On 18/05/15 17:48, Per Jessen wrote:

buhorojo wrote:

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http::HeaderTag*] = Authorization: Bearer I googled this, the first hit was:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/611801/grive-sync-error-possibly-google-api-s...

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Grive is using the defunct Documents List API. As of around 9AM PST we stopped serving these API requests. This is why the Grive client is receive '400 Bad Request' responses.

Looking at the project, it appears to be unmaintained for almost a year and definitely hasn't been updated (here & here) to the new API that was released in 2012 when Documents List was officially deprecated.

OK. So must use something else. What do others here use? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/18/2015 11:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

heck, I do that with my phone/tablet across various sources: my IMAP, my calendar (google), dropbox. I also run a ownCloud server so I can sync my music files.

Agreed, we need to know the objective first. Probably if he just wants to move things between platforms he just need a common client on both (or all) platforms. Maybe Dropbox is good for this, as the clients seem to be universal, and integrate well with linux. Its not as secure as it pretends to be. If he want some form of cloud storage for his private stuff, I can't think of a worse platform than Google Drive, where nothing is encrypted, and nothing is free from prying eyes of Google's robots and Three Letter Agencies. OwnCloud probably isn't a solution here because of new user teething problems of the OP. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 18/05/15 22:05, John Andersen wrote:

On 05/18/2015 11:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I do that

Agreed, we need to know the objective first.

All my school stuff is on google. On windows there is an app that either uploads or downloads whenever there is activity either on drive or on the ground. You can work without wifi and it copies when you next connect. So that's google drive. No alternatives. Nothing else. It works for everyone else and I can't suggest 600 others change. grive is half way there but it only works one way. A both-ways-grive would be perfect. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 5/18/2015 11:25 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

buhorojo wrote:

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On 18/05/15 22:05, John Andersen wrote:

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On 05/18/2015 11:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I do that

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Agreed, we need to know the objective first.

All my school stuff is on google. On windows there is an app that either uploads or downloads whenever there is activity either on drive or on the ground. You can work without wifi and it copies when you next connect. So that's google drive. No alternatives. Nothing else.

Have you looked for "grive alternatives"? I went and did some googling -

http://www.howtogeek.com/196635/an-official-google-drive-for-linux-is-here-s...

I believe that is known not to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/19/2015 02:14 AM, buhorojo wrote:

On 18/05/15 22:05, John Andersen wrote:

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On 05/18/2015 11:24 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I do that

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Agreed, we need to know the objective first.

All my school stuff is on google.

By that do you mean "I have chose to put my schoolwork on google drive" or "The school has put all assignment and working on google drive" The distinction is important! If the former, its your decision and you can change if you have adequate reason and motivation. If the latter then you are constrained. Which is it?

On windows there is an app that either

Oh, and what is that? it would be nice to know so we can see what its exact functionality/constraint are.

uploads or downloads whenever there is activity either on drive or on the ground.

What you are describing is no different from the (dozens and dozens) of sync apps for my Android phone and tablet :-) As it happens I sync with dropbox and my personal ownCloud server, the latter using WebDav. You might google for WebDav based alternatives. Looking at the descriptions of some of the apps at the google, amazon and Samsung appstores I see that they have the capability to sync with a whole slew of providers, including google drive. In fact Drive seens to be the only thing they ALL cover. If I were you I'd look at them and vollow the links to the developers' web sites and see if they offer other sync tools ... or perhaps mail them and ask. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/05/15 14:27, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 05/19/2015 02:14 AM, buhorojo wrote:

What you are describing is no different from the (dozens and dozens) of sync apps for my Android phone and tablet

Good for you with your 'phone, but of no use for this thread:( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-19 18:49, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 05/19/2015 12:20 PM, buhorojo wrote:

As John points out you can use your browser!

You can also access Drive via

FTP (File Transfer Protocol) SFTP (SSH Secure File Transfer) WebDAV(Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning) Windows Azure Rackspace Cloud Files

That means you can make use of Linux tools such as cURL and Wget as well!

