I try to enable imap (/usr/sbin/imapd), yast wants to install a package called 'imap'. However, it seems this package is not available. I did a search for 'imap' on the openSUSE site and the package claims to be available. But alas the actual installable seems not to be available. Is it just a repository issue? When I look at this: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE% 3A12.3&package=imap it seems the standard builds are disabled. That must make it rather difficult for yast to install it... Another question is why it insists on adding a package called imap when /usr/sbin/imapd is already installed via courier-imap-4.12.0-2.1.1.i586. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-04-17 at 10:48 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system. So I thought I would do so via yast. In the xinetd section, when I try to enable imap (/usr/sbin/imapd), yast wants to install a package called 'imap'. However, it seems this package is not available. I did a search for 'imap' on the openSUSE site and the package claims to be available. But alas the actual installable seems not to be available. Is it just a repository issue?
It may be wanting to install the original University of Washington imap (uw_imap), the previous reference imap implementation. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFueuUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WrWwCfSShsONmvdX2UkiIZVYXDiLeR Fa0AmwbfuAiL24G+aJ0y+l4wFnPlxm7k =hb4V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2013 01:35 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2013-04-17 at 10:48 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system. So I thought I would do so via yast. In the xinetd section, when I try to enable imap (/usr/sbin/imapd), yast wants to install a package called 'imap'. However, it seems this package is not available. I did a search for 'imap' on the openSUSE site and the package claims to be available. But alas the actual installable seems not to be available. Is it just a repository issue?
It may be wanting to install the original University of Washington imap (uw_imap), the previous reference imap implementation.
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On 04/17/2013 01:46 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 04/17/2013 01:35 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2013-04-17 at 10:48 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system. So I thought I would do so via yast. In the xinetd section, when I try to enable imap (/usr/sbin/imapd), yast wants to install a package called 'imap'. However, it seems this package is not available. I did a search for 'imap' on the openSUSE site and the package claims to be available. But alas the actual installable seems not to be available. Is it just a repository issue?
It may be wanting to install the original University of Washington imap (uw_imap), the previous reference imap implementation.
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tumbleweed Zypper search shows :
imap-devel | IMAP4rev1/c-client Development Environ-> | package | imapfilter | A mail filtering utility
- also : courier-imap | An IMAP and POP3 Server for Maildir MTAs | package | cyrus-imapd | The Cyrus IMAP and POP Mail Server | package | cyrus-imapd-devel | Libraries and Includes for Cyrus IMAPd
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On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 13:59 +0300, ellanios82 wrote:
On 04/17/2013 01:46 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
On 04/17/2013 01:35 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2013-04-17 at 10:48 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system. So I thought I would do so via yast. In the xinetd section, when I try to enable imap (/usr/sbin/imapd), yast wants to install a package called 'imap'. However, it seems this package is not available. I did a search for 'imap' on the openSUSE site and the package claims to be available. But alas the actual installable seems not to be available. Is it just a repository issue?
It may be wanting to install the original University of Washington imap (uw_imap), the previous reference imap implementation.
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tumbleweed Zypper search shows :
imap-devel | IMAP4rev1/c-client Development Environ-> | package | imapfilter | A mail filtering utility
- also : courier-imap | An IMAP and POP3 Server for Maildir MTAs | package | cyrus-imapd | The Cyrus IMAP and POP Mail Server | package | cyrus-imapd-devel | Libraries and Includes for Cyrus IMAPd
But, alas, nothing called 'imap', which is what Yast wants to install. Of course, Courier IMAPD starts via an RC script. Not via xinetd. When I used insserv to add a couple RC scripts, the daemon started. So it just seems that yast is unclear about it's intentions relative to imapd. Which one to install, and how to enable it... Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-04-17 at 13:13 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
But, alas, nothing called 'imap', which is what Yast wants to install.
The old name of package uw-imap was 'imap', IIRC. It could be a bug in yast still wanting it. Use the package search facility at the opensuse site or at http://webpinstant.com, not zypper search. That package has dissapeared, though (except for ubuntu). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFutGcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UhfQCgj1tzuVAXTitUS9mwZtTcNIxn 3OgAn24YBbg5Yv4fIkvNLUlTCDsTpkIA =slBT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system.
