On 04/07/2020 19.20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* James Knott [07-04-20 12:53]:

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On 2020-07-04 12:41 PM, James Knott wrote:

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I've noticed some sites now require HTML5, which Firefox apparently doesn't support, at least not the version in Leap 15.2.  I tried installing an addin, but that didn't work.

Sample sites, please?

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HTML5 works in Chromium.

Any plans to correct this?

tnx jk

BTW, I see the current version from Mozilla is 78.0.1, but 68.9.0esr is installed in 15.2.

you do realize that if you want latest/greatest, you do not opt for "Leap" <any><version> but use Tumbleweed.

We do, but if sites use html 5, then we need a browser that supports it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 04/07/2020 20.02, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 19:27 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 04/07/2020 19.20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* James Knott [07-04-20 12:53]:

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On 2020-07-04 12:41 PM, James Knott wrote:

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I've noticed some sites now require HTML5, which Firefox apparently doesn't support, at least not the version in Leap 15.2. I tried installing an addin, but that didn't work.

Sample sites, please?

This may be a nice place to test: https://html5test.opensuse.org/.

That's exhaustive :-D 503/571 points, 68.9.0esr (64-bit), openSUSE 15.1 I can not "print" a report to post here and analyze. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:34:41 -0400 James Knott wrote:

On 2020-07-04 02:02 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Sample sites, please?

This may be a nice place to test:https://html5test.opensuse.org/.

I get 423 of 571.

Here is a Youtube link that fails with Firefox, but works with Chromium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXtfS6QIR8

Well, I'm on 15.0 still and I get 486/571 and your link plays just fine. So I suspect that you have a local problem that you need to identify and solve. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/4/20 2:34 PM, James Knott wrote:

On 2020-07-04 02:02 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Sample sites, please?

This may be a nice place to test:https://html5test.opensuse.org/.

I get 423 of 571.

Here is a Youtube link that fails with Firefox, but works with Chromium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXtfS6QIR8

My FF (same version) score is 503, quite a spread.  I do use packman, but can't say if any of those binaries are being called by FF.  YaST doesn't indicate anything additionally installed for FF. And that url plays fine in my FF. -- DennisG -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-04 11:20 a.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* James Knott [07-04-20 12:53]:

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On 2020-07-04 12:41 PM, James Knott wrote:

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I've noticed some sites now require HTML5, which Firefox apparently doesn't support, at least not the version in Leap 15.2.  I tried installing an addin, but that didn't work.

HTML5 works in Chromium.

Any plans to correct this?

tnx jk

BTW, I see the current version from Mozilla is 78.0.1, but 68.9.0esr is installed in 15.2.

you do realize that if you want latest/greatest, you do not opt for "Leap" <any><version> but use Tumbleweed.

You do realize that FF 68.9.0esr is now a year old. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-04 11:45 a.m., Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

04.07.2020 20:31, Darryl Gregorash пишет:

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You do realize that FF 68.9.0esr is now a year old.

You do realize that "E" in ESR stands for "Extended"?

Yes. Does that mean that it includes everything that has been introduced into FF since that release? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/04/2020 11:53 AM, James Knott wrote:

BTW, I see the current version from Mozilla is 78.0.1, but 68.9.0esr is installed in 15.2.

Yes, and I hope we stay on the esr branch. 68.9 works great. Far fewer issues. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-04 01:42 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:

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HTML5 works in Chromium.

Any plans to correct this? It is working fine here (in firefox).

It probably depends on which packages you have installed from packman.

Try this URL. I haven't installed anything from Packman.  I updated my desktop system from 15.1 and ThinkPad from 15.0.  I don't ever recall getting Firefox stuff from Packman. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-04 12:28 p.m., James Knott wrote:

On 2020-07-04 01:42 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:

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HTML5 works in Chromium.

Any plans to correct this? It is working fine here (in firefox).

It probably depends on which packages you have installed from packman.

Try this URL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXtfS6QIR8

I haven't installed anything from Packman.  I updated my desktop system from 15.1 and ThinkPad from 15.0.  I don't ever recall getting Firefox stuff from Packman.

Plays fine here. Install the Packman repository, install package "vlc-codecs", and change all FFmpeg libraries from the OS repo to Packman. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, Am 05.07.20 um 15:46 schrieb James Knott:

On 2020-07-04 02:40 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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I haven't installed anything from Packman.  I updated my desktop system from 15.1 and ThinkPad from 15.0.  I don't ever recall getting Firefox stuff from Packman.

Plays fine here. Install the Packman repository, install package "vlc-codecs", and change all FFmpeg libraries from the OS repo to Packman.

