Hello All, I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection. The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution. The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network. Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this? Thanks, .:Thinker
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
You could do that.. You could also turn to www.smoothwall.org for a out-of-the-box firewall/router/gateway. But then, you can't do anything else on that box. Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting
On Mon August 16 2004 10:50 am, Thinker wrote:
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
Lots of answers to this. You can use SUSE's firewall on the spare machine and use http://susefaq.sourceforge.net/guides/fw_manual.html as a guide. There are other Linux firewall products such as Shorewall (http://shorewall.net/) and FWBuilder (http://www.fwbuilder.org/) and there are even CD or floppy based firewalls to get really secure. Webmin is also another option for configuring. There are the small home/office router/firewall/Ethernet switches put out by Linksys/Cisco, Netgear, SMC and others. Some of the Linksys and others are Linux based and there are 3rd party firmwares available that can make these very attractive alternatives to a full PC router/firewall. Less power consumption, no fan noise, dedicated to specific purpose without hard drives, floppies, CDs, etc to maintain. Short answer: yes, SUSE can be used for this. Long answer: yes, there are lots of choices! Stan
Thinker,
I use IPCop at home with a cable modem and it is
awesome.
www.ipcop.org
Greg
--- Thinker
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
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Quoting Thinker
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
SuSE can do this fairly easily. It just takes some of your time. If you have more money than time, use a hardware router/firewall like those from LinkSyS, etc. <blatant plug> For help on setting up the firewall, see: http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=8989/ur0408c/ </plug> I have done it both ways. The firewall/router machine should not be your main machine. The other residents will not appreciate you "experimenting" and trashing their Internet connection. The firewall/router should be very stable, both hardware and software. Whichever route you go, keep it up to date. A Linux box will be more flexible and can be made more secure. A hardware router requires less space, less air conditioning, and less time. Put firewalls on all the computers in addition to the dedicated router/firewall, where available. E.g., my WinXP computer has a firewall because WinXP includes a firewall, the Win98 and Win2k computer do not. (Yes, I'm cheap.) All my Linux computers have firewalls. HTH, Jeffrey
Jeffrey wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] Have Cable Broadband ... need Router' on Mon, Aug 16 at 11:25:
Quoting Thinker
: [snip] The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the [...]
SuSE can do this fairly easily. It just takes some of your time. If you have more money than time, use a hardware router/firewall like those from LinkSyS, etc.
I wanna stick in a plug for SnapGear stuff here. They're all the fun of a dedicated router in a case with no moving parts, combined with most of the fun of being able to insert arbitrary iptables commands and generally editing config settings. I love mine. :) A full PC is nice if you need to, say, install different kernel modules to handle some of the screwy filtering needs some of us have, but for just sharing a connection and doing simple NAT for regular home users, a full PC is generally overkill. --Danny, who still uses full-size PCs for most routing/firewalling, but is slowly moving to the few-second boot time and low power consumption of the embedded devices...
Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:
Quoting Thinker
: [snip] The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
SuSE can do this fairly easily. It just takes some of your time. If you have more money than time, use a hardware router/firewall like those from LinkSyS, etc.
<blatant plug> For help on setting up the firewall, see:
http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=8989/ur0408c/
</plug>
I have done it both ways. The firewall/router machine should not be your main machine. The other residents will not appreciate you "experimenting" and trashing their Internet connection. The firewall/router should be very stable, both hardware and software. Whichever route you go, keep it up to date.
A Linux box will be more flexible and can be made more secure. A hardware router requires less space, less air conditioning, and less time. Put firewalls on all the computers in addition to the dedicated router/firewall, where available. E.g., my WinXP computer has a firewall because WinXP includes a firewall, the Win98 and Win2k computer do not. (Yes, I'm cheap.) All my Linux computers have firewalls.
HTH, Jeffrey
I've heard that the LinkSys router has a limit to the number of ports that can be configured which is a bind if you are doing lots of stuff like VOIP, VPN, gnomemeeting/Netmeeting, gtk-gnutella etc. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
I just want to make one general comment on this since there have been
some very good replies.
IMHO: There should be a dedicated firewall between any 24x7 connection,
whether cable modem, DSL, Satellite, or other. Even a simple NAT box
like the Linksys routers are much better than none. (But be careful of
the wireless so as not to allow others to use your connection).
But, as a good method of protection, turning on firewall software in
each node in the internal network provides an extra level of protection,
and can also indicate if the firewall is doing its job.
And, the final issue is properly configuring the firewall. A
Linksys-type of router is inexpensive and will serve many home networks
well because it does not require much configuration. A more
sophisticated firewall may lead to complacency and can be easily
misconfigured.
