The end of pop3 on gmail?
Hello, I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird. Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
Le 03/05/2022 à 11:40, Gustav Degreef a écrit :
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
* use imap * make a filter to move your mails out of imap account (IE local account) jdd -- http://dodin.org http://valeriedodin.com
On 5/3/22 05:44, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 03/05/2022 à 11:40, Gustav Degreef a écrit :
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
* use imap * make a filter to move your mails out of imap account (IE local account)
jdd
Thanks a lot, I had some vague notion that there might be a way to do something like that. Sounds like the solution I am looking for. How do I do that? Can you point me to something I can read to be able to set that up? Gustav
Le 03/05/2022 à 12:02, Gustav Degreef a écrit :
On 5/3/22 05:44, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 03/05/2022 à 11:40, Gustav Degreef a écrit :
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
* use imap * make a filter to move your mails out of imap account (IE local account)
jdd
Thanks a lot, I had some vague notion that there might be a way to do something like that. Sounds like the solution I am looking for. How do I do that? Can you point me to something I can read to be able to set that up? Gustav
tools->message filters jdd -- http://dodin.org http://valeriedodin.com
On 2022-05-03 11:40, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Hello,
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird.
I have not seen any notice of them phasing out pop3, but I don't suppose it works with oauth2. Why is not pop3 available with app passwords in Thunderbird? Th has no idea that the password is special. AFAIK, you have to: - activate 2FA on account (on gmail web page) - this allows application passwords, so generate one for Th, and use it as usual. Just configure Th to use pop3.
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
Even with pop3 the default is to leave all mail on google servers, that's a different setting. And with imap you can also download and delete on server, but using fetchmail instead. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <3029ea1d-3388-e569-a02f-2d8697f5ecb1@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Tue, 3 May 2022 11:59:04 +0200 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: [...] CER> I have not seen any notice of them phasing out pop3, but I don't suppose it CER> works with oauth2. It is about Google Workspace users, not free Gmail users. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "It should never be said that it is OK to ignore the theoretical as long as it becomes a tool." -- T. Mori (The original is in Japanese) --
On 2022-05-03 12:33, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <3029ea1d-3388-e569-a02f-2d8697f5ecb1@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Tue, 3 May 2022 11:59:04 +0200
[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:
[...] CER> I have not seen any notice of them phasing out pop3, but I don't suppose it CER> works with oauth2.
It is about Google Workspace users, not free Gmail users.
I have two Gsuite accounts, like the ieee.org one. Didn't hear a thing, in fact, oauth is not enforced there at all. Complete silence when using on a different computer or location. No silliness. Each GSuite admins sets his own different rules, apparently. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <dd75e5ba-54a8-2edf-fdb8-e0f101d93e48@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Tue, 3 May 2022 12:37:35 +0200 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: [...] MN>> It is about Google Workspace users, not free Gmail users. CER> I have two Gsuite accounts, like the ieee.org one. Didn't hear a CER> thing, in fact, oauth is not enforced there at all. Complete CER> silence when using on a different computer or location. No CER> silliness. CER> Each GSuite admins sets his own different rules, apparently. If you're one of them, you should have received a notice from Google telling you that you can't use it from June 1. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "It should never be said that it is OK to ignore the theoretical as long as it becomes a tool." -- T. Mori (The original is in Japanese) --
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2022-05-03 at 19:51 +0900, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <dd75e5ba-54a8-2edf-fdb8-e0f101d93e48@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Tue, 3 May 2022 12:37:35 +0200
[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:
[...] MN>> It is about Google Workspace users, not free Gmail users.
CER> I have two Gsuite accounts, like the ieee.org one. Didn't hear a CER> thing, in fact, oauth is not enforced there at all. Complete CER> silence when using on a different computer or location. No CER> silliness.
CER> Each GSuite admins sets his own different rules, apparently.
If you're one of them, you should have received a notice from Google telling you that you can't use it from June 1.
I just did a word search on the bodies of my email (@ieee.org) since 2020-08, and the word "oauth" does not appear. Thunderbird is configured to use oauth2, but alpine is set to use plain imap+ssl. I have another Gsuite account at another professional organization, same thing. I can grep for any other word if you like :-) Only my free gmail accounts got the warning. One is used for my Android phone, so I set up 2FA/2SV and then application passwords for each of postfix/alpine instances. Another I use for mail lists sometimes, so not associated to a phone. But it has a recovery phone, and that is enough to recive an SMS which counts for 2FA/2SV, so using that and application passwords. Thunderbird is happy with Oauth2. But postfix can't, so using application password. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYnFIaRwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVbVoAoIu2S+hA5kh3E7kcgUq9 FFitXULDAJ4y259UwOsZEa+vgogtNF4vxlyqew== =2gH9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Thunderbird is happy with Oauth2. But postfix can't,
Completely off-topic in this thread, but there is an oauth2 sasl plugin for postfix (and other MTAs) to use. I have not tried it, ymmv. https://github.com/moriyoshi/cyrus-sasl-xoauth2 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.1°C)
On 2022-05-03 17:35, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Thunderbird is happy with Oauth2. But postfix can't,
Completely off-topic in this thread, but there is an oauth2 sasl plugin for postfix (and other MTAs) to use. I have not tried it, ymmv.
