[opensuse] Tape Drive for personal usage
Hello Guys, Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess. I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?) Thanks! Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 8/29/07, Jorge Fábregas <jorge.fabregas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Guys,
Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess.
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thanks!
Good tape drives are expensive (LTO, DLT, AIT). Cheap tape drives are not worth the money (DDS4, etc.) imho. For only 100GB, you might look for a used one (eBay?), but even they are likely too expensive for home use. The only middle ground I know of is the Exabyte VXA-2 drives, but I have not kept up with real world feedback, just the initial specs from a few years ago. New they are too expensive for home use, but maybe you can find a used one? Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Hello Guys,
Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess.
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thanks! Jorge
Having initially used a Tape backup unit I now view tape based backup does have a problems as an approach for a home user. 100Gb tape drives are industrial level backup solutions and are both expensive to run and purchase. Those which come with backup software rarely supply Linux compatible tools. As an industrial solution they are being superseded by SANS style solutions in any case. (There are a number of standalone data servers available on the the market for the consumer and small business marketplace as well now, and these can offer 0.5 to 1 TB of storage for roughly similar costs). An alternative often recommended here is to use an external USB caddy drive with rsync. I personally have reservations about this approach, but see no reason why it should not be a valid option to consider. The main problem with these approaches is that once your tape unit or hard drive becomes toast, is that the backup data is effectively lost or expensive to retrieve (you either need a new tape unit or invest in a new drive and data recovery). Unfortunately, these things usually are discovered to have failed or fail when you most need them. For a reliable backup one needs multiple copies of the data (preferably in multiple locations). Backup to DVD/CD does have the advantage that the hardware is cheap, the media is cheap, and you can have multiple images. Tar is ok for doing basic backup either to CD,DVD or tape directly You do not need make an iso image to backup to DVD/CD or restore that backup.one can treat a DVD/CD unit as a tape unit in this context (at the moment I use this without any problems, this approach does have drawbacks for archive and removal style approaches to data management and for incremental or differential backups require some work on file version tracking). Of the tape tools, bacula and taper have some limitations (mainly in capacity, but in the case of bacula initial setup is not trivial). Amanda is a powerful set of scripts but a bit too much for a SoHo setup in my opinion. There are commercial solutions, but these tend to be expensive. I would also give a little thought to ones data management strategy, before buying kit, consider whether you can manage your data more effectively. e.g. If these are mainly media files and they are transferred to DVD/CD is there any reason to include these in the regular backup routine? (Provided you have 2 or 3 copies). If this is your personal data, a mixture of archiving old unused data to removable media, and backing up current projects and documents is probably as effective as the religious backup of everything in sight approach in terms of coverage, but also does have the advantage you can a working after a failure a lot more quickly than using a brute force approach, as working data is immediately identifiable and available. It also can bring the amount of data to backup to manageable levels. After all, one of the main objectives of backup is to be able to get working as ASAP after a failure, (While having all your data fo the last few years is a good thing, having to trawl through all that data to get to the data you need is probably less useful). - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG1oURasN0sSnLmgIRAiR7AJwJT+Y5n+rOrwUTnoZRbXrGgEjQCwCg8Wgz jS0beDVkEgcvXc5jfzh5eII= =JvJ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 30 August 2007 01:51, G T Smith wrote:
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An alternative often recommended here is to use an external USB caddy drive with rsync. I personally have reservations about this approach, but see no reason why it should not be a valid option to consider.
I recently became of aware of a commercial software product called CrashPlan (<http://www.crashplan.com/>). It's a remote backup scheme that allows any number of remote systems to act as backup hosts. This can be on-site (LAN or intranet), off-site (Internet) or, for an additional subscription fee, one of the vendor's Internet-based storage servers. Their home page mentions Windows, Mac and Linux verions, but when you go to download the trial, it tells you the Linux version is "coming soon." You pay for each copy that does the backing up but not for any of the (unlimited) destination copies. It has source-side encryption (so clear-text data never traverses the network), selective backup and, in the "pro" version, continuous incremental backup and multiple file version retention and recovery. It has one real idiosyncracy, you cannot back up to a local disk, only over the network. Maybe they'll add local backup at some point. I plan to evaluate it once the Linux version is released.
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Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Jorge, G T Smith wrote:
Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Hello Guys,
Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess.
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thanks! Jorge
Having initially used a Tape backup unit I now view tape based backup does have a problems as an approach for a home user.
