Re: [opensuse] ISOs and LAN network install
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Excellent! I thought I might end up doing something like this. YaST now starts up, the GUI appears, it 'probes mouse', puts up the rather neat little clock/hourglass thing, and then freezes after asking the FTP server for /media.1/installfiles, /media.1/info.txt, /part.info, and /driverupdate, none of which appear to have been on any of the five ISOs, and slightly strangely, don't appear to be on those net installation repositories I've just had a quick look at (download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/, and www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/). Hum. Many thanks for your help. :) PJ. -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
CwCrei wrote:
and then freezes after asking the FTP server for
... edited highlights of the server log, showing all the requests, with those that failed indicated: 23:30:11 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/boot/i386/root 23:30:35 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/media.1/installfiles 23:30:35 550 File transfer failed 23:30:36 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/content 23:30:36 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/media.1/info.txt 23:30:36 550 File transfer failed 23:30:36 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/media.1/license.zip 23:30:36 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/part.info 23:30:36 550 File transfer failed 23:30:36 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/control.xml 23:30:37 RETR /ftproot/suse-10.1/install/driverupdate 23:30:37 550 File transfer failed ... at which point YaST hangs. :/ Take care, PJ. -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-22 17:44, CwCrei wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
<snip> (download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/, and www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/).
Can you initiate an installation from either of these sources? You can use either http or ftp to mirrorservice.org, but I believe you have to use http only to download.opensuse.org. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-22 17:44, CwCrei wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
http://en.opensuse.org/Network_Installation_Source <snip> (download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/, and www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/).
Can you initiate an installation from either of these sources?
No. Same problem. YaST (I assume the GUI I'm looking at is YaST) hangs at the same place...
You can use either http or ftp to mirrorservice.org, but I believe you have to use http only to download.opensuse.org.
I've only tried ftp.mirrorservice.org, given that I'm trying to install from a local FTP server. download.opensuse.org is missing the same files though, or my net installer is asking for files it doesn't need, or something. See also: ftproot\suse-10.1\CD1>md5sum -c MD5SUMS2.txt SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-CD1.iso: FAILED SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-CD2.iso: FAILED SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-CD3.iso: FAILED SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-CD4.iso: FAILED SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-CD5.iso: FAILED md5sum: SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-mini.iso: No such file or directory SUSE-Linux-10.1-Remastered-i386-mini.iso: FAILED open or read md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 6 listed files could not be read md5sum: WARNING: 5 of 5 computed checksums did NOT match Hmm. The five ISOs were retrieved sing the torrent from en.opensuse.org - the mini ISO was downloaded directly (either from opensuse.org, or one of the mirrors, I don't recall). The mini ISO filename I have is: SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso, which md5sum reports as: ftproot\suse-10.1\CD1>md5sum SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso 2856068334b8b0f9af7a88ae66d573fc *SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso ... although I have a slight concern that my two copies of md5sum are both crippled, but... Many thanks, PJ. -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
<snip>
Can you initiate an installation from either of these sources?
No. Same problem. YaST (I assume the GUI I'm looking at is YaST) hangs at the same place... I have been all over Novell's bugzilla and cannot (yet) find anything
On 2006-11-23 05:44, CwCrei wrote: that seems remotely related to your problem. When yast appears to hang, are you still able to switch to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F2? If so, run save_y2logs /tmp/y2logs.tar.bz2 then mount any convenient media, eg a floppy, and copy the file to it. Then file a bug report at https://bugzilla.novell.com (you need an account at Novell, free to create one, to do this) and attach the file to the report.
ftproot\suse-10.1\CD1>md5sum SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso 2856068334b8b0f9af7a88ae66d573fc *SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso
This checksum is correct. What file were you using to compare sums? The correct sums are in ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/iso/MD5SUMS -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 16:21 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
<snip>
Can you initiate an installation from either of these sources?
No. Same problem. YaST (I assume the GUI I'm looking at is YaST) hangs at the same place... I have been all over Novell's bugzilla and cannot (yet) find anything
On 2006-11-23 05:44, CwCrei wrote: that seems remotely related to your problem.
<snip> Are you sure that it hangs or is it just taking a very long time to read the package info? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
Are you sure that it hangs or is it just taking a very long time to read the package info?
