I would think that use cases would be very useful. We probably have diverse expertise available that would make use cases very useful. Ron Cordell wrote:

I can help with the effort, both on the requirements and the programming side.

Does the plan to generate functional requirements involve the construction of use cases?

Ron Cordell

-- Jim Sabatke SuSE 7.1 Linux Kernel - 2.4.0 http://www.execpc.com/~jsabatke It's all a matter of brain cells. You see every drink of liquor you take kills a thousand brain cells. But that doesn't much matter cause we got billions more. Now, first the sadness cells die, so you smile real big; And then the quiet cells go so you just say everything real loud for no reason at all. But that's OK because then the stupid cells go next, so everything you say is real smart. And finally come the memory cells; they's tough sons-o-bitches to kill - The Legend of Bagger Vance

On Tuesday 05 June 2001 09:38 pm, Jim Sabatke wrote:

SourceForge looks perfect. We need a name for the project. My suggestion is KProject, to fit in with the other KDE Office programs. I am open to suggestions.

I am also going to take this off-line from the SuSE list as soon as possible and use a SourceForge list for the project.

Jim

John Gilger wrote:

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On Sunday 03 June 2001 22:38, Jim Sabatke wrote:

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Barb,

It sounds like we have the core of a requirements team, as well as a coder or two willing to help. I really would love to be part of an effort to build a good project management tool. I've got room on my web page for a requirements document. I think what we would need more than anything is a site to sponsor an email list. Any suggestions?

Jim

How about SourceForge?

John

KProject sounds good to me. Have fun :) -Steven

On Tuesday 05 June 2001 20:38, Jim Sabatke wrote:

SourceForge looks perfect. We need a name for the project. My suggestion is KProject, to fit in with the other KDE Office programs. I am open to suggestions.

I am also going to take this off-line from the SuSE list as soon as possible and use a SourceForge list for the project.

Sounds good. This is starting to get interesting...:) -- Best Chris

-----Original Message----- From: dieter [mailto:dieter@FreeBSD.rave.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:22 AM To: Jim Sabatke Cc: John Gilger; Barb; andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net; dlbt@pacific.net.sg; suse Subject: Re: [SLE] Project Manager

From Jim Sabatke to John Gilger, Barb, andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net, and...:

SourceForge looks perfect. We need a name for the project. My suggestion is KProject, to fit in with the other KDE Office programs. I am open to suggestions. What about KPMania or KPMagna or yet something else? KProject is ok with me, but I thought it just sounded to normal. ;) What do others think?

I think Kproject sounds good. The name is a good description of what it is (will be). If it is going to be professional it should sound that way too. If you find that the name Kproject was taken by something else maybe you can use KProjectMan. KPMagna was a good suggestion too. Diane _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, I believe there are so many people interested in this project, that it might be a good idea, that the one who actually manages to set up a project site, to put a short (slightly OT) message to this list. --Jyry C:-( C:-/ C========8-O C8-/ C:-( On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Anders Johansson wrote:

When you do go off-list, please drop me a line. As I said before, I'd be interested in getting involved with this.

Regards Anders

On Wednesday 06 June 2001 03:38, Jim Sabatke wrote:

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SourceForge looks perfect. We need a name for the project. My suggestion is KProject, to fit in with the other KDE Office programs. I am open to suggestions.

I am also going to take this off-line from the SuSE list as soon as possible and use a SourceForge list for the project.

Jim

John Gilger wrote:

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On Sunday 03 June 2001 22:38, Jim Sabatke wrote:

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Barb,

It sounds like we have the core of a requirements team, as well as a coder or two willing to help. I really would love to be part of an effort to build a good project management tool. I've got room on my web page for a requirements document. I think what we would need more than anything is a site to sponsor an email list. Any suggestions?

Jim

How about SourceForge?

John

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I get nothing but 'connection refused' when I try to mail either Chris Reeves or the list he mentions. Has anyone been able to connect to it, or is it just me that's being blocked (and if so, why did you bother mailing me about it, Chris) Regards Anders On Wednesday 06 June 2001 23:07, Chris Reeves wrote:

On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 12:38:47AM -0500, Jim Sabatke wrote:

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It sounds like we have the core of a requirements team, as well as a coder or two willing to help. I really would love to be part of an effort to build a good project management tool. I've got room on my web page for a requirements document. I think what we would need more than anything is a site to sponsor an email list. Any suggestions?