If your primary objective is IMAP support, I would recommend using dovecot. Purely my personal recommendation. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen said the following on 04/17/2013 07:22 AM:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system.
If your primary objective is IMAP support, I would recommend using dovecot. Purely my personal recommendation.
+1 its survived a couple of system upgrades and handles a huge base of files efficiently (aka: not much load on the system) -- "Security, the second oldest profession. Equal to the first only in the number of amateurs who partake!" - Brian Wilson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 13:22 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system.
If your primary objective is IMAP support, I would recommend using dovecot. Purely my personal recommendation.
I have been considering this. Is there any difference to the physical directory hierarchy compared to what Courier expects? I use procmail to filter my mail, and it leaves it in a Maildir. I seem to recall that there was some difference between Courier and other IMAP daemons. I will be moving the Maildir folders to a different machine. Perhaps I should copy then with a program that ensures the result is good with dovecot? Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer said the following on 04/17/2013 07:46 AM:
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 13:22 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system.
If your primary objective is IMAP support, I would recommend using dovecot. Purely my personal recommendation.
I have been considering this. Is there any difference to the physical directory hierarchy compared to what Courier expects? I use procmail to filter my mail, and it leaves it in a Maildir. I seem to recall that there was some difference between Courier and other IMAP daemons.
I will be moving the Maildir folders to a different machine. Perhaps I should copy then with a program that ensures the result is good with dovecot?
I've used dovecot with both mailbox and maildir format - its a configuration issue. RTFM and docco first. There are differences between v1 and v2 so make sure you read the right docco! I've had dovecot deal with BOTH at the same time. Maildir as a one-file-per-message (and them some) format and then dovecot will do its own indexing. For that reason I use resiserFS since then I don't have to worry about the umber of inodes needed. (I've had this discussion elsewhere to do with inn/news). If course this doesn't apply to the 'archive' branch which is in mailbox format. Problems: well, yes I had problems; Dovecot was different and I had to learn and new stuff and got confused by reading v2 docco when I should have been reading v1 ... -- Security should be as intuitive as possible. -- Bruce Schneier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 08:03 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Maildir as a one-file-per-message (and them some) format and then dovecot will do its own indexing. For that reason I use resiserFS since then I don't have to worry about the umber of inodes needed. (I've had this discussion elsewhere to do with inn/news).
If course this doesn't apply to the 'archive' branch which is in mailbox format.
Problems: well, yes I had problems; Dovecot was different and I had to learn and new stuff and got confused by reading v2 docco when I should have been reading v1 ...
I have looked a bit and there is in fact a migration tool that converts the courier Maildir DB into some dovecot Maildir information. I am not sure if it makes any changes in the folder layout as well. In addition, in my procmail rules, I see that the destination Maildir 'folders' are specified with a period between the levels, as in: ".OnLineShopping.NorwegianAir/" IIRC, this is not the case when Maildir will be managed by dovecot. Am I remembering correctly? Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer said the following on 04/17/2013 08:42 AM:
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 08:03 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Maildir as a one-file-per-message (and them some) format and then dovecot will do its own indexing. For that reason I use resiserFS since then I don't have to worry about the umber of inodes needed. (I've had this discussion elsewhere to do with inn/news).
If course this doesn't apply to the 'archive' branch which is in mailbox format.
Problems: well, yes I had problems; Dovecot was different and I had to learn and new stuff and got confused by reading v2 docco when I should have been reading v1 ...
I have looked a bit and there is in fact a migration tool that converts the courier Maildir DB into some dovecot Maildir information. I am not sure if it makes any changes in the folder layout as well.
In addition, in my procmail rules, I see that the destination Maildir 'folders' are specified with a period between the levels, as in:
".OnLineShopping.NorwegianAir/"
IIRC, this is not the case when Maildir will be managed by dovecot. Am I remembering correctly?