But those are not automatic. The idea is that you work on your files, with or without internet, and when you do connect the file(s) is automatically transferred in the appropriate direction. I don't use any such thing on Internet, but I use unison between desktop and laptop machine. It does that, but it requires ssh access. The problem here is that Google does not maintain a client for Linux. Maybe the protocol is open, but has somebody made a nice client for Linux? Or one for Windows that works under wine? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVbfJcACgkQja8UbcUWM1xAegD8C03OUU4585+zSGMHgotJEqy/ GYy3rDAptIv2xfrJ0rQA+QG8VWy+fMg/obj2Q7H1W0yn8ws1xC3FTUclalj5Gayz =zKYw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-19 22:27, John Andersen wrote:

The problem seems to be it costs a whole 20 bucks,

Not nice. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVbnYsACgkQja8UbcUWM1w8lgEAigk2bIL3BnwSuqpkg3UUTINY X+LtyuH7vyLu/4uiM1MA+QHD3Q4LV78+fYbr17o2+PEn5LzgGwXe6ZXCTFyj7vsL =QkVW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/19/2015 08:02 PM, John M Andersen wrote:

The question you have to ask is "Will this save me $20 worth of aggravation?".

What's you bill-out rate? Somewhere between $40 and $160/hr depending on age, experience and other factors. So if you've spent more than half an hour flutzing over this the purchase with worth it. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 20/05/15 02:02, John M Andersen wrote:

On 5/19/2015 1:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-05-19 22:27, John Andersen wrote:

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The problem seems to be it costs a whole 20 bucks,

Not nice.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

The question you have to ask is "Will this save me $20 worth of aggravation?".

The OP seems strongly committed to Google drive, so I suspect it might be worth it for him. Please don't repeat things. I read every post here. I am not committed to anything. It is what I have to work with.

If I really do need to spell it out: I am trying to get Linux accepted in my school. Starting out by asking for $20 per student is a non starter.

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On 05/19/2015 02:10 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

But those are not automatic.

The idea is that you work on your files, with or without internet, and when you do connect the file(s) is automatically transferred in the appropriate direction.

Oh, gee Carlos, not you too! Put a wrapper round it and make use of fswatch. It's even there in the Cyberduck blog! https://blog.cyberduck.io/2015/04/23/use-cli-with-fswatch/ which is on the first page when I google for 'fswatch'. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/19/2015 04:54 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

It says "upload". The wanted procedure has to upload or download in the appropriate direction each time it is called. It has to detect what files changed, either on google or locally, and copy the appropriate version to the other side. And in case both changed since the last sync, it has to warn.

I'm sorry, Carlos, but perhaps its that I RTFM'd the _duck docs more completely. First, it has both upload and download capability. Second, it has a "syncronise" option. Brute force, idiot simple would be to use that with CRON. Not elegant, and it might mean that you got copies 34 then 36 because of the timing of the CRON job, but is that really significant if the issue is "most up to date"? heck, other people might be working while you are sleeping so you'd miss a revision or few in the normal course of things anyway. Third, you could have a couple of scripts as well as the cron triggered one to do things like "synchronise all other downloads after I do an upload". Fourth, _duck has a 'list files in remote folder' option. Run that and cut out the date to see what's changed recently. Pretty standard scripting stuff. Some of this might be challenging for pure shell scripting which is why I like using Perl, Ruby or Python for anything much above a one-liner or simple "for each... " script. I've done a couple of Perl/TK scripts in my time but apart from using VIM, Thunderbird and systemsettings I'm not really a GUI guy. I *know* intellectually that you can put a GUI wrapper around just about anything, I've even seen it done in the SCO days for simple 'grep' and 'find', something I cosnidered gratuitous. But I don't need it so long as I have a command line and VIM. My point here is that this is not about uung *just* _duck or *just* rsync, but wrapping them up in a script. it s a good, time hounoured *NIX tradition. ============== A few other things occurred to me and I found a bit more googing to second and third pages ... As I said, I run my own ownCloud server on a broke (dead screen) laptop under my desk. ownCloud can sync to other stores, it has an 'external storage' option. With a slight proviso, that doesn't apply in my case' Google Drive and be the store for you ownCloud. That means the issue of ownCloud not being applicable that was brought up earlier does not apply. So, set this up and have the store look like something local. That opens up a whole raft of possibilities! What is they say about solving problems by introducing a level of indirection .... ? ============== More googling runs up Osync <quote src="http://www.netpower.fr/osync"> Osync is a robust bidirectional file synchronization tool written in bash and based on rsync. It works on local and / or remote directories via ssh tunnels. It's mainly targeted to be launched as cron task, with features turned towards automation among: Execution time control Fault tolerance with possibility to resume on error Soft deletion, on-conflict backups with automatic cleanup Alert notifications via email Before and /or after time controlled local and / or remote command execution File monitor mode </quote> Again, if its not _exactly_ what you want, its a script and so you can modify it to do more, you can add features, add external programs to carry out additions tasks, and more. ============== I freely admit this is different from the Windows approach of installing a program that does the job and you don't have to think about it. As I've commented before, that's the difference between Linux and Windows. There are a few classics like Kernighan and Pike's "The Unix Programming Environment" which illustrate the point of "UNIX as Tools". http://www.memecenter.com/fun/926560/the-difference -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward wrote:

On 05/19/2015 12:20 PM, buhorojo wrote:

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On 19/05/15 14:27, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/19/2015 02:14 AM, buhorojo wrote:

What you are describing is no different from the (dozens and dozens) of sync apps for my Android phone and tablet

Good for you with your 'phone, but of no use for this thread:(

You are missing the point.

Its good for me because I use a phone. But the point I'm making and which you are missing is that there is an underlying protocol for accessing google drive which is quite independent of my Samsung phone. It works for Apple phone, Sony phones, Microsoft phones. Its not tied to Android. The protocol is published, unlike various ones from Microsoft!

As John points out you can use your browser!

Which does not provide 2-way sync between Google drive and a local folder. Guys, give buhorojo some leeway - his questions might not be opensuse-specific nor overly well formulated, but read between the lines and you'll see what he wants.

You can also access Drive via

FTP (File Transfer Protocol) SFTP (SSH Secure File Transfer) WebDAV(Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning)

Only the latter might possibly give him transparent 2-way sync.

Windows Azure Rackspace Cloud Files

Huh???

All of the above is relevant to this thread.

Perhaps, but not really to what buhorojo wants. In case you have yet to understand, he wants <something> that can be installed on openSUSE that will keep keep a local filesystem folder in-sync with Google Drive, preferably 2-way. (buhorojo, please correct me if I have completely misunderstood). Personally, I know nothing about Google Drive, so can't help much with that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/05/15 21:26, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Guys, give buhorojo some leeway - his questions might not be opensuse-specific nor overly well formulated, but read between the lines and you'll see what he wants. Yep :-)

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Perhaps, but not really to what buhorojo wants. In case you have yet to understand, he wants <something> that can be installed on openSUSE that will keep keep a local filesystem folder in-sync with Google Drive, preferably 2-way. (buhorojo, please correct me if I have completely misunderstood). Personally, I know nothing about Google Drive, so can't help much with that. Same here. I don't use such a thing, but I wold be interested in knowing how to do it, just in case.

Hi I think many here will already be doing it. Just not with Google Drive, e.g. Dropbox is very popular and has an excellent Linux client which synchronises both ways. Looking at the list archive it seems that many have Dropbox on their opensuse installations. We moved to docs last September having suffered a year of workgroups and a disastrous migration to AD where we spent 3 months unable to share anything other than by usb memory. This is the last piece of the puzzle; google file sharing and locking seems superior to anything AD has, and for schools at least costs nothing. I just hope we can sort something out. Once again I apologise for my crap questions but please remember that those of us born this century have a different view of what ICT is, was and shall be. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-20 00:34, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM, buhorojo <> wrote:

If you ever want to expand out of Google Drive to other options, add SpiderOak to you list to evaluate.