--
Jerry Feldman
Thinker wrote:
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
Thinker This will work a treat. I have been doing for years, in fact I don't bother with the spare machine - I just use my workstation as the router - although some do not recommend this I cannot see the problem, apart having to have your work station on all the time for the network. I set eth0 to DHCP and the cable modem picks up the IP address from my ISP and then I have a static IP addressed internal network. I suspect that if it is a home network you will not have that many computers to network, I find it easier that way to sort out any network issues. Just set eth1 as 192.168.0.1 and set the other computers in the network 192.169.0.2 etc. Point the default gateway in each of the networked puters to 192.168.0.1. Set up the fire wall on your router. One thing I have found is to make sure the firewalls of the networked boxen are off otherwise I have found issues with file sharing etc. Nick
nick murphy wrote:
Thinker wrote:
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
Thinker This will work a treat. I have been doing for years, in fact I don't bother with the spare machine - I just use my workstation as the router - although some do not recommend this I cannot see the problem, apart having to have your work station on all the time for the network. I set eth0 to DHCP and the cable modem picks up the IP address from my ISP and then I have a static IP addressed internal network. I suspect that if it is a home network you will not have that many computers to network, I find it easier that way to sort out any network issues. Just set eth1 as 192.168.0.1 and set the other computers in the network 192.169.0.2 etc. Point the default gateway in each of the networked puters to 192.168.0.1. Set up the fire wall on your router. One thing I have found is to make sure the firewalls of the networked boxen are off otherwise I have found issues with file sharing etc.
Nick
Having just read this on the list I noticed the mistake. The internal network should be adressed 192.168.0.2 - etc, up to the number of computers in the network. This will only work if you have a small number of computers to network as keeping track of the IP adressess become difficult if there are too many. Nick
Thinker wrote:
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
Some of us use BBIagent, http://BBIagent.net which is a floppy install and accessed from a remote browser that's java enabled or using javaws. It lets you set up everything in a simple manner without having to delve into NAT internals, it's very flexible, I use it to pass ports for internal machines for hamradio VOIP, gtk-gnutella, gnomemeeting, Cisco VPN to our corporate servers when I was a working fellow, etc. The only thing is it looks like it's not been developed in a while. The guy was hoping to sell a package that would allow saving the config to floppy or other media, so when I have to take it down and up again, it takes a few minutes to set it up again. I'm just using an old Cyrix M200+, 16M, 2x ethernet cards and a floppy. Does the business, though I'm thinking of getting something on CD, I've seen others, but searching on freshmeat last night, I couldn't find any - forgot the names of the ones I've seen. If you want a Rolls Royce setup, http://www.astaro.com, it does the works, anti-virus spam, content filtering, VPN, multiple ethernet connections to the inside/outside etc., I gather it's a big hit with the Corporates and it's free to thee and me. I first used it about 5+ years ago, then it only supported the internal etherenet and dial-up. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
It seems like overkill to devote a whole computer, and its AC power lust to use as a firewall router, when the Linksys BEFSX41 is well under $100 lately, takes about 5" x 7" on the desktop, and draws minimal power from a wall-wart. I bought a machine to do that some years ago, and then realized how ridiculous it was. If you were going to do a server, that would be different. Just my 2C plain. --doug At 11:50 AM 8/16/2004 -0400, Thinker wrote:
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
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Hello This depends on a lot of things. For simply sharing an Internet connection and setting up a firewall with DHCP, the Linksys router is the way to go. However, if you want to run a Web, Email, FTP server, etc., it wouldn't hurt to make this the firewall computer anyway. If you host mission critical data though, be careful :). Also, I'm not too sure if Adelphia permits servers on their connections. Ben On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 17:40, Doug McGarrett wrote:
It seems like overkill to devote a whole computer, and its AC power lust to use as a firewall router, when the Linksys BEFSX41 is well under $100 lately, takes about 5" x 7" on the desktop, and draws minimal power from a wall-wart. I bought a machine to do that some years ago, and then realized how ridiculous it was. If you were going to do a server, that would be different. Just my 2C plain. --doug
At 11:50 AM 8/16/2004 -0400, Thinker wrote:
Hello All,
I have just switched from Phone line DSL to Cable Modem Broadband. The bad news is, in order to get support from Adelphia, I have to use one of their preapproved cable modems for the connection.
The good news is, I have a spare machine and a couple of Network cards here that I can use for a router, and I hear that Linux is very good for just such a solution.
The question is, does the latest SuSE have an out-of-the-box fix for sharing a broadband connection? I am thinking I can come out of the cable modem into the Linux box on eth0 and have it handle the Firewall/Routing and DHCPing. Then come out of the linux box on eth1 to the switch and wireless access point connecting my other machines and my laptop to the network.
Make sense? If so, is SuSE my answer or should I be looking for another way to do this?
Thanks,
.:Thinker
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participants (11)
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Anders Norrbring
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Ben Sheron
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Danny Sauer
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Doug McGarrett
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Gregory Lumpkin
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Jeffrey L. Taylor
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Jerry Feldman
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nick murphy
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Sid Boyce
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SRGlasoe
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Thinker