Thanks. Not going to try, unless Gmail goes even more nuts aka paranoid, and disables application passwords. But it is good to know it exists. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <62AE730D.6030509@tlinx.org> Date & Time: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 17:51:25 -0700 [LAW] == L A Walsh <suse@tlinx.org> has written: LAW> On 2022/05/03 03:51, Masaru Nomiya wrote: MN> > If you're one of them, you should have received a notice from Google MN> > telling you that you can't use it from June 1. LAW> Still using account+pw authentication on my gsuite account (and it is LAW> definitely past the June 1 deadline. You are a personal user, aren't you? Above description is for the ornaizational users. Carlos is an organizational user, and he already adopted Oauth2 authentication. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Bill! You married with Computer. Not with Me!" "No..., with money."
On 2022-06-18 19:51:25 L A Walsh wrote:
On 2022/05/03 03:51, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
If you're one of them, you should have received a notice from Google telling you that you can't use it from June 1.
--- Still using account+pw authentication on my gsuite account (and it is definitely past the June 1 deadline.
Mine continued to work until I installed Leap 15.4 on a separate drive and rebooted. Fortunately, I only used it to receive mailing list stuff for a few products; but it's irritating because I no longer have a login password for gmail. Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.12 tde-config: 1.0
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <202206190324.44332.jlturriff@mail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 03:24:44 -0500 [JLT] == J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com> has written: JLT> On 2022-06-18 19:51:25 L A Walsh wrote: JLT> >On 2022/05/03 03:51, Masaru Nomiya wrote: JLT> >> If you're one of them, you should have received a notice from Google JLT> >> telling you that you can't use it from June 1. JLT> > JLT> >--- JLT> > Still using account+pw authentication on my gsuite account (and it is JLT> >definitely past the June 1 deadline. JLT> Mine continued to work until I installed Leap 15.4 on a JLT> separate drive and rebooted. Fortunately, I only used it to JLT> receive mailing list stuff for a few products; but it's JLT> irritating because I no longer have a login password for gmail. Can't you use the password recovery method provided by Google? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "It should never be said that it is OK to ignore the theoretical as long as it becomes a tool." -- T. Mori (The original is in Japanese) --
On 2022-06-19 03:47:35 Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: The end of pop3 on gmail? Message-ID : <202206190324.44332.jlturriff@mail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 03:24:44 -0500
Can't you use the password recovery method provided by Google?
Regards.
--- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡
Well, the last time I tried their webpages weren't cooperating, but this time, after jumping through a number of hoops and guessing a lot about my account name, I succeeded! (Yay!) Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.12 tde-config: 1.0
On 2022-06-19 02:51, L A Walsh wrote:
On 2022/05/03 03:51, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
If you're one of them, you should have received a notice from Google telling you that you can't use it from June 1.
--- Still using account+pw authentication on my gsuite account (and it is definitely past the June 1 deadline.
Gsuite users are not affected. It is the administration of those group or business accounts who decide what they apply. For example, @ieee.org mails, which are on gsuite, are not affected. But private users of the free gmail accounts are affected. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 5/3/22 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-03 11:40, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Hello,
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird.
I have not seen any notice of them phasing out pop3, but I don't suppose it works with oauth2.
Why is not pop3 available with app passwords in Thunderbird? Th has no idea that the password is special.
AFAIK, you have to:
- activate 2FA on account (on gmail web page) - this allows application passwords, so generate one for Th, and use it as usual. Just configure Th to use pop3.
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
Even with pop3 the default is to leave all mail on google servers, that's a different setting. And with imap you can also download and delete on server, but using fetchmail instead.
I set it up to delete all mail from the server. With pop, I can do that and still keep the mail in my Tbird folers from as far back as I want. I leave nothing on the gmail server. As I understand it, with imap if you delete from the server you delete the local copy slso. The approach jdd suggested I like because it alows me to keep all the incoming or outgoing messages (copies). I don't yest understand all the steps, but I'll figure it out. I've heard about fetchmail, but don't know if is as simple as jdd's approach. Thanks, Gustav
Hallo Gustav Degreef, op 03-05-2022 om 13:47 schreef je: [...]
As I understand it, with imap if you delete from the server you delete the local copy slso. [...]