That seems to have done the trick.  The question is why is this situation even happening, given that HTML5 has been around for a while?  Also, why did it work in Chromium, but not Firefox?

a lot of mails but only sparse information ;-) So let me try to clarify a few things: HTML5 as explained before is a general term for modern web technologies. The issue for you was about HTML5 video/audio support apparently. The example URL was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXtfS6QIR8 right? This video is shown to me via VP9 Video and Opus Audio Codec. In that case I find it a bit unexpected that you needed packman for that video. So for Firefox 68 only H.264 should require packman support and it obviously has patent reasons where it doesn't matter if HTML5 is around for a while or not. Also this is now the case for a very long time in openSUSE and there cannot be much done about it. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrei Borzenkov composed on 2020-07-04 22:02 (UTC+0300):

James Knott composed:

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Try this URL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXtfS6QIR8

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I haven't installed anything from Packman.  I updated my desktop system from 15.1 and ThinkPad from 15.0.  I don't ever recall getting Firefox stuff from Packman.

Does not work in TW with FF 77.0.1 either so it has nothing to do with "outdated" FF version in Leap.

Works fine in Firefox ESR 52.9.0, Firefox ESR 60.9.0, Firefox ESR 68.10.0 & Firefox ESR 78.0.1 here on KDE3 on 15.1. All four of these are from: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-04 05:16 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:

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I haven't installed anything from Packman.  I updated my desktop system from 15.1 and ThinkPad from 15.0.  I don't ever recall getting Firefox stuff from Packman. It isn't explicitly firefox stuff. It is versions of libraries used by firefox.

I install anything in packman that contains "ffmpeg" or "libav" in the name. I'm not sure if that is enough.

While Packman helped with the one link I provided, here's another that fails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepQloYhgqs However, this one also works fine in Chromium. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-06 10:21 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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I install anything in packman that contains "ffmpeg" or "libav" in the name.  I'm not sure if that is enough. While Packman helped with the one link I provided, here's another that fails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepQloYhgqs

However, this one also works fine in Chromium. Works for me. Codec information according to "Statistics for nerds": Codecs avc1.64001f (136) / opus (251) This is apparently H.264 which requires libavcodec from packman. If you have that it should work with Firefox. I'm not sure why it doesn't for you.

rpm -qa | grep libav ?

rpm -qa | grep libav libavahi-common3-32bit-0.7-lp152.2.7.x86_64 libavutil55-3.4.4-pm152.5.2.x86_64 libavahi-core7-0.7-lp152.2.7.x86_64 libavresample4-4.2.1-lp152.1.4.x86_64 libavcodec58-4.2.1-lp152.1.4.x86_64  <--- This one is from openSUSE Leap 15.2 libavfilter7-4.2.1-lp152.1.4.x86_64 libavahi-common3-0.7-lp152.2.7.x86_64 libavdevice58-4.2.1-lp152.1.4.x86_64 libavutil56-4.2.1-lp152.1.4.x86_64 libavc1394-0-0.5.4-lp152.3.5.x86_64 libavformat57-3.4.4-pm152.5.2.x86_64 libavahi-client3-0.7-lp152.2.7.x86_64 libavahi-client3-32bit-0.7-lp152.2.7.x86_64 libavahi-glib1-0.7-lp152.2.10.x86_64 libavcodec57-3.4.4-pm152.5.2.x86_64  <--- This one is from Packman gstreamer-plugins-libav-1.16.2-lp152.1.3.x86_64 libavresample3-3.4.4-pm152.5.2.x86_64 libavformat58-4.2.1-lp152.1.4.x86_64 libavfilter6-3.4.4-pm152.5.2.x86_64

I often watch CNN and other clips from Youtube and haven't had this problem before, only since I updated to 15.2.  Also, it's not just CNN.  I also have problems with Global TV, such as this one, where I get error code 102630: https://globalnews.ca/news/7141438/iran-confirms-nuclear-centrifuge/ It also works in Chromium. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-06 10:44 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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It also works in Chromium. I guess it is because you haven't switched all libavcodec to packman and that is also the reason why Chromium works but Firefox doesn't. Both might use different libraries based on what they prefer internally.

Firefox 78 for example (68.x probably similar but haven't looked it up) starts searching with version 58 and then proceeds getting lower. Your version 58 is from Leap not not from Packman. Therefore it does not work. Switch version 58 to packman or remove any version 58 from your system (if it has no deps but most likely it has)

So, how do I force that package to use Packman? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-07-06 12:08 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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So, how do I force that package to use Packman?

It's simplest to go into YaST/Software management, and first go to the Options menu and select "allow vendor change". Then search for libavcodec, highlight the Versions tab, and select the latest Packman package. Click OK to make the change. You may have to change one or more other packages also to Packman, though I think not.

Simon Becherer posted another way, that converts everything in one go. tnx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* James Knott [07-06-20 10:20]:

On 2020-07-04 05:16 PM, Neil Rickert wrote:

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I haven't installed anything from Packman.  I updated my desktop system from 15.1 and ThinkPad from 15.0.  I don't ever recall getting Firefox stuff from Packman. It isn't explicitly firefox stuff. It is versions of libraries used by firefox.

I install anything in packman that contains "ffmpeg" or "libav" in the name. I'm not sure if that is enough.

While Packman helped with the one link I provided, here's another that fails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepQloYhgqs

However, this one also works fine in Chromium.