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....Backups will be too expensive when tape drive nears 'toasting' ie obsolete
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An alternative often recommended here is to use an external USB caddy drive with rsync. I personally have reservations about this approach, but see no reason why it should not be a valid option to consider.
I agree wholeheartedly with GT. I currently have about 65Gb on openSUSE 10.2 that I backup. I was also thinking of going the tape backup route when I was also put onto the external drive idea. I now have a 250GB USB IDE disk caddy USB, with an ext3 filesystem, which I backup to nightly using rsync. The script I am using was developed by Andre, who I have Cc'ed. I believe development is ongoing on the script and he will be able to release the source to you, as well as instructions on how to get it working. The disk caddy I am using is one by SNT as tey were recommended to me especially for Linux compatibility. http://www.snt.com.tw/ They are so good that I am considering getting a SATA disk caddy from them as well to replace the IDE one I have, when it dies. Hope it helps Regards Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Hello Guys,
Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess.
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thanks! Jorge If you are only using it twice yearly, I would recommend to buy an external usb harddisk to hold two copies of your data per year. To backup your data I would suggest to use rsysnc. But as you are doing it only twice yearly, imho, it doesn't really matter.
For example, I am using rsnapshot for all my backup activities. This uses rsync for the purpose. I am backing up just personal data on one linux server and from one windows XP client, all saved to a usb disk that is connected to the linux server. If you are aware of the usb harddisk shortcomings imho this is very cheap, very quick, fully automatic and very easy to restore. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 17:21 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Hello Guys,
Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess.
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thanks! Jorge
Hi Jorge, Even for tape-drives, 100GB is a huge chunk to swallow ;-) I would recommend a external USB-drive. Currently, 500GB drives go for about 100 Euro's Tape drive capable of storing this amount will be a magnitude more expensive... HW -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/1/07, Hans Witvliet <hwit@a-domani.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 17:21 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Hello Guys,
Do anyone of you use any tape drive for personal backup? I personally use a 2nd internal hard-drive where I perform nightly backups but twice a year I backup to offline media (DVD-R DL media)...but right now I'm reaching 100 GB of data...that's a bunch of data to burn! (even if it's dual layer media). I know there are HD and Blu-ray drives but they're too expensive. I think I can get a tape-drive for much mess.
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thanks! Jorge
Hi Jorge,
Even for tape-drives, 100GB is a huge chunk to swallow ;-)
If you have the money, 100GB tape drives are readily available and have been for 7 or 8 years, so used is a real possibility. It's the home budget that makes it an issue. For big bucks, the SAIT-3 drive technology should be coming in the next year iiuc. 2 TB / tape uncompressed. 5 TB / tape compressed. I suspect HD-DVD is more cost effective for 100GB sizes of data. I just don't know the long term reliability factor.
I would recommend a external USB-drive. Currently, 500GB drives go for about 100 Euro's Tape drive capable of storing this amount will be a magnitude more expensive...
I would say, more than an order of magnitude. Likely $5K or so for a new 500GB tape drive. Just the media is probably in the $100 range per tape. The trouble with using powered off hard drives for long term backup is simply that they are not designed for it. In my job I work with lots of large data collections that we need to hold on to for years unaccessed, so we have investigated it pretty well and there are simply not any studies, specs, guidelines, etc. for how long a powered-off hard drive should hold data. The concern is that disk is a mechanical device like a car engine. How many years can a car engine sit not running before the engine will fail to start? No one knows. Things I read that help: If it is a grease seize-up issue - put the drive in a very low-temperature oven and warm it up before you try to use it. (Maybe in the hot sun would be smarter.) Or (with the drive off) hold the disk 3-6 inches above a table and drop it to try and break any stuck parts loose. If you think it is a bad solder connection, then I read that putting the drive in a freezer overnight can help at least until the drive comes back up to temp. I have found at least once that running the drive for several hours improved the reliability and allowed me to read all the data. (The drive had been off for 18-months). === Some good news is that we tend to make backup tapes and store the drive for a couple years. The idea being that if the drive goes bad, we will use the tape. We have just finished a process the involved reading about 50 drives that had been off for 18-30 months. We did not have any failed drives and did not have to resort to any of the above solutions. HTH Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 29 August 2007 5:21 pm, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
I just would like to know if anyone recommends any particular tape-drive and also what software do you use with it (just plain tar?)