In 'Thunderbird/Local folders' you can make as many folders as you like, and store emails there. They will be no longer on the imap server. -- Harrie Baken
On 5/3/22 11:09, Harrie Baken wrote:
Hallo Gustav Degreef, op 03-05-2022 om 13:47 schreef je: [...]
As I understand it, with imap if you delete from the server you delete the local copy slso. [...]
In 'Thunderbird/Local folders' you can make as many folders as you like, and store emails there. They will be no longer on the imap server.
It seems simple to configure, I'm going to try it. And it would seem that jdd's suggestion to use filters, fits in here. I can direct the mail to specific local folders. Thanks, Gustav
On 2022-05-03 13:47, Gustav Degreef wrote:
On 5/3/22 05:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-05-03 11:40, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Hello,
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
Even with pop3 the default is to leave all mail on google servers, that's a different setting. And with imap you can also download and delete on server, but using fetchmail instead.
I set it up to delete all mail from the server. With pop, I can do that and still keep the mail in my Tbird folers from as far back as I want. I leave nothing on the gmail server. As I understand it, with imap if you delete from the server you delete the local copy slso.
Not if you use fetchmail instead.
The approach jdd suggested I like because it alows me to keep all the incoming or outgoing messages (copies). I don't yest understand all the steps, but I'll figure it out. I've heard about fetchmail, but don't know if is as simple as jdd's approach. Thanks, Gustav
I can explain the details (for Thunderbird filter), if you wish :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 03.05.2022 12:40, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Hello,
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird.
Out of curiosity I configure POP3 gmail account in TB and it used (existing) oauth2 just fine.
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:40 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird.
where is the primary source for this notification from google? I have read about such stuff back in 2019 but these days there is oauth also for pop3 and imap, and it is in their developers pages given that pop3 uses oauth token (for each and every app/access specifically generated separately) as well <https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/xoauth2-protocol#pop_protocol_exchange>
On 5/3/22 08:00, cagsm wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:40 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird. where is the primary source for this notification from google? I have read about such stuff back in 2019 but these days there is oauth also for pop3 and imap, and it is in their developers pages given that pop3 uses oauth token (for each and every app/access specifically generated separately) as well
<https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/xoauth2-protocol#pop_protocol_exchange>
This is what I got: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: You may lose access to some of your third-party apps Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 01:43:05 GMT From: Google <no-reply@accounts.google.com> To: user@gmail Google On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure sign-in technology user@gmail.com To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your username and password. Instead, you’ll need to sign in using Sign in with Google <https://accounts.google.com/AccountChooser?Email=55.rada@gmail.com&continue=https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/112802?rfn%3D1651196585577%26anexp%3Dnret-fa> or other more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0. Learn more <https://accounts.google.com/AccountChooser?Email=55.rada@gmail.com&continue=https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?rfn%3D1651196585577%26anexp%3Dnret-fa> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *What do you need to do?* *Email software, like Outlook 2016 or earlier,* has less secure access to your Gmail. Switch to Office 365, Outlook 2019 or newer, or any other email software where you can sign in using *Sign in with Google*. Learn more <https://accounts.google.com/AccountChooser?Email=user@gmail.com&continue=https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?rfn%3D1651196585577%26anexp%3Dnret-fa> And this is what I read that explains that Oauth 2.0 will not work with pop3: https://scottiestech.info/2022/03/08/make-thunderbird-work-with-your-gmail-a... Gustav
On 04.05.2022 05:22, Gustav Degreef wrote:
On 5/3/22 08:00, cagsm wrote:
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 11:40 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird. where is the primary source for this notification from google? I have read about such stuff back in 2019 but these days there is oauth also for pop3 and imap, and it is in their developers pages given that pop3 uses oauth token (for each and every app/access specifically generated separately) as well
<https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/xoauth2-protocol#pop_protocol_exchange>
This is what I got:
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: You may lose access to some of your third-party apps Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 01:43:05 GMT From: Google <no-reply@accounts.google.com> To: user@gmail
Google On May 30, you may lose access to apps that are using less secure sign-in technology user@gmail.com
To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account using only your username and password. Instead, you’ll need to sign in using Sign in with Google <https://accounts.google.com/AccountChooser?Email=55.rada@gmail.com&continue=https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/112802?rfn%3D1651196585577%26anexp%3Dnret-fa> or other more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0. Learn more <https://accounts.google.com/AccountChooser?Email=55.rada@gmail.com&continue=https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?rfn%3D1651196585577%26anexp%3Dnret-fa> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *What do you need to do?*
*Email software, like Outlook 2016 or earlier,* has less secure access to your Gmail. Switch to Office 365, Outlook 2019 or newer, or any other email software where you can sign in using *Sign in with Google*.