I don't know if if HAS to be but it isn't for me. Not quite. But then it may have to do with how you name folders. and whether you access them locally as well as via IMAP. But then I don't bother with all that. All my incoming mail is brought in from the various ISP mailboxes using fetchmail, which shoves it though Postfix which hands it off to procmail which runs it though SpamAssassin. SpamAssassin either puts it in INBOX, in which case any further processing is done by Thunderbird, or its spam and dumped in the spam folder. So the real intelligence in what goes where is either in Postfix or procmail. As for your conversion too; I didn't do that. What I saw happen was ... Well, apart from INBOX, I have dovecot pointed at a couple of other top-level folders (archive is one). When I fist ran it, there was a long delay as it walked them and built its indexes or whatever. I now have a hierarchy of and here-and-there such "dot-files" with various names. I think they have to do with Dovecot's indexing. The exist in both the Maildir and the Mailbox folders. If you look under that ".OnLineShopping.NorwegianAir/" I think you will find files with names like: dovecot.index.log dovecot.index dovecot.index.cache YMMV between v1 and v2. My advise is "Just get on with it". Of course, make backups first :-) -- "Most victories came from instantly exploiting your enemy's stupid mistakes, and not from any particular brilliance in your own plan." -- Orson Scott Card, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 09:11 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
But then I don't bother with all that. All my incoming mail is brought in from the various ISP mailboxes using fetchmail, which shoves it though Postfix which hands it off to procmail which runs it though SpamAssassin. SpamAssassin either puts it in INBOX, in which case any further processing is done by Thunderbird, or its spam and dumped in the spam folder.
I use procmail as well. It is the only place I sort my mail. I think SpamAssassin just rates the mail, and then you have a procmail rule to put it where you put junk. Mine is: # Check for SPAM # pipe files smaller than 256k through stand alone spamassassin :0fw * < 256000 | spamc # Spam :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes ".SPAM/"
My advise is "Just get on with it".
Of course, make backups first :-)
This is what I am doing. All is with a copy/snapshot. When I am happy I will do it again and then go live. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer said the following on 04/17/2013 09:53 AM:
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 09:11 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
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I use procmail as well. It is the only place I sort my mail. I think SpamAssassin just rates the mail, and then you have a procmail rule to put it where you put junk. Mine is:
Mine is a LOT more complex than that since I pre-process whitelist and blacklist to take the load off spamassassin. For example, this group is whitelisted. Spamassassin can give more information and I use that to categorise spam and have the bad culprits overflow into the blacklist. Not all is automated just in case ...
My advise is "Just get on with it".
Of course, make backups first :-)
This is what I am doing. All is with a copy/snapshot. When I am happy I will do it again and then go live.
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On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 10:27 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Mine is a LOT more complex than that since I pre-process whitelist and blacklist to take the load off spamassassin. For example, this group is whitelisted.
Same here. My 'whitelist' is handled by procmail. The spam rule is at the very end of the procmail rules, after all the things we recognize are safely stored. It is only the unknown that may be sent to SA and then, possibly, detained for further questioning. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer Ramböll RST / Systems Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-04-17 at 13:46 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I will be moving the Maildir folders to a different machine. Perhaps I should copy then with a program that ensures the result is good with dovecot?
Just move mails from one imap server to another using imap itself. There are several applications to do this type of migration, some commercial, some are included in the distribution. Ask again and I can spand a bit. This way how the mails are stored on each server is not relevant. Dovecot also has archival methods of its own, neither one file per mail, nor a huge file per folder. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFutUgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XkNQCdHy9Cr3EtGAI9Uog8DVh5unyp N5IAn3Ms8lM/HpkcuiO7yAUehrV3AMPh =o5N6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. said the following on 04/17/2013 10:44 AM:
Dovecot also has archival methods of its own, neither one file per mail, nor a huge file per folder.
That should read: Dovecot ALSO has .... You can configure it to use all three methods, each at a different location. -- "Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems. Normal people don't understand this concept; they believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet." - S. Adams -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 13:22 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I would like to enable courier IMAPD on an openSUSE 12.3 system.
If your primary objective is IMAP support, I would recommend using dovecot. Purely my personal recommendation.
I have been considering this. Is there any difference to the physical directory hierarchy compared to what Courier expects? I use procmail to filter my mail, and it leaves it in a Maildir. I seem to recall that there was some difference between Courier and other IMAP daemons.
I will be moving the Maildir folders to a different machine. Perhaps I should copy then with a program that ensures the result is good with dovecot?
That's not necessary, dovecot works with regular email/text files. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.3°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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