Thank you guys for your comments/suggestions. I really appreciate it. I think I'll be considering one of these USB IDE disk caddies. I never thought about them. Thanks! Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-05 at 20:31 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Thank you guys for your comments/suggestions. I really appreciate it. I think I'll be considering one of these USB IDE disk caddies. I never thought about them.
Yes, I'm starting to use them, too. There is one concern I have about these: they don't support the full IDE standard, meaning that SMART doesn't work. The drive can't be tested. True, smart doesn't always predict failure, but it helps. Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4UJytTMYHG2NR9URAmIuAJsGJL/+xdwvLfhBbFl7XQ51bn7eeACeLOV8 gx7zSK4Lsi9T+F5zMPFMOPw= =bjRp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
2007/9/7, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:
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The Wednesday 2007-09-05 at 20:31 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Thank you guys for your comments/suggestions. I really appreciate it. I think I'll be considering one of these USB IDE disk caddies. I never thought about them.
Yes, I'm starting to use them, too.
There is one concern I have about these: they don't support the full IDE standard, meaning that SMART doesn't work. The drive can't be tested. True, smart doesn't always predict failure, but it helps.
Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)?
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure.... Regards, Ciro
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)?
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4UoftTMYHG2NR9URAgm7AJ4iG2OcBmcbmCgo1sD16MiYvFbbJACfaLxw y7Q0fkgCI54FlQ3jXbBnQCQ= =zs+t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
Somebody knows of an external ide-usb box supporting smart (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology)? You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata.
With e.x. the Dawicontrol DC-154 RAID controller, you will have two external sata ports available and according to what I heard, they run well under Linux. regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 15:17 +0200, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata.
With e.x. the Dawicontrol DC-154 RAID controller, you will have two external sata ports available and according to what I heard, they run well under Linux.
My last free pci port is in use by the new usb 2 card, so a sata card is not an option either. It has to be usb. At least till my PC falls to pieces and I'm forced to replace it :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4V+itTMYHG2NR9URAs/XAJ0c2ExrQIsnCF2oCMtXQt/610rotgCglGVm 0KLUQDGYaxZd/bo+tApfWeE= =WNuo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
At least till my PC falls to pieces and I'm forced to replace it :-p
That can be arranged. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-07-07 08:55]:
The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata.
MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^( -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-09-07 at 09:40 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^(
Yes, I heard that smart support is not complete yet in linux... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4V/ZtTMYHG2NR9URAlAOAJ9amCjsDAjQ1xzgeeZDlBc3uai+6QCfQurE bXbHqYKsyVNMo3Q/ftv4ssY= =bL2l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2007/9/7, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:
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The Friday 2007-09-07 at 09:40 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^(
Yes, I heard that smart support is not complete yet in linux...
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
S.M.A.R.T works with SATA here, even on my laptop.... Regards, Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/7/07, Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com> wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-07-07 08:55]:
The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata.
MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^(
It really should. Maybe 10.3 will have your issue fixed? Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [09-07-07 13:10]:
It really should. Maybe 10.3 will have your issue fixed?
Hope so, I'm ready for 10.3, but depend on system toooo much to play with beta and rc's. But 10.1 has been solid w/smart, for me. tks, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 07 September 2007 09:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-07-07 08:55]:
The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata.
MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^(
smartctl works here on my SATA disk and my two IDE disks. 10.2 x86.64 Been just running it manually. Haven't taken the time to try and log the results and send me a mail. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2007/9/7, Bob S <911@sanctum.com>:
On Friday 07 September 2007 09:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-07-07 08:55]:
The Friday 2007-09-07 at 08:45 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
You'll have to go with an eSATA enclosure....
My MB doesn't have sata.
MoxNix, smartd doesn't appear to work on my sata drives .. :^(
smartctl works here on my SATA disk and my two IDE disks. 10.2 x86.64
Been just running it manually. Haven't taken the time to try and log the results and send me a mail.
