Dave Plater wrote:

On 07/09/2016 10:45, Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Plater wrote:

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I'm trying to turn a P3 computer with 128M ram into an nfs server so as I can access my pata drives. I made an os on suse studio based on 13.2 but it goes into a kernel panic as soon as the kernel starts. I still have a single PIII in production, it's running 11.3. I think it's going to be tough installing it in only 128Mb RAM, maybe if you add swap. I would still have thought any 32bit version should be fine, but you need more RAM.

The earliest openSUSE version still in obs is 11.4, I'm trying SLES11, the oldest that's available on suse studio. I couldn't even get the 13.2 to boot in virtualbox with 256M ram, it also had the kernel panic.

I don't think 256Mb is enough - maybe if you boot from DVD (which uses less memory). Btw, you can find many older openSUSE repos at : ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/discontinued/distribution/ -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/07/2016 04:45 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Plater wrote:

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I'm trying to turn a P3 computer with 128M ram into an nfs server so as I can access my pata drives. I made an os on suse studio based on 13.2 but it goes into a kernel panic as soon as the kernel starts.

I still have a single PIII in production, it's running 11.3. I think it's going to be tough installing it in only 128Mb RAM, maybe if you add swap. I would still have thought any 32bit version should be fine, but you need more RAM.

I have a few small factor machines from the previous century with P3s. They are provisioned with 1Gb and were intended to run W/XP which they did nicely. Yes, they can run Linux, I have suse 11.2 on them. if I try running a GUI it seems to take forever to do anything and lets face it, it takes a long time to boot, and yes they need to swap. Swap swap swap swap swap. if I turn off the GUI and shove in a second network card they make an acceptable dedicated firewall, DNS server, dhcp server and email gateway with filtering. Adding more memory, which is difficult given that its only 2 PC-100 slots, abates the swapping. You might look at one of the smaller installations/kernels. I only know of Puppydog Linux as a distribution, but some of the Linux based LiveCD diagnostics I have on USB sticks as small as 4Gb work just fine. They are stripped and purposed, so won't serve as a NFS server as well. You might check sites like https://livecdlist.com/ and others for a dedicated - aka otherwise stripped - NFS version. I also have under my desk a - also previous century - p4 laptop with 1.25G running 12.1 that I use as a file server and MariaDB server, LDAP server for the web site that rans on my well provisioned Dell Optiplex 755 four core Q6600. I recall back in the days of SCO UNIX installing it on a 512Mb Data General PC. I left it chugging after feeding it floppies while I went to the kitchen and made a coffee. (see "The Herc and the F-15" in airforce humor) and came back to find that the machine had blown up; as in emitting black smoke and being completely non-functional and having fused parts. I've never tried installing on 128Mb since. Seriously, I consider a 1Gb a minimum if you are going to do any 'server' things. realistically, I can head downtown to "Hi-tech Row" on College west of Spadina and find many stores that are selling ex-equipment/decommissioned PCs, the things that have been cycled out of corporate use as CCA allows and to meet the demands placed by later model Windows inability to run on early hardware brings about. There are plenty of machines in the CDN$100 range there, desktops and towers, that could run XP but now W/7, or W7 but not W/8 or W/10. Any of them run earlier model (320but) Linux pretty damn good. My neighbour threw out a nice AM motherboard; the CPU had dies. I replaced that, added $40 of RAM, a $20 DVD drive beside the CD drive that was there, a $50 1G drive from a store on "hi-tech Row" and LO! A server! For the most part, I have a 'Closet of Anxiety' ether old equipment from work or stuff people give me that's I hope you're not wedded to that 128Gb machine. There's so much else you can get for very little expenditure. I'd recommend ebay, but shipping chassis is expensive. Memory, CPUs, that's another matter :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2016-09-07 a las 10:04 -0500, Christopher Myers escribió:

What's nice about it too is you can use the CPU scheduler to dynamically turn cores on and off based on usage, so it normally sits there with just two cores powered on, but can kick up the other two if needed.

Oh! :-o - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlfQS9MACgkQja8UbcUWM1yrrgD/dmmJH8Mkluq6u1HHN0rHDMhV BhXXpXvGiLRLPA1y7DUA/icMmoFWlVzyLqgVqhrb//Rwq9xeHAjg8dbpX8xHBUb5 =gFZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 07/09/2016 11:30, jdd wrote:

Le 07/09/2016 à 10:13, Dave Plater a écrit :

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I'm trying to turn a P3 computer with 128M ram into an nfs server so as I can access my pata drives. I made an os on suse studio based on 13.2 but it goes into a kernel panic as soon as the kernel starts.