The choice is not his, so he can't. Others of us, yep. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVbxg4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1xLigD/dmS/ivziEaIVzNcWuzNWPc5F MZM2uYSDrKo0BoU5FosA/iiLCw4SCIq+/ZZdsQYq7JKIbm0Y3RoGoXGNsVXxuNUI =bAdF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:19 PM, John M Andersen wrote:

On 5/19/2015 3:34 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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If you ever want to expand out of Google Drive to other options, add SpiderOak to you list to evaluate.

Plus One for SpiderOak. (not that it helps buhorojo in this case).

I'm a paying customer, 100gig (I use no where near that much).

I back up three different machines to SpiderOak, one windows server and two Linux servers, each via the Backup settings (with versioning, so can step and roll-back changes to my source code, etc). I don't use it so much for syncing, but for what little syncing I do it works great.

I have 3 of us on a "mobile office", so our "share" or NFS drive is actually a SpiderOak share. Currently at 60GB or so with 6 computers syncing to the share. (So a paying customer as well, and a satisfied one). It's not instantaneous, but typically within 30 minutes even 30MB or so files replicate. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

U On May 20, 2015 1:47:13 AM EDT, buhorojo wrote:

On 20/05/15 03:48, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:19 PM, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 5/19/2015 3:34 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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If you ever want to expand out of Google Drive to other options, add SpiderOak to you list to evaluate.

Plus One for SpiderOak. (not that it helps buhorojo in this case).

I'm a paying customer, 100gig (I use no where near that much).

I back up three different machines to SpiderOak, one windows server and two Linux servers, each via the Backup settings (with versioning, so can step and roll-back changes to my source code, etc). I don't use it so much for syncing, but for what little syncing I do it works great. I have 3 of us on a "mobile office", so our "share" or NFS drive is actually a SpiderOak share.

I'm lost with this. I want to sync google drive to an offline folder. What are you talking about? How does this help?

I apologize, spideroak could replace the entire Google drive set-up but it has no ability to replace just grive. Greg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/20/2015 04:29 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:

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On May 20, 2015 1:47:13 AM EDT, buhorojo wrote:

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On 20/05/15 03:48, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:19 PM, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 5/19/2015 3:34 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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If you ever want to expand out of Google Drive to other options, add SpiderOak to you list to evaluate.

Plus One for SpiderOak. (not that it helps buhorojo in this case).

I'm a paying customer, 100gig (I use no where near that much).

I back up three different machines to SpiderOak, one windows server and two Linux servers, each via the Backup settings (with versioning, so can step and roll-back changes to my source code, etc). I don't use it so much for syncing, but for what little syncing I do it works great. I have 3 of us on a "mobile office", so our "share" or NFS drive is actually a SpiderOak share.

I'm lost with this. I want to sync google drive to an offline folder. What are you talking about? How does this help?

I apologize, spideroak could replace the entire Google drive set-up but it has no ability to replace just grive.

Greg

Well, he probably couldn't afford it within his school budget. However, each user can get a free dropbox account, and SOME (windows/mac) MACHINE somewhere could sync the big shared drive account to an equally sized dropbox account, which could be shared widely. Two steps, but better than one non-working step. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-19 22:18, buhorojo wrote:

On 19/05/15 20:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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In case you have yet to understand, he wants <something> that can be installed on openSUSE that will keep keep a local filesystem folder in-sync with Google Drive, preferably 2-way. (buhorojo, please correct me if I have completely misunderstood). Personally, I know nothing about Google Drive, so can't help much with that.

Yes, thanks. That's exactly it. Something like dropbox (where 2 way synchronisation works perfectly on opensuse 13.2) but for drive.