I've left it for more than an hour, with the hourglass mouse pointer frozen and no response from any input device. I'd say that's fairly well hung... :) PJ. -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
<snip> Can you initiate an installation from either of these sources? No. Same problem. YaST (I assume the GUI I'm looking at is YaST) hangs at the same place... I have been all over Novell's bugzilla and cannot (yet) find anything
On 2006-11-23 05:44, CwCrei wrote: that seems remotely related to your problem.
You 'n' me both...
When yast appears to hang, are you still able to switch to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F2?
No. The machine is 100%, completely, totally and utterly stiffed. As dead as a very dead thing. I tried installing it on another machine, in case it was a hardware problem, but this time I got the error that there wasn't enough memory to run YaST. It's a very *old* machine... :)
ftproot\suse-10.1\CD1>md5sum SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso 2856068334b8b0f9af7a88ae66d573fc *SUSE-Linux-10.1-GM-i386-mini.iso This checksum is correct.
Indeed. It's the filename that was wrong.
What file were you using to compare sums? The correct sums are in ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/iso/MD5SUMS
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/iso/MD5SUMS ... although that redirects to: http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/iso/MD5SUM... The checksum file you suggest is exactly the same. Checking my ISOs against it gives failures on all five i386 discs, but an OK on the mini.iso with the correct filename. BTW: I've also tried booting with textmode=1, which did cause YaST to revert to text mode, but it still hung in the same place... Many thanks for all your help and suggestions, PJ. -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-23 18:02, CwCrei wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote: <snip>
When yast appears to hang, are you still able to switch to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F2?
No. The machine is 100%, completely, totally and utterly stiffed. As dead as a very dead thing. OK, take what information you have, including the ftp log extract, and file a bug report. Be sure to state very clearly that the system is hung, and you cannot get to a console.
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/iso/MD5SUMS
... although that redirects to:
http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/iso/MD5SUM...
Yes, download.opensuse.org automatically redirects you to some other "suitable" server.. the definition of "suitable" being wholly unclear to me (it isn't necessarily geography, because Yast keeps suggesting servers in Germany and Hungary to me, though I think that locations across the Atlantic are not necessarily "close" :-) ).
Many thanks for all your help and suggestions,
Not a problem.. I just wish we could have got a handle on this. If you do get a resolution, please be sure to post a follow-up here, even if just the URL of a bug report on the Novell bugzilla. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-23 18:02, CwCrei wrote:
Many thanks for all your help and suggestions,
Not a problem.. I just wish we could have got a handle on this.
If you do get a resolution, please be sure to post a follow-up here, even if just the URL of a bug report on the Novell bugzilla.
Okay, well, no bug report, but here's the progress to date... I stripped the machine I had been attempting to install 10.1 on and used the memory and HDD along with a different FDD, NIC, video card, sound card and CD-ROM (the original machine had built-in sound and video), to build up a dual 500MHz P3 'board I've had sitting around waiting to be turned into a server. I find it hard to believe that YaST is so badly written that it completely stiffs an entire machine just because it can't find a file. So the fact that the machine stiffs must indicate some more fundamental problem. So I booted the newly built machine with the net-install CD, the BIOS warned me that my HDD was about to die, which I ignored 'cause there's damn all I can do about it right now, pointed YaST at my LAN's FTP server, and off it went - *far* further than it did last time. I was suprised that it took almost three quarters of an hour to download the initial installation system (/boot/i386/root) from the FTP server. *Way* slower than the previous machine. This is over a 100Mbps LAN! But when it got there, I got a different screen, with the Novell 'N' in the top left corner, and a rather nice 'throbber' in the middle at the bottom, and the installation continued. YaST makes something like another 170 requests from the FTP server, all of which succeed, until it asks for /add_on_products, which fails (I added the contents of the non-OSS ISO to the other five SuSE ISOs on the FTP server, which may or may not have been the right thing to do). I get a couple of complaints along the way about being unable to find 'add-ons', whatever they are, but eventually I get to 'Installation Settings', and under the 'Software' sub-heading, I get, "Cannot read package data from installation media. Media