I don't think it's possible, 128 Mb is no more enough. May be you can try puppy (http://puppylinux.org/main/Download%20Latest%20Release.htm) or simply throw away this obsolete computer and use any more modern computer, with 512 Mo RAM :-). You may find one for free or at max $50

jdd

I'm a financially disadvantaged person and the P3 was free but I may succeed yet the SLES11 image is starting up and hasn't failed yet. My current computer hasn't got pata interfaces and only a pci express slot so I need the P3 to access my pata drives. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/07/2016 05:15 AM, Dave Plater wrote:

I'm a financially disadvantaged person and the P3 was free

Dave, there are many, and I mean many, quite capable old, out of date and unused computers laying around. Hell, I took one to the dumpster a few months ago myself. Perfectly good machine but no one wanted it. You should be able to have a donated machine for the asking. The key is in the asking. How you do it and where you do it and from whom... anyway, Craigslist has a "free" section that sometimes has what you want, there are linux users groups with forums where you can ask, etc. Someone, somewhere has a machine just for you that they would be glad to part with. Good luck in your quest. Hopefully it will be short and successful. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/09/2016 18:04, jdd wrote:

Le 07/09/2016 à 17:25, Stevens a écrit :

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sometimes has what you want, there are linux users groups with forums where you can ask, etc. Someone, somewhere has a machine just for you that they would be glad to part with.

I'm sure of that :-)

by the way, can you share where you live (approximately, not the precise address)?

jdd

I'm in Cape Town South Africa and after trying SLES11 sp2, all I need is a couple of 256M pc100 ram sticks. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Plater composed on 2016-09-07 20:38 (UTC+0200):

I'm in Cape Town South Africa and after trying SLES11 sp2, all I need is a couple of 256M pc100 ram sticks.

I remember machines of that era commonly being very picky about which RAM sticks would work. Commonly, density in readily available (newer) sticks is too high, too few chips for the amount of RAM per stick, so either only half the stick is recognized, only one stick is recognized, or the machine won't even POST. Likely the sticks you need will have 16 chips, 8 on each side. My two oldest machines used for QA and such have: model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) cpu MHz : 996.776 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU 1133MHz cpu MHz : 1129.566 I have TW running on both. IIRC, I was never able to find a matched pair of PC100 256M the slower would accept, so it's stuck crawling along on 384M, having been upgraded many times since initially installing Factory on it long long ago, as has been the newer. Though the older hasn't been updated since 31 Dec., I updated the newer/faster on 23 Aug. to 4.6.4 or 4.7.1. Best of my recollection, booting the newer is not a problem. It has KDE3, but MGA (non-KMS) AGP video. Besides being a victim of https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=856606 I don't remember much else about it other than it is fully populated with 512M RAM in two sticks. I don't expect to be able to boot it for the foreseeable future. My test stations are currently on hiatus, likely until such time as I've finished Hermine cleanup. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed 07 Sep 2016 07:53:00 AM CDT, Christopher Myers wrote:

Out of curiosity -- do you need this for ongoing access, or just a one-time "I need to get data off of these disks" access?

If it's a "one-time only" type thing, maybe check at your local university's IT department -- they might be willing to let you use a PATA-USB adapter. Or might even have some really old memory in their parts boxes.

Hi I grabbed a couple of these to use on my SunBlade 150 with 36GB SATA Raptors. they are bi-directional... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M7YJI6Y/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 They have gone up a couple of $ since I got mine.... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° LFCS, SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE Leap 42.1|GNOME 3.16.2|4.1.27-27-default up 9 days 13:21, 4 users, load average: 0.38, 0.18, 0.13 CPU AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 @ 2.90GHz | GPU Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Dave Plater wrote:

I used to have a similar box in about 2000, it had 256M of ram and I had SuSE 6.4 (I think) on one hard drive and win98se on the other. Worked with a 56k modem. It's predecessor a P1 used to take nearly two days to autoroute a pc board with orcad, the P3 took only four hours. (Still took a day to fine tune). I'm in Cape Town, bit far away.

