I am a former Mandriva/Mandrake user and was wondering what is the release cycle of OpenSuse ? I couldn't find any info on Opensuse website. Is it 12 months or less ? cheers, Jeffery -- Powered by openSUSE 10.2 (i586) Kernel: 2.6.18.2-34-default KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" 12:36pm up 2 days 13:27, 4 users, load average: 0.36, 0.77, 1.13 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/12/28 12:39 (GMT+1100) Jeffery Fernandez apparently typed:
I am a former Mandriva/Mandrake user and was wondering what is the release cycle of OpenSuse ?
I couldn't find any info on Opensuse website. Is it 12 months or less ?
Including "unopen" SUSE going back more than 4 years, long term average is about 6 month intervals, but lately it seems closer to 7. I think Mandriva's switch to 12 months from 6 was a mistake. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-12-27 at 21:09 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
I am a former Mandriva/Mandrake user and was wondering what is the release cycle of OpenSuse ?
I couldn't find any info on Opensuse website. Is it 12 months or less ?
Including "unopen" SUSE going back more than 4 years, long term average is about 6 month intervals, but lately it seems closer to 7. I think Mandriva's switch to 12 months from 6 was a mistake.
It is 8 month, officially. Was 6, also officially. Change was between 10.0 and 10.1. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFkzUEtTMYHG2NR9URAiKbAJsHnGlUTgtDuCLdLyf7sdTtzxQSOACdH/Um KKK39g82alduPU9NeiUN+9s= =CGFz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 17:09, Felix Miata wrote:
I think Mandriva's switch to 12 months from 6 was a mistake.
Not for people who have something to do with their machines other than install operating systems. I would vote for 1 year releases and a three year maintenance window. Kernel development has slowed down somewhat and having new releases as frequently as in the past seems less needed. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Thursday 28 December 2006 16:17, John Andersen wrote:
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 17:09, Felix Miata wrote:
I think Mandriva's switch to 12 months from 6 was a mistake.
Not for people who have something to do with their machines other than install operating systems.
very true. Need less time installing/upgrading and more time to work :)
I would vote for 1 year releases and a three year maintenance window. Kernel development has slowed down somewhat and having new releases as frequently as in the past seems less needed.
one vote from me too -- Powered by openSUSE 10.2 (i586) Kernel: 2.6.18.2-34-default KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" 4:25pm up 2 days 17:17, 5 users, load average: 1.59, 1.23, 0.86
On 2006/12/27 20:17 (GMT-0900) John Andersen apparently typed:
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 17:09, Felix Miata wrote:
I think Mandriva's switch to 12 months from 6 was a mistake.
Not for people who have something to do with their machines other than install operating systems.
I would vote for 1 year releases and a three year maintenance window. Kernel development has slowed down somewhat and having new releases as frequently as in the past seems less needed.
I'd be fine with that, if maintenance included all types of bug fixes rather than just security fixes, but that's just not the way it is with either SUSE or Mandriva. It's bad enough seeing bugs reported 2 releases past still not fixed in the most recent release without waiting twice as long for new releases to not have those fixes. New features I could do without for 5 years, but not brokenness to trip over daily. Monthly upgrades wouldn't be too often for me if real bug fixes were the reason why rather than feature bloat. -- "Let your conversation be always full of grace." Colossians 4:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 21:04, Felix Miata wrote:
New features I could do without for 5 years, but not brokenness to trip over daily
Exactly true. New kernel for SLES9 installed today, and STILL "mt -f /dev/nst0 tell" fails with IO error. This bug was reported over a year ago. Mag tape is hardly a cutting edge technology. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Dec 27 2006 20:17, John Andersen wrote:
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 17:09, Felix Miata wrote:
I think Mandriva's switch to 12 months from 6 was a mistake.
As long as Debian is even beyond that, it does not matter ;-)
I would vote for 1 year releases and a three year maintenance window.
Probably too much maintenance work that is "better spent" on SLEx.
Kernel development has slowed down somewhat
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and having new releases as frequently as in the past seems less needed.
That seems true indeed. Quite a lot console programs have not changed in 10.2. I think I still have some 10.1 packages left in rpmdb. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/28/06, John Andersen
Kernel development has slowed down somewhat and having new releases as frequently as in the past seems less needed.
I've been following the IDE/Sata kernel mailing list for the last 3 or 4 years. In this very important area of the 2.6.18+ kernels, I have seen the most aggressive and rapid changes I have seen in that time. You may recall the whole 2.6 kernel was delayed for an extended period due to the poor quality of the IDE subsystem. It was finally released, but the subsystem was never brought up to the quality the core kernel team wanted. That subsystem is finally in the process of being upgraded to the quality we all want from a 2.6 kernel. 2.6.18 New (from scratch) SATA error handling (EH) 2.6.19 Experimental implementation of most PATA (ide) drivers within the SATA control structure. Utilizes the new EH. 2.6.20 (in test/debug cycle now) Major bug fixes to the above, especially related to ATAPI devices (ie. CD/DVD drives). Hopefully a new Promise SATA driver that uses the above. (I don't remember if this was submitted to Linus yet or not. It is definitely in the libata R&D code base.) 2.6.21 (planned) New core libata code to manage i/o resources. Apparently in the current code each low level driver has to manage a set of resources in a consistent way. Failure to do so causes i/o resource leaks. This is particularly important in a hotswap environment like Sata/eSata. I'm not saying that opensuse needs to have a new release every time there is a new kernel release, but I do look forward to each new release primarily due to the new kernel that comes with it. FYI: Yes I have used vanilla kernels and I'm aware I can typically use a "factory" kernel as well. Since disk driver stability is one of goals I prefer to use only the official suse kernels on most of my machines. Only on a test machine here or there do I use vanilla and/or factory kernels. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jeffery Fernandez escribió:
I am a former Mandriva/Mandrake user and was wondering what is the release cycle of OpenSuse ?
I couldn't find any info on Opensuse website. Is it 12 months or less ?
a new release every 8 months each release supported for 2 years, mayor bugs are generally fixed only the firsts months and then the support is security fixes only. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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