OK folks. I took the liberty yesterday of setting up a mailing list. I think what should happen now is that folks that are interested should join this list (or another list) to discuss where things are going to go from here. For example, whether everyone wants to pick a currently existing 'project' and contribute to that, or if people want to start up a completely new project. Once people have decided what's going to happen, we can join the list for the project we work on or create a new sourceforge list (depending upon what the decision is).

If you're interested, then send a message to: lx-project-request@wired.st-and.ac.uk with the word 'subscribe' in the body of the message.

Note a couple of caveats - don't send messages to majordomo@... If you must go through majordomo directly, use mdomo@... You may also notice some very strange things happening with domain names as you do this - please just ignore this and hopefully it will disappear soon.

In case you didn't figure it out already, I'm interested to...

I'm sending a copy of this message directly to all those who have expressed an interest - hope you don't mind.

...

Barb wrote:

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I'm not a member of this list but my Other Half is and he's forwarded me this discussion thread since it's a long time interest and concern of mine as a project manager. I find MS Project a completely useless, frustrating time and energy waster and I've given up on it professionally. As a survival strategy, I've had to design processes and utilise available company tools/utilities in custom combinations to replace it. This is a kludge, of course and makes ISO 9001 compliance more difficult than it should be. I'd be very interested in helping generate a requirements document and participating in the development in any way I can.

Note: I am not now and never have been a programmer. However, I've been involved in project management for a long time as well as program development from a management perspective.

Have fun, Chris

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:34:19AM -0400, Ron Cordell wrote:

I have been getting bounced as well....

Sorry guys, I've been away all weekend. iname.com has been transitioning their mail servers and generally mucking around for the past week (which is why some mails that I've replied to have already been replied, since there has been delays in the messages from 6-48 hours...). Seems to be fixed now. As to the mailing list - if lx-project-request@wired.st-and.ac.uk doesn't work, then try just lx-project-request@st-and.ac.uk (which should work as well, but the other is preferred). The reason you may have some problems is that wired doesn't handle wired's mail - the MX record points to another server, and some sendmail setups ignore this and try to send to wired anyway (and that gets firewalled), which is why the plain @st-and.ac.uk works). I haven't blocked anyone (I'm not cruel like that). ;-) I'll manually add those addresses with problems, but if @wired.st-and.ac.uk doesn't work, then try just @st-and.ac.uk. I'll speak to people about the DNS on Monday. Don't worry - wired is there (the mail server has an uptime of 450 days...).

On Thursday 07 June 2001 10:06, you wrote:

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I get nothing but 'connection refused' when I try to mail either Chris Reeves or the list he mentions. Has anyone been able to connect to it, or is it just me that's being blocked (and if so, why did you bother mailing me about it, Chris)

Sorry again, Chris -- __ _ -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Chris Reeves /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ICQ# 22219005 _\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\

From Anders Johansson to SuSE List about Re: [SLE] Project Manager:

I get nothing but 'connection refused' when I try to mail either Chris Reeves or the list he mentions. Has anyone been able to connect to it, or is it just me that's being blocked (and if so, why did you bother mailing me about it, Chris)

I've sucessfully subscribed myself to the list. I don't think he 'blocks' you on purpose. :) I tried sending a subscribe message to the list with you e-mail address in the from to test, not realizing the bounce will come to you. duh. :)

Regards Anders

On Wednesday 06 June 2001 23:07, Chris Reeves wrote:

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On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 12:38:47AM -0500, Jim Sabatke wrote:

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It sounds like we have the core of a requirements team, as well as a coder or two willing to help. I really would love to be part of an effort to build a good project management tool. I've got room on my web page for a requirements document. I think what we would need more than anything is a site to sponsor an email list. Any suggestions?

OK folks. I took the liberty yesterday of setting up a mailing list. I think what should happen now is that folks that are interested should join this list (or another list) to discuss where things are going to go from here. For example, whether everyone wants to pick a currently existing 'project' and contribute to that, or if people want to start up a completely new project. Once people have decided what's going to happen, we can join the list for the project we work on or create a new sourceforge list (depending upon what the decision is).

If you're interested, then send a message to: lx-project-request@wired.st-and.ac.uk with the word 'subscribe' in the body of the message.