It works fine in MozillaFirefox-77.0.1-1.2.x86_64 also. and in Waterfox 2020.03 and in seamonkey-2.53.2-3.9.x86_64 but fails in w3m-0.5.3+git20180125-1.7.x86_64 elinks-0.13~0.20190723-1.5.x86_64 links-2.20.2-1.2.x86_64 lynx-2.8.9rel.1-1.6.x86_64 -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi james, Am 06.07.20 um 16:35 schrieb James Knott:

As mentioned in another note, these problems started with 15.2.  I had no problem with 15.1.  I also see similar failures in Seamonkey, but would expect text browsers, such as Lynx to fail,

as written from others here, you need the codecs and maybe other things from packman. if you have had only one libavcodec in leap 15.1 (from packman), it was working, now you have 2 different versions of this libavcodec installed in leap 15.2 - this could be some "leftover" from the upgrade version 57 and 58. firefox / chromium seems to use different versions. i would do the following: remove older rpms (...57) then change all media related stuff to packman. (as i have written in a other mail at this list a couple of minutes before:) yast2 / softwaremanagement view / repositorys chose "packman" now in the top (over the list of package names) there is in blue color written: "switch system packages" klick on it and all packages what are already on your system AND also installable from the "packman" repo will be changed to packman. this works in most cases since years for normal use of the system. only if you try to compile things locally you could run into some errors because of the packman rpm's. and by the way, the codecs have to be from time to time checked, not always older packman codecs (57) will be removed if newer (58) will be installed. if you run into dependency problems, of course you could also have more versions on the system. but check (as mentioned before) that all are from packman. simoN -- www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/07/2020 16.35, James Knott wrote:

On 2020-07-06 10:28 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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However, this one also works fine in Chromium. It works fine in MozillaFirefox-77.0.1-1.2.x86_64 also.

and in Waterfox 2020.03 and in seamonkey-2.53.2-3.9.x86_64 but fails in    w3m-0.5.3+git20180125-1.7.x86_64         elinks-0.13~0.20190723-1.5.x86_64         links-2.20.2-1.2.x86_64         lynx-2.8.9rel.1-1.6.x86_64

As mentioned in another note, these problems started with 15.2.  I had no problem with 15.1.

Because you have not done the full packman switch. You must ensure to do this every time you install or upgrade openSUSE. You should know this. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2020-07-06 02:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I install anything in packman that contains "ffmpeg" or "libav" in the name.  I'm not sure if that is enough.

While Packman helped with the one link I provided, here's another that fails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepQloYhgqs

Works fine for me, on 68.9.0esr, Leap 15.1

You still haven't done the packman switch.

Actually, I did this morning and those links now work. Perhaps adding Packman could be an option during the install, to avoid all this stuff. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/07/2020 20.44, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

Le 06/07/2020 à 20:41, James Knott a écrit :

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Perhaps adding Packman could be an option during the install, to avoid all this stuff.

not legally possible :-(

and as long as I could test, packman is no more in the community repos... I had to go to the (very good) wiki page and add the repo by hand

I think the community list is retrieved online from somewhere, so perhaps somebody forgot to update it :-? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 06/07/2020 20.41, James Knott wrote:

On 2020-07-06 02:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I install anything in packman that contains "ffmpeg" or "libav" in the name.  I'm not sure if that is enough.

While Packman helped with the one link I provided, here's another that fails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepQloYhgqs

Works fine for me, on 68.9.0esr, Leap 15.1

You still haven't done the packman switch.

Actually, I did this morning and those links now work.

Perhaps adding Packman could be an option during the install, to avoid all this stuff.

Not legally. :-( Common, you have been here for years, you should know this. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

06.07.2020 22:02, James Knott пишет:

  Why doesn't Chromium have the same problem?

In which way? URL you provided fails in both Firefox and Chromium on Leap 15.2 with default repositories. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/07/2020 21.02, James Knott wrote:

On 2020-07-06 02:46 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Common, you have been here for years, you should know this.

There are a lot of people who might not know that who'll get frustrated at this sort of thing.

I was not talking about them, but about you. You are not new, you should know this. The situation is basically the same in decades. New people are directed by old people here or at the forum at the instructions on how to get multimedia working. I remember the forum has a sticky post in the multimedia area prominently explaining how to setup multimedia. You can, for instance, google "opensuse multimedia wiki page" and find things. https://en.opensuse.org/Concepts_multimedia https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Multimedia Mainly the first one links to several others: https://en.opensuse.org/Codecs https://www.opensuse-community.org/ https://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_formats https://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_formats https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Install_Packman_codecs https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Sound_concepts https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting And don't forget the one I mentioned at the forum: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/536314-Multimedia-Guide-for-openS... The 15.2 one hasn't being written yet.

Why doesn't Chromium have the same problem?

I don't have chromium, but I have Chrome, precisely because being commercial it does things differently. Probably includes some codecs inside. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2020-07-05 03:55 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

This runs perfectly with Firefox 68.9. What does it do in your browser? I go to the site and the CNN clip about Corona virus starts playing and the blonde girl starts jabbering away at it -- all good.

I don't do anything special, just clicked on your link and it started playing.

I got an error about HTML5.  This was on an update from 15.1.  I'll have to check on my notebook too.  Installing the VLC codecs seems to have fixed the problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org