Error? ERROR. No proposal." I fiddle around with the 'Software Selection and System Tasks', selecting all the software packages, but when I try to continue, I get a popup window full of multiple "Dependency conflict, there are no installable providers of...", errors. Trying to proceed from the 'Installation Settings', screen, gives me the error, "The proposal contains an error that must be resolved before continuing." The only error is under the 'Software' subheading, and I can't resolve that, so I can't proceed... Roughly a decade ago, I took Colin Plumb's MD5 C source and wrote a recursive checksum utility - point it at a directory and it'll work it's way through the structure, calculating checksums for every file it encounters. It was a bloody useful tool back then, and I could do with it again right now. I can't make md5sum do the same - I assume it only does single files. What I really need is checksums of everything on a functioning 10.1 installation site, to compare with what I've put together on mine by copying everything off the ISOs into a single directory... But then, I don't see anything called 'add_on_products' on the mirrorservice.org site either... So, in summary: The hung machine was almost certainly down to a hardware problem of some sort (I may investigate this at some point, depending on how much other people care - I've got to give the machine away for my parents to run XP on before too long, which it was doing reasonably well for me up until a few months ago) - I have got much further down the road with a different MoBo, NIC, video and sound cards. However, I still appear to have problems with missing files on my FTP server which are stopping YaST from progressing. Two steps forward... :) Take care. :) PJ - NP: Ease / PiL. Sakamoto, Baker, *and* Vai... :) -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-24 19:19, CwCrei wrote:
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I find it hard to believe that YaST is so badly written that it completely stiffs an entire machine just because it can't find a file. So the fact that the machine stiffs must indicate some more fundamental problem. Well, you did suggest there is a serious hardware problem. Possibly it isn't Yast, but the hardware that is hanging on some eternal retry. I was suprised that it took almost three quarters of an hour to download the initial installation system (/boot/i386/root) from the FTP server. *Way* slower than the previous machine. This is over a 100Mbps LAN! Ibid. YaST makes something like another 170 requests from the FTP server, all of which succeed, until it asks for /add_on_products, which fails
Instead of adding the non-oss stuff to the other structure, you should probably try the same as on the opensuse mirrors: <server_name>/<path-to-opensuse>/install <---- OSS install sources <server_name>/<path-to-opensuse>/non-oss <---- guess what? :-) Otherwise, you may wind up overwriting some important files (eg. contents of the media.1 directory). Also, re-do the install sources structure just to make sure you got it right. If you did it manually before, try the Yast method, and vice versa. You may instead wish to re-master the 5 CD images into one DVD image (http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs), which you can then mount (mount -o loop) on the server and use directly as an installation source. Lots of options, but in the end, your local source certainly should look identical to the "official" mirrors (except for local pathname differences).
But then, I don't see anything called 'add_on_products' on the mirrorservice.org site either... <blahblah>/non-oss.
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Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Instead of adding the non-oss stuff to the other structure, you should probably try the same as on the opensuse mirrors:
<server_name>/<path-to-opensuse>/install <---- OSS install sources <server_name>/<path-to-opensuse>/non-oss <---- guess what? :-)
Otherwise, you may wind up overwriting some important files (eg. contents of the media.1 directory).
Indeed, although I got the same failure before adding the non-OSS stuff - that action was an attempt at curing the problem, and I was too lazy to go and check what the path should be...
Also, re-do the install sources structure just to make sure you got it right. If you did it manually before, try the Yast method, and vice versa. You may instead wish to re-master the 5 CD images into one DVD image (http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs), which you can then mount (mount -o loop) on the server and use directly as an installation source.
I just followed the instructions on the website, from a URL posted here a few days ago. Don't forget that the FTP server is running on an XP box, because that's all I have available. Using a Linux tool to create a DVD image is not an option. Why couldn't they just make the ISOs small enough to fit on standard CDRs? Then I wouldn't be trying to do this in the first place... *sigh*
Lots of options, but in the end, your local source certainly should look identical to the "official" mirrors (except for local pathname differences).