Note a couple of caveats - don't send messages to majordomo@... If you must go through majordomo directly, use mdomo@... You may also notice some very strange things happening with domain names as you do this - please just ignore this and hopefully it will disappear soon.

In case you didn't figure it out already, I'm interested to...

I'm sending a copy of this message directly to all those who have expressed an interest - hope you don't mind.

...

Barb wrote:

...

I'm not a member of this list but my Other Half is and he's forwarded me this discussion thread since it's a long time interest and concern of mine as a project manager. I find MS Project a completely useless, frustrating time and energy waster and I've given up on it professionally. As a survival strategy, I've had to design processes and utilise available company tools/utilities in custom combinations to replace it. This is a kludge, of course and makes ISO 9001 compliance more difficult than it should be. I'd be very interested in helping generate a requirements document and participating in the development in any way I can.

Note: I am not now and never have been a programmer. However, I've been involved in project management for a long time as well as program development from a management perspective.

Have fun, Chris

-- dieter

Make sure you are pinging the mail exchanger, it may not be the same as the domain name: # host iname.com iname.com has address 202.123.209.131 iname.com mail is handled (pri=10) by iname-com.mr.outblaze.com iname.com mail is handled (pri=20) by iname-com-bk.mr.outblaze.com # nslookup iname-com.mr.outblaze.c Server: ns3.texas.net Address: 207.207.0.3 Name: iname-com.mr.outblaze.com Addresses: 205.158.62.24, 205.158.62.26, 205.158.62.33, 205.158.62.35 205.158.62.36, 205.158.62.37 # nslookup iname-com-bk.mr.outblaze Server: ns3.texas.net Address: 207.207.0.3 Non-authoritative answer: Name: iname-com-bk.mr.outblaze.com Addresses: 205.158.62.36, 205.158.62.37, 205.158.62.24, 205.158.62.26 205.158.62.33, 205.158.62.35 I received connection refused several times before the mail finally went thru. HTH, Jeffrey Quoting Anders Johansson :

I've checked my logs. I got connection refused up until this morning on iname.com. The mail list Chris mentioned, however, didn't refuse me as I first thought. Instead I get something weirder: no route to host. Manually, I can ping and traceroute, but sendmail gives me 'no route to host'. Does anyone know what this can mean?

BTW, I got a reply from his majordomo on your registration. But alas I can't reply, for the reason above.

Regards Anders

On Thursday 07 June 2001 16:42, dieter wrote:

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From Anders Johansson to SuSE List about Re: [SLE] Project Manager:

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I get nothing but 'connection refused' when I try to mail either Chris Reeves or the list he mentions. Has anyone been able to connect to it, or is it just me that's being blocked (and if so, why did you bother mailing me about it, Chris)

I've sucessfully subscribed myself to the list. I don't think he 'blocks' you on purpose. :) I tried sending a subscribe message to the list with you e-mail address in the from to test, not realizing the bounce will come to you. duh. :)

...

Regards Anders

-- I don't do Windows and I don't come to work before nine. -- Johnny Paycheck

----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Burness" To: "Chris Reeves" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] Project Manager [...] | Is the mailing list running? I have seen no messages since | subscribing other than my confirmation. | | Phil [...] Well that's one better than me! All I've got to show for it is a message from my mail server saying it's been unable to deliver the message so far :( alan

I'll try to subscribe the other list to yours. :)

From Anders Johansson to Alan Lenton and suse-linux-e@suse.com about Re:...:

I haven't been able to register either.

If there are many people here who want to be on the list, but like me have been unable to register, I have set up a mailing list on my mail server. Perhaps my connection to the net is less shaky. It's worth a try, at least :)

kproject@cicada.linux-site.net is the list

send a mail to kproject-request@cicada.linux-site.net with the word subscribe in the body of the message

If this list is redundant, give me a shout. I just want this project to get off the ground.

Regards Anders

On Saturday 09 June 2001 08:06, Alan Lenton wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Burness" To: "Chris Reeves" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] Project Manager

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| Is the mailing list running? I have seen no messages since | subscribing other than my confirmation. | | Phil

[...]

Well that's one better than me!

All I've got to show for it is a message from my mail server saying it's been unable to deliver the message so far :(

alan

-- dieter