Bob S
Just checked, on 10.2@x86_64 works out of the box, on 10.1@x86_64 "-d ata" is needed. Regards, Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Ciro Iriarte <cyruspy@gmail.com> [09-08-07 04:07]:
Just checked, on 10.2@x86_64 works out of the box, on 10.1@x86_64 "-d ata" is needed.
smartmontools-5.33-18 openSUSE 10.1 x86_64 2 x Seagate SATA2 400GB 08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1P3D8 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 08:04:39 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART 08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1JBP5 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 08:04:41 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART :^( -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 08:07 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1JBP5 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 08:04:41 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART
OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART :^(
That's not possible! I think it should be a bug somewhere. Perhaps you can check your drive documentation to see if they mention smart or not. If they have smart, then you can fill the bug on bugzilla... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4pI2tTMYHG2NR9URAtVHAKCSIBchvgk6vJVn3WQF1EamJ5/MQQCfcNcr oZ0nwQqVUqjgUarAlDscOTQ= =tVOZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-08-07 08:17]:
The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 08:07 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1JBP5 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 08:04:41 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART
OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART :^(
That's not possible!
I think it should be a bug somewhere. Perhaps you can check your drive documentation to see if they mention smart or not. If they have smart, then you can fill the bug on bugzilla...
Seagate says the drive *is* smart capable, but that the smart function may be disabled by the bios. There is no setting provision for smart in my award bios, mb=k8n neo4 series socket 939 nForce 4 Ultra (ms-7125). bios was up-to-date as of August 1, 2007. Seagate info from online, bios/mb from provided MSI manual. will file bug... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com> [09-08-07 09:17]:
will file bug...
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=308980 -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 09:15 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I think it should be a bug somewhere. Perhaps you can check your drive documentation to see if they mention smart or not. If they have smart, then you can fill the bug on bugzilla...
Seagate says the drive *is* smart capable, but that the smart function may be disabled by the bios. There is no setting provision for smart in my award bios, mb=k8n neo4 series socket 939 nForce 4 Ultra (ms-7125). bios was up-to-date as of August 1, 2007.
Seagate info from online, bios/mb from provided MSI manual.
will file bug...
I'm guessing that the bios support of smart, is that the bios will read the smart log somehow on boot and warn the user if there is an impending failure (ie, smart predicts a failure in 24 hours). I'm not sure that disabling smart in the bios will really stop smartctl in linux from learning the smart status of the drive. But this is just a guess. However, smart collection can be enabled/disabled on the drive itself, using "smartctl -s". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4qMRtTMYHG2NR9URAvqoAJ0YnywMrWJ01LxXh53gySBgbITcTACgkaTu AIKvQDh5o30+mY5pvQaioWA= =STmO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [09-08-07 09:28]:
However, smart collection can be enabled/disabled on the drive itself, using "smartctl -s".
09:49 wahoo:~ # smartctl /dev/sda -a ;smartctl /dev/sda -s on smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1P3D8 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 09:50:29 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART Request Sense failed, [Input/output error] Error Counter logging not supported Error Events logging not supported [GLTSD (Global Logging Target Save Disable) set. Enable Save with '-S on'] Device does not support Self Test logging smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [Input/output error] A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. '-T' arguments make no difference tks, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-09-08 at 09:52 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
unable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [Input/output error] A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
Looks ugly. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG4qzwtTMYHG2NR9URAiXJAJ9vtsi69DCook6yAF3cqB7iMU1vFQCffmCS oZZ49Tu9M8flMZXuJxoExXU= =bZkQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2007/9/8, Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri@gmail.com>:
* Ciro Iriarte <cyruspy@gmail.com> [09-08-07 04:07]:
Just checked, on 10.2@x86_64 works out of the box, on 10.1@x86_64 "-d ata" is needed.
smartmontools-5.33-18 openSUSE 10.1 x86_64 2 x Seagate SATA2 400GB
08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1P3D8 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 08:04:39 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART
08:04 wahoo:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
Device: ATA ST3400633AS Version: 3.AA Serial number: 3NF1JBP5 Device type: disk Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 08:04:41 2007 EDT Device does not support SMART
OK, looks like my Seagate SATA2 drives do not support SMART :^(
-- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org
10.1@x86_64, Asus M2N32-SLI and 2x250GB Seagate SATA2 mainwks:~ # smartctl -d ata -i /dev/sda smartctl version 5.33 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: ST3250820AS Serial Number: 5QE067A9 Firmware Version: 3.AAC User Capacity: 250,059,350,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 7 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Sat Sep 8 12:57:35 2007 PYT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled mainwks:~ # rpm -q smartmontools kernel-default smartmontools-5.33-18 kernel-default-2.6.16.27-0.9 Regards, Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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