Yeah. It would be nice... :) I'm going to bed, or I'm going to have to start foregoing the traditional kettle/mug combination and begin eating the coffee granules directly out of the jar instead... :) Take care, PJ. -- Imagine how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" � The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-24 20:11, CwCrei wrote:
<snip> I just followed the instructions on the website, from a URL posted here a few days ago. Don't forget that the FTP server is running on an XP box, because that's all I have available. Using a Linux tool to create a DVD image is not an option. Why couldn't they just make the ISOs small enough to fit on standard CDRs? Then I wouldn't be trying to do this in the first place... *sigh* They do -- no one but you has used 740 MB CDs for over 5 years now :-)
I'm going to bed, or I'm going to have to start foregoing the traditional kettle/mug combination and begin eating the coffee granules directly out of the jar instead... :) Since I am out of ideas, file that bug report first :-)
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PS... On 2006-11-23 18:02, CwCrei wrote:
I tried installing it on another machine, in case it was a hardware problem, but this time I got the error that there wasn't enough memory to run YaST. It's a very *old* machine... :)
128 MB is insufficient to install SuSE 9.3, and I am certain that hasn't changed for 10.x. If you have the modules available and can upgrade that system to 256MB or more, try that, but after the system is installed, you'll probably need at least 512MB swap available with only that much memory. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
128 MB is insufficient to install SuSE 9.3, and I am certain that hasn't changed for 10.x. If you have the modules available and can upgrade that system to 256MB or more, try that, but after the system is installed, you'll probably need at least 512MB swap available with only that much memory.
Hmm, that's a pity. Is it not possible to do a very cut-down installation? I was pointed towards SuSE by a couple of people after saying I was looking for a small installation to turn an old computer into a small HTTP/FTP server I can hang off the ORANGE interface of my IPCop box. It runs Win98 acceptably right now, and as I'm only seeking a command line driven, lightly loaded server... That's not to say I don't plan a full install too. I have a dual 700MHz P3 machine with 512MB which has been hijacked by my girlfriend, but when I get it back, it'll be given the Linux treatment (again - I did download Fedora Core 5, but the installation was such a diasaster, with a number of bugs that had to be diagnosed and dealt with, that I eventually gave up), and will be used to run SAMBA, as well as performing desktop tasks with an X server on my XP box... ... or, at least, that's the plan. :) Take care, PJ. -- Image how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-24 18:08, CwCrei wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
128 MB is insufficient to install SuSE 9.3, and I am certain that hasn't changed for 10.x. If you have the modules available and can upgrade that system to 256MB or more, try that, but after the system is installed, you'll probably need at least 512MB swap available with only that much memory.
Hmm, that's a pity. Is it not possible to do a very cut-down installation? I was pointed towards SuSE by a couple of people after saying I was looking for a small installation to turn an old computer into a small HTTP/FTP server I can hang off the ORANGE interface of my IPCop box. It runs Win98 acceptably right now, and as I'm only seeking a command line driven, lightly loaded server... If you have a previously existing swap partition, you may be able to activate that. The primary reason I can think of for such a large memory requirement is that no one can anticipate all the requirements of everyone who installs SuSE, nor even the hardware that might be available. There are a lot of configuration options that must be loaded at some point, and if they were all only loaded when they are needed, every installation probably would be slowed tremendously. (Now someone from opensuse can come along and tell us the real reason :) )
The miniSuSE project http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE may be of interest to you for this system. The project seems to be in a very early stage of development, though. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-24 18:08, CwCrei wrote:
If you have a previously existing swap partition, you may be able to activate that.
Yeah, it offered me that option. A bit, "chicken and egg", though, on a FAT32 disc. :)
The primary reason I can think of for such a large memory requirement is that no one can anticipate all the requirements of everyone who installs SuSE, nor even the hardware that might be available. There are a lot of configuration options that must be loaded at some point, and if they were all only loaded when they are needed, every installation probably would be slowed tremendously. (Now someone from opensuse can come along and tell us the real reason :) )
Indeed. I remember the days of trying to get Linux up on a 40MHz 486 with a couple of MB RAM (didn't work - it was actually a second processor inside an ARM RISC based machine. It ran Windows 3.1, inside a window, beautifully, but the BIOS emulation was a bit of a kludge - it worked with Windows, but not with Linux. The authors were receptive to my request to support Linux, but said it was unlikely ever to be financially viable, which it wasn't).
The miniSuSE project http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE may be of interest to you for this system. The project seems to be in a very early stage of development, though.
Thanks. I'll take a look. There must be something suitable out there. PJ. -- Imagine how, it would be, To be at the top, making cash money. Go on tour, all around the world, Tell stories about, all the young girls. (Prodigy "Girls") ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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