[SuSE Linux] New Linux User
Hello, Well, this Wednesday, I finally plucked up courage and installed Linux onto my home PC. Nothing great for you guy's and gal's, but for a total newbie to anything other than MS Windows, it was a big step. Biggest problem's I had were trying to get my graphics card to work (Diamond Fire GL1000 Pro), and I could not get X Windows configure my mouse. I had to get a new server for my graphics card, and had to disable USB support in my PC Bios. All in all, quite a painless task, and now I have a totally new OS to play around with. Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?, and are there any C.A.D. Programs that run under Linux? Thanks Tim Delbaere - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Hi, On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Delbaere, Tim wrote:
Well, this Wednesday, I finally plucked up courage and installed Linux onto my home PC. Nothing great for you guy's and gal's, but for a total newbie to anything other than MS Windows, it was a big step.
Welcome to the club :)
Biggest problem's I had were trying to get my graphics card to work (Diamond Fire GL1000 Pro), and I could not get X Windows configure my mouse. I had to get a new server for my graphics card, and had to disable USB support in my PC Bios. All in all, quite a painless task, and now I have a totally new OS to play around with.
Congratulations.
Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?, and are there any C.A.D. Programs that run under Linux?
As far as CAD programs are concerned: there's Microstation, Arcad and some other free implementations. There are plenty of books available, I find it hard to recommend a certain one. Maybe you should start with "Linux for Dummies" (no pun intended) or "Running Linux". You should have a look at your local book store. Bye, LenZ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH <A HREF="mailto:grimmer@suse.de">mailto:grimmer@suse.de</A> Schanzaeckerstr. 10 <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/~grimmer"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/~grimmer</A">http://www.suse.de/~grimmer</A</A>> 90443 Nuernberg, Germany - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Delbaere, Tim wrote:
Well, this Wednesday, I finally plucked up courage and installed Linux onto my home PC. Nothing great for you guy's and gal's, but for a total newbie to anything other than MS Windows, it was a big step.
Welcome to the club :)
Biggest problem's I had were trying to get my graphics card to work (Diamond Fire GL1000 Pro), and I could not get X Windows configure my mouse. I had to get a new server for my graphics card, and had to disable USB support in my PC Bios. All in all, quite a painless task, and now I have a totally new OS to play around with.
Congratulations.
Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?, and are there any C.A.D. Programs that run under Linux?
As far as CAD programs are concerned: there's Microstation, Arcad and some other free implementations. There are plenty of books available, I find it hard to recommend a certain one. Maybe you should start with "Linux for Dummies" (no pun intended) or "Running Linux". You should have a look at your local book store.
Usually, I find your advice very usable, unfortunately not this time. I just borrowed Linux for Dummies at a local library, and I was apalled at the errors and mistakes in the book. For instance in the description of the ls command, they insist on option 1 (number one) instead of l (letter L) for long format. Even worse is, that they are probably not allowed to distribute the Linux Cd accompanying the book... Yes, it sounds strange that they should not be allowed, when all the rest of us are, but in their end user license agreement at the end of the book, they specifically FORBID ANY COPYING and REDISTRIBUTION of any material on the CD. And the GPL says that if you accept the GPL, you must follow the rules therein. If you do not follow those rules, you do not have any of the rights granted in the GPL. The other book, Running Linux, however is useful. Regards Ole
Bye, LenZ
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Hi, On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Ole Kofoed Hansen wrote:
Usually, I find your advice very usable, unfortunately not this time.
I just borrowed Linux for Dummies at a local library, and I was apalled at the errors and mistakes in the book. For instance in the description of the ls command, they insist on option 1 (number one) instead of l (letter L) for long format.
Even worse is, that they are probably not allowed to distribute the Linux Cd accompanying the book... Yes, it sounds strange that they should not be allowed, when all the rest of us are, but in their end user license agreement at the end of the book, they specifically FORBID ANY COPYING and REDISTRIBUTION of any material on the CD. And the GPL says that if you accept the GPL, you must follow the rules therein. If you do not follow those rules, you do not have any of the rights granted in the GPL.
I apologize. I must admit, that I've never looked in this book by myself. I just read about others recommending it to newbies, I've given up on reading books about Linux. They get obsolete so fast... ;-)
The other book, Running Linux, however is useful.
I'd like to add, that we also have a package "books", which contains a selection of Books in PostScript format, like "Linux Installation and getting started" - Matt Welsh, "Linux Network Administrators Guide" - Olaf Kirch and the "Linux Users Guide" - Larry Greenfield. Bye, LenZ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH <A HREF="mailto:grimmer@suse.de">mailto:grimmer@suse.de</A> Schanzaeckerstr. 10 <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/~grimmer"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/~grimmer</A">http://www.suse.de/~grimmer</A</A>> 90443 Nuernberg, Germany - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On 5 Feb, Delbaere, Tim wrote:
Hello,
Well, this Wednesday, I finally plucked up courage and installed Linux onto my home PC. Nothing great for you guy's and gal's, but for a total newbie to anything other than MS Windows, it was a big step. Biggest problem's I had were trying to get my graphics card to work (Diamond Fire GL1000 Pro), and I could not get X Windows configure my mouse. I had to get a new server for my graphics card, and had to disable USB support in my PC Bios. All in all, quite a painless task, and now I have a totally new OS to play around with.
Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?, and are there any C.A.D. Programs that run under Linux?
Thanks Tim Delbaere - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
I like the manual which ships with SuSE 5.3 because it seems split into the parts I can digest the easiest and I also like a "Practical Guide to Linux" by Sobell. Sobell's book is not oriented toward any particular brand of linux and it is written in a way that I can read and take away. To get an idea about applications across the spectrum, take a look at the Linux Utilities and Applications Page at: <A HREF="http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linux.shmtl"><A HREF="http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linux.shmtl</A">http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linux.shmtl</A</A>> This is one of those pages you bookmark and come back to often. Take care and have fun!! -- Michael E. Perry mperry@basin.com ------------------ - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Michael Perry wrote:
To get an idea about applications across the spectrum, take a look at the Linux Utilities and Applications Page at:
<A HREF="http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linux.shmtl"><A HREF="http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linux.shmtl</A">http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linux.shmtl</A</A>>
This is one of those pages you bookmark and come back to often.
I believe the URL is <A HREF="http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapps.shtml"><A HREF="http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapps.shtml</A">http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapps.shtml</A</A>> It is an excellent resource. -- __ _ Mark Wagnon -o) / / (_)__ __ ____ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / <A HREF="mailto:mwagnon@ixpres.com">mailto:mwagnon@ixpres.com</A> _\_v____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On Fri, 05 Feb 1999, you wrote:
Hello,
Well, this Wednesday, I finally plucked up courage and installed Linux onto my home PC. Nothing great for you guy's and gal's, but for a total newbie to anything other than MS Windows, it was a big step. Biggest problem's I had were trying to get my graphics card to work (Diamond Fire GL1000 Pro), and I could not get X Windows configure my mouse. I had to get a new server for my graphics card, and had to disable USB support in my PC Bios. All in all, quite a painless task, and now I have a totally new OS to play around with.
Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?, and are there any C.A.D. Programs that run under Linux?
The three books that never leave my side are: "Running Linux", Matt Welch and Lar Kaufman, O'Rielly and Associates; "UNIX Power Tools" by Jerry Peek, Tim O'Reilly and Mike Loukides, O'Reilly and Associates and "Essential System Administration" by AEleen Frisch, O'Reilly and Associates. If you're getting the impression that O'Reilly and Associates make great books on UNIX and Linux, you're paying attention. The latter two are more general UNIX info, but very useful. Running Linux is the bible. Well, I've heard Linus is a cad...oh! You mean computer aided design ;-) Doing a search at Google on "CAD/CAM", I came up with this: <A HREF="http://sal.kachinatech.com/E/2/index.shtml"><A HREF="http://sal.kachinatech.com/E/2/index.shtml</A">http://sal.kachinatech.com/E/2/index.shtml</A</A>> Looks like most of the CAD stuff is still commercial, but I did notice one effort for a GPL CAD program in there. -- lunaslide * PGP key->pgpkeys.mit.edu port 11371 * * * * * * In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is * getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. * -Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas * * * * * * - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Delbaere, Tim wrote:
Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?, and are there any C.A.D. Programs that run under Linux?
Thanks Tim Delbaere Well, I think it depends a bit on what you want to learn and why you use Linux as well. Are you into programming? Are you coming at it purely from a user standpoint? How much detail do you want?
I think there are a number of good beginner texts out there ( which you'll rapidly outgrow). Running Linux is a good starting Linux specific text. ( I'm sure we'll see it recommended several times.) Beginning Linux Programming is a good intro for programming Linux on intel. There are also some good basic Unix books that with some care can be applied to Linux ( keeping in mind, that some Unix commands and programs act slightly differently from their GNU counterparts, with the latter being an improvement or degradation depending on your viewpoint and taste. :-), in this regard, I would include the good, but somewhat dated Essential System Administration for the 'next level' of books, as it goes a bit beyond just learning basic commands to actually getting more familiar with scripting, and the details and philosophy of administering Linux and Unix systems. ( Unix System Administrator's Handbook, IMHO, right now is the clearly superior text, but omits specific mention of Linux and 'linuxisms', and costs about twice what Aesch' ESA does. ) One thing I'd recommend: Take some day when you have time and go to a book with a massive computer section and just look at what the various titles have to offer. There is new stuff coming out all the time, with a variety of focuses, you might want to 'expose' yourself to the market. I also think it's good not to underestimate the already existing FREE information like the LDP ( Note that S.u.S.E. includes alot of faqs and docs with the distribution ) and online man pages. I think you might be often surprised that with a little patience, a lot of questions, if addressed on an 'as needed' basis can still be found there. Not all, though, and some of the data is not 1000p to date. Welcome aboard, and happy Linuxing, -M - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Delbaere, Tim wrote:
Can anyone recommend some good book's for getting to grips with Linux?
And my $0.02: The book that comes with SuSE is good, and "The No B.S. Guide to Linux" is good. -- George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
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