I fail to find the statement "our POP3 service does not work with oauth2" in this mail.
And this is what I read that explains that Oauth 2.0 will not work with pop3:
https://scottiestech.info/2022/03/08/make-thunderbird-work-with-your-gmail-a...
This link starts with the statement "TB stops work with POP3" without providing a single source or proof for it. It takes at most 5 minutes test TB with oauth2 to see for yourself, but apparently you prefer trusting random Internet site and jumping through the hoops. Your choice.
And this is what I read that explains that Oauth 2.0 will not work with pop3:
https://scottiestech.info/2022/03/08/make-thunderbird-work-with-your-gmail-a...
This link starts with the statement "TB stops work with POP3" without providing a single source or proof for it.
It takes at most 5 minutes test TB with oauth2 to see for yourself, but apparently you prefer trusting random Internet site and jumping through the hoops. Your choice. Your statemnts are encouraging, I will definitelytry it. If I have to over and over to try to get it to work. The above link is only one of
the things I read. I looked a great deal and found nothing supporting that it does work. Admittedly, I am visually impaired and I may not have looked in the right places. Thanks for your input, Gustav
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 1:59 PM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:
And this is what I read that explains that Oauth 2.0 will not work with pop3:
https://scottiestech.info/2022/03/08/make-thunderbird-work-with-your-gmail-a...
This link starts with the statement "TB stops work with POP3" without providing a single source or proof for it.
It takes at most 5 minutes test TB with oauth2 to see for yourself, but apparently you prefer trusting random Internet site and jumping through the hoops. Your choice. Your statemnts are encouraging, I will definitelytry it. If I have to over and over to try to get it to work. The above link is only one of the things I read. I looked a great deal and found nothing supporting that it does work. Admittedly, I am visually impaired and I may not have looked in the right places. Thanks for your input, Gustav
On 5/4/22 07:10, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 1:59 PM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:
And this is what I read that explains that Oauth 2.0 will not work with pop3:
https://scottiestech.info/2022/03/08/make-thunderbird-work-with-your-gmail-a...
This link starts with the statement "TB stops work with POP3" without providing a single source or proof for it.
It takes at most 5 minutes test TB with oauth2 to see for yourself, but apparently you prefer trusting random Internet site and jumping through the hoops. Your choice. Your statemnts are encouraging, I will definitelytry it. If I have to over and over to try to get it to work. The above link is only one of the things I read. I looked a great deal and found nothing supporting that it does work. Admittedly, I am visually impaired and I may not have looked in the right places. Thanks for your input, Gustav
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1369945 Perfect! That link helped me solve it! Yes, really it took less than 5 minutes for each account with that info. I had looked at qute a few Mozilla support forum pages without finding an answer. Thank you so much! Gustav
On 2022-05-03 5:40 a.m., Gustav Degreef wrote:
Hello,
I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird.
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
I don't know if this applies in your case, but the world has been moving to IMAPS for years. I haven't used POP3 for several years. If you have more than one device, you really want IMAP anyway, to keep your email synced across all devices.
On 2022/05/03 02:40, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?
Google has their own version of IMAP that keeps a separate "all messages" folder that keeps a copy of all your incoming messages in a folder that is not IMAP accessible so you have to login to really delete them. I'd be real surprised if they didn't do the same with POP3 and keep another copy somewhere to do the same with POP as they did with IMAP -- keep another copy that you have to login to delete manually. Don't ask me where it is with POP3 though, as I just know where it is with IMAP (*sigh*).
On 6/18/22 20:54, L Walsh wrote:
On 2022/05/03 02:40, Gustav Degreef wrote:
Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers? Google has their own version of IMAP that keeps a separate "all messages" folder that keeps a copy of all your incoming messages in a folder that is not IMAP accessible so you have to login to really delete them.
I'd be real surprised if they didn't do the same with POP3 and keep another copy somewhere to do the same with POP as they did with IMAP -- keep another copy that you have to login to delete manually. Don't ask me where it is with POP3 though, as I just know where it is with IMAP (*sigh*).
I don't think this is correct. Thunderbird has a setting to delete mail from the server after downloading to a local folder. This is what I have been doing for years. The only thing that I have to log into Gmail to delete are the "sent" messages from thunderbird (sent via smtp.gmail.com). They remain on the website "sent" folder until I delete them. When I log in and click on "All mail" it shows nothing. After reading your message I logged in to the gmail wesite and looked in every single folder - ever yone of them is empty. That is why I use pop3, I don't want anyone to be able to look in my account and see private info. I know Google probably has the mails somewhere on their servers, but as far as I can see it is not in one convenient location for someone else to see. Unless there is some "hidden" folder in my account that I don't know how to access. Gustav
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