Well, the fact that most distros require 1GB of RAM now is rather sad, but not unexpected. I ran up to 11.x on P3 machines with 256-512MB all the time. My server has 32GB RAM but my day to day machine is a Core2 laptop with 3GB RAM. I only retired my Thinkpad A30p(P3/1.2Ghz 1GB RAM) back in 2013 because of the IDE drive(max of 320GB where my Thinkpad T60p currently has a 2TB and I stay with the T60p because it was one of the last 4x3 laptops and it's 16000x1200 resolution). The biggest memory hog I run is firefox. top shows it using 1.35GB with only 12 tabs open(That's with NoScript locking down most javascript and no flashplayer running). I have 12.1 installed on a P3/600 with 512MB RAM running LXDE and it's usable. My Workpad Z50 Windows CE Machine has 48MB RAM(which I'm upgrading to 64MB by soldering 2 RAM sticks to it's motherboard) and it runs NetBSD 5.x as well. I first ran S.u.S.E. v5.3 on a Pentium 100Mhz with 32MB RAM. As I pointed out some time ago, people fall all over themselves to support the Rasp Pis and stuff which are underpowered and un-expandable RAM-wise, but then tell everyone they need 2GB or more to run a desktop. I had a programmer tell me once that he codes to take advantage of what resources he can, versus making the code efficient and small. Remember, NASA went to the moon without a microprocessor and a lot of the space probes are using 200Mhz G3s with 64-256MB RAM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 9/7/2016 3:00 PM, Larry Stotler wrote:

s I pointed out some time ago, people fall all over themselves to support the Rasp Pis and stuff which are underpowered and un-expandable RAM-wise, but then tell everyone they need 2GB or more to run a desktop.

Well then, there's your answer to this whole thread. Forget the Pentium 3, and get a Raspverry Pi 3 Model B for a whopping 35 bucks. Or for 5 bucks more get twice the memory and gigabit ethernet. Both are quad cores. In one year will save enough electricity by trashing the PIII and running one of these to pay for itself. Twice. I'm not writing any mountain of code on my Ras-Pi3, but I do read a lot of email, and surf a lot of forums and web sites on it. It runs LibreOffice just fine. Pop one microsd card out and another in, and its a totally different machine. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 08/09/2016 à 01:08, John Andersen a écrit :

On 9/7/2016 4:04 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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Or for 5 bucks more get twice the memory and gigabit ethernet.

Forgot to explain that bit ... Was going to insert a url for the Odroid-C2 http://odroid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:odroid-c2

Will run Ubuntu, Android, Fedora, ARCHLinux, Debian.

but pata drives? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/08/2016 08:30 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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but pata drives?

I suppose the drivers are still there, should work; but few test them, I suppose.

I think he means the hardware interface. The answer is probably no, but that hasn't stopped my using PATA drives with my SATA-only motherbaord. The adaptors cost me under US$3.00 on ebay. Are there going to be USB-to-PATA? Of course. This was #1 on a google search. SATA/PATA/IDE Drive to USB 2.0 Adapter Converter https://www.amazon.ca/Drive-Adapter-Converter-Optical-External/dp/B002OV1VJW I wonder if I can get my old PATA/IDE drives working with my Android phone? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 08/09/2016 à 14:30, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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but pata drives?

I suppose the drivers are still there, should work; but few test them, I suppose.

but no connector :-( and usb are few jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Anton Aylward 09/08/16 8:55 AM >>> Plenty of them on the Odroid-C2

Oh I'm SUCH a nerd... http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143452239825 combined with http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143599699669 .:drool:. That's like my U3 on steriods... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 08/09/2016 à 21:57, John Andersen a écrit :

On 9/8/2016 12:45 AM, jdd wrote:

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but pata drives?

What is this "drive" thing you mention in regard to cigarette pack sized computers?

Its got eMMc and UHS-1 Microsd slots and a boat load of usb ports. http://www.hardkernel.com/main/_Files/prdt/2016/201602/C2BoardDetail.jpg

the OP wants to use his pata drives, it's the primary demand jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2016-09-07 a las 18:00 -0400, Larry Stotler escribió:

Well, the fact that most distros require 1GB of RAM now is rather sad, but not unexpected.

Run, it runs in less. You can have swap. And it depends on your workload. My home server machine runs 13.1 in half a gigabyte.

Remember, NASA went to the moon without a microprocessor and a lot of the space probes are using 200Mhz G3s with 64-256MB RAM.

But they don't run Linux, either. Probably no operating system. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlfQpgMACgkQja8UbcUWM1xgrAD/T2iZpOPw/AmKCxsmBhxxD+ZB iu7sYEXihU/sAvIQG0AA/0afH9jrL47XILbBDKHg9F1v7rf/T2quSBLegA/zu9Jr =bbFQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----