There is a command line client mentioned here: http://www.howtogeek.com/196635/an-official-google-drive-for-linux-is-here-s... It is a CLI named "drive". But it is not automatic, you have to decide the direction, upload/download. It was made by a google developer. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVb5I0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1wNRAEAnImAVfXTJKRB8Yt8/9r8GT3g VLRQ22/9TvbHqPZqbX8BAIOiNAhSOuA5ja35YB+E85kIyiSDypll/YxdreBLR/mV =oMKQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/20/2015 01:41 AM, buhorojo wrote:

On 19/05/15 18:49, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/19/2015 12:20 PM, buhorojo wrote:

You can also access Drive via

FTP (File Transfer Protocol) Nonsense.

Please do pay attention. While Google drive is not a traditional file system there are tools that make it appear so. Actually there is a lot of this about. When you 'talk' to your camera, for example, the protocol layering makes it appear as a file system even though the MTP is not a file system like Samba or NFS. You end up mounting via FUSE so it LOOKS like a file system. In this context I'd been discussion _duck, and it has a FTP mode, the rest of the post that you've deleted where I referenced https://duck.sh/?l=en that does a similar 'trick'. The list, of which you've only left that one item, is from one of the _duck documentation pages. Usage:duck [options...] URLs must be fully qualified. Paths can either denote a remote file (ftps://user@example.net/resource) or folder ftps://user@example.net/directory/) with a trailing slash. Supported protocols ftp FTP (File Transfer Protocol) ftp://<hostname>/<folder>/<file> .... </quote> Now as it happens there *IS* an ongoing development to make google drive "mountable" as a FUSE. https://github.com/jcline/fuse-google-drive Perhaps you'd care to contribute to that if you consider making Drive available to Linux to be an important matter. -- https://code.google.com/p/googlecl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2015-05-21 08:23, buhorojo wrote:

On 20/05/15 16:17, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/20/2015 01:41 AM, buhorojo wrote:

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On 19/05/15 18:49, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/19/2015 12:20 PM, buhorojo wrote:

You can also access Drive via

FTP (File Transfer Protocol) Nonsense.

You honestly believe that Google are stupid enough to allow you to ftp to drive? Get real. Please just go away. You are a total and utter waste of time. Not just for us either.

He is not saying that. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

* buhorojo [05-21-15 15:01]:

On 21/05/15 12:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-05-21 08:23, buhorojo wrote:

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On 20/05/15 16:17, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/20/2015 01:41 AM, buhorojo wrote:

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On 19/05/15 18:49, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/19/2015 12:20 PM, buhorojo wrote:

You can also access Drive via

FTP (File Transfer Protocol) Nonsense. You honestly believe that Google are stupid enough to allow you to ftp to drive? Get real. Please just go away. You are a total and utter waste of time. Not just for us either. He is not saying that.

Quite. But at least it's shut him up.

And why would you want to effect this? He is trying to help you as are many other and you summarily dismiss him. You give ambiguous answers to questions or completely ignore them and the questions are really necessary to give intelligent answers to the situation you have. And you have *never* given an up-to-date complete discreption of your needs, in line with the questions posed. Everyone is left with innuendos and partial descriptions and forced to make assumtions which make an *ass*out*of*u*and*me*. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* buhorojo [05-21-15 16:25]:

On 21/05/15 21:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* buhorojo [05-21-15 15:01]:

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Quite. But at least it's shut him up.

And why would you want to effect this? He is trying to help you as are many other and you summarily dismiss him. You give ambiguous answers to questions or completely ignore them and the questions are really necessary to give intelligent answers to the situation you have. And you have *never* given an up-to-date complete discreption of your needs, in line with the questions posed. Everyone is left with innuendos and partial descriptions and forced to make assumtions which make an *ass*out*of*u*and*me*.

He is not trying to help us. He is a pompous, sarcastic and has no idea of what it is like in the real world. We do not want his help. Most users have gone out of their way to help us not only to get started for the first time on a mailing list but actually take in interest and help us to formulate questions. Each post takes us nearer our goal. Without the help we have received here, we would be nowhere near. No one is forcing you to read our thread. Please simply ignore us. Thank you.

You are very welcome Your wishes: :0: ^From:.*buhorojo /dev/null done! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org