[opensuse] SuSE 11.1 no longer is able to boot from XFS?
Greetings and felicitations, Um, this seems like a very weird situation. Not sure I believe what the message is telling me -- since it makes no sense to make such a backwards step. I say this from the perspective of burning an 11.1 x86_64 DVD and setting everything up, including a /boot partition with my file systems formatted in XFS. Yet I get a message that the system won't be able to boot because the /boot partition is formatted with XFS. Is this a bogus install message (didn't seem to stop the install from starting/running)? Do I have to go back to 11.0 or earlier to support XFS booting? So what's up? Why am I getting this message. Do I install 10.3 where I can boot from XFS then run multiple updates (dunno about 11.0). Seems like a bassackwards way of obtain the the desire solution. I started the install anyway, and decided/hoped I'd be able to fix the problem (otherwise, I'll be redoing the install :-))... Any ideas why I'm seeing this odd message? Booting from XFS has been supported at least back to SuSE9 if not before. Thanks, Linda -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Greetings and felicitations,
Um, this seems like a very weird situation. Not sure I believe what the message is telling me -- since it makes no sense to make such a backwards step. I say this from the perspective of burning an 11.1 x86_64 DVD and setting everything up, including a /boot partition with my file systems formatted in XFS. Yet I get a message that the system won't be able to boot because the /boot partition is formatted with XFS.
Is this a bogus install message (didn't seem to stop the install from starting/running)?
Do I have to go back to 11.0 or earlier to support XFS booting?
So what's up? Why am I getting this message. Do I install 10.3 where I can boot from XFS then run multiple updates (dunno about 11.0). Seems like a bassackwards way of obtain the the desire solution.
I started the install anyway, and decided/hoped I'd be able to fix the problem (otherwise, I'll be redoing the install :-))...
Any ideas why I'm seeing this odd message? Booting from XFS has been supported at least back to SuSE9 if not before.
Thanks, Linda It's something to do with grub, if xfs is the root partition then grub cannot be in the mbr because there is not enough room for it. You have to have a separate non xfs boot partition. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-12/msg00009.html is one of the messages in the opensuse-factory archives from when this issue came up in 11.1 rc1, if you search for XFS in subject you will get all
Linda Walsh wrote: the threads with interesting links including http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ. I had a boot problem when I upgraded my system to 11.1 retail 32 bit but I backed up and did a new x86_64 install with an ext2 boot partition so I don't know if other than mbr grub works. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:16:12 -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
Do I have to go back to 11.0 or earlier to support XFS booting?
The problem is GRUB related. To be on the sunny side of life, you should have ext3 on the boot partition. I'm using xfs a long time, and it really rocks, you'll have no disadvantages in formatting your /boot with ext2/3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 01:16 -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
Um, this seems like a very weird situation. Not sure I believe what the message is telling me -- since it makes no sense to make such a backwards step. I say this from the perspective of burning an 11.1 x86_64 DVD and setting everything up, including a /boot partition with my file systems formatted in XFS. Yet I get a message that the system won't be able to boot because the /boot partition is formatted with XFS.
It is a known and documented issue. Grub can not be safely installed on an XFS partition. You have to format /boot on something else, preferably ext2 (not 3), and install grub there or on the MBR. Please read <http://en.opensuse.org/Bootloader/Scenarios> More info: <http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#grubwork> ] Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] XFS Boot Problem ] Subject: Supported scenarios for bootloader installation (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] XFS Boot Problem) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnJz4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WdOQCeJZTTnpYnj3sAtc0wrD36/fwb sXkAnAljN7kWrN5o6Lzn4XYLSs+gK+u/ =uBHN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 16.04.2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You have to format /boot on something else, preferably ext2 (not 3)
Why do you prefer ext2 over ext3 in this case? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Heinz Diehl pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 16.04.2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You have to format /boot on something else, preferably ext2 (not 3)
Why do you prefer ext2 over ext3 in this case?
ext2 is fine, you don't need a journaled filesystem for a 100M partition. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Heinz Diehl <htd@fancy-poultry.org> [04-16-09 13:48]:
Why do you prefer ext2 over ext3 in this case?
the main diff between ext2/3 is journaling and journaling requires more space. Is journaling really desired when you will be doing minimal writing to the /boot partition anyway, lessening the chance for corruption? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 April 2009 01:37:59 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Heinz Diehl <htd@fancy-poultry.org> [04-16-09 13:48]:
Why do you prefer ext2 over ext3 in this case?
the main diff between ext2/3 is journaling and journaling requires more space. Is journaling really desired when you will be doing minimal writing to the /boot partition anyway, lessening the chance for corruption?
I'm not sure, but it could enough to have file open when system crashes, but taking how long boot partition is used, ie. files are open, chance to see corruption is really minimal. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 19:49 +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 16.04.2009, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You have to format /boot on something else, preferably ext2 (not 3)
Why do you prefer ext2 over ext3 in this case?
/boot is a small partition, recommended size is about 100 MB nowdays; sometimes mounted R/O. That is so small that even without journal fsck will run very fast on it, so, why waste that space on a small partition? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnjlYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Up5wCgg3DsUagEj6hw6pfviGxhNVM4 w5UAnjLsoKGheegSG7L9SnnQjbUFayR1 =WsPT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Linda Walsh <suse@tlinx.org> wrote:
Greetings and felicitations,
Um, this seems like a very weird situation. Not sure I believe what the message is telling me -- since it makes no sense to make such a backwards step. I say this from the perspective of burning an 11.1 x86_64 DVD and setting everything up, including a /boot partition with my file systems formatted in XFS. Yet I get a message that the system won't be able to boot because the /boot partition is formatted with XFS.
Is this a bogus install message (didn't seem to stop the install from starting/running)?
Do I have to go back to 11.0 or earlier to support XFS booting?
So what's up? Why am I getting this message. Do I install 10.3 where I can boot from XFS then run multiple updates (dunno about 11.0). Seems like a bassackwards way of obtain the the desire solution.
I started the install anyway, and decided/hoped I'd be able to fix the problem (otherwise, I'll be redoing the install :-))...
Any ideas why I'm seeing this odd message? Booting from XFS has been supported at least back to SuSE9 if not before.
Thanks, Linda
Linda, I don't know if anyone said, but I believe this issue is old. It is just the notification that is new. If the grub / xfs issue occurs, I think it is just a first time boot issue, not a data loss issue. So if you were able to install and get things working, then your golden and I don't think there is any reason to re-install. But one of these days you may have a new install fail because of a grub / xfs compatibility issue. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 15:15 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
So if you were able to install and get things working, then your golden and I don't think there is any reason to re-install.
It might fail at a later time, it is not safe. Better take preventive measures at your convenience, than have a problem booting (or perhaps data loss?) at a very inconvenient time. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnkEEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WQNwCfb+NNMgolXktlP9YbvWM239um njUAn0luaBdjeazJxqrsBUazm+vo/Ce6 =csn6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (8)
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Carlos E. R.
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Dave Plater
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Greg Freemyer
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Heinz Diehl
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Ken Schneider - openSUSE
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Linda Walsh
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Patrick Shanahan
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Rajko M.