benang@cs.its.ac.id wrote:

Okay, I've used the "init 0" for shutting down for a week now. Well, it can always shut my machine down. But some of the time, the hard drive apparently wasn't unmounted because occasionally when I turn on the machine, it always replayed transactions. There's about 200 transaction replayed when this happens. So, I am worried that eventually it will corrupt my Linux. Is there any other way to solve this problem?

Thanks.

Hans defaber said:

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benang@cs.its.ac.id wrote:

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Hi, I've installed a new SuSE 10.1 with some additional packages that I've downloaded from the net. Now I can't shut down. I think it was all because I installed fuse 2.6.5 and ntfs-3g 1.516. Even in startup the kernel is marked tainted because of the fuse package. How can I fix this?

Thanks in advance.

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Try to open a terminal window. login as root (su , password) Then type init 0

Does that work ?

Succes, Hans

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The shutdown procedure is not much more than a'n init 0 , the init program is the workhorse of the startup and shutdown. If you look at the shutdown messages on your screen, you should see at the end the unmount messages of all disks. I think your real problem is a program that should be shut down first before the systemshutdown. Mostly database applications have a separate shutdown. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Well, when I looked at Yast, there's actually a Fuse package. But it is still the 2.5.2-10 version. When I look at ntfs-3g's website, it said that I should install fuse version 2.6 or more. So I decided to download the latest stable fuse source code and install it with the usual "configure", "make"," make install" steps. Btw, when I look at Yast or do a "rpm -qa|grep fuse", it said my fuse is still the fuse from SuSE (v2.5.2-10). But when I do a "dmesg|grep fuse", it displayed this: fuse: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag. fuse init (API version 7.8) fuse distribution version: 2.6.5 So maybe there're 2 instances of fuse in my computer and this is causing my computer cannot be shut down. As for a program that needs to be closed, maybe that's the case. But I don't use any database. My usual applications used were KDevelop, Firefox, Amarok, Konsole, Kwrite, Konqueror (for browsing local or intranet), and sometimes KGet. And for the service daemons running in the background, I think they're the standard ones from SuSE. I can't integrate any package to the system. Didn't have the knowledge yet. I'm probably still 1 - 2 level above a Linux newbie. :D Thanks. Hans defaber said:

Hans defaber wrote:

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The shutdown procedure is not much more than a'n init 0 , the init program is the workhorse of the startup and shutdown.

If you look at the shutdown messages on your screen, you should see at the end the unmount messages of all disks.

I think your real problem is a program that should be shut down first before the systemshutdown. Mostly database applications have a separate shutdown.

Once more thinking about yout problem. Fuse is a userspace file system, I do'nt have any knowledge about this package, but userspace means that all actions are done and should be done in userspace. So the dismount of all userspace filesystem most done before you can shutdown or maybe logout. Shutdown (init) is a systemspace action. So far as I know is fuse not integrated in suse, You have to be your own systemsintegrator . A difficult and interesting job. Succes, Hans

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Thanks, I'll try that. Well, I can't shutdown using either: 1. Shutdown using KDE's K menu 2. Ctrl-Alt-F1, root login, and call "shutdown -h" Even when rebooting, sometimes it just didn't work. I have to reboot from KDE's K menu and press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, root login, and then "init 0". But after this, in the next boot there's lots of transaction replaying. I'll try using "init 3" to check it out. Thanks. Rajko M. said:

On Monday 16 July 2007 22:16, benang@cs.its.ac.id wrote:

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Okay, I've used the "init 0" for shutting down for a week now. Well, it can always shut my machine down. But some of the time, the hard drive apparently wasn't unmounted because occasionally when I turn on the machine, it always replayed transactions. There's about 200 transaction replayed when this happens. So, I am worried that eventually it will corrupt my Linux. Is there any other way to solve this problem?

You can't shutdown using what?

The init 0 from console gives very little time applications to exit cleanly, but most of them, if they listen the kernel, will have enough time to exit. So this seems to be some buggy application that doesn't pay attention to kernel messages.

Is that fuse and ntfs-3g or something else you can find out if you remove them from system, if symptoms remain than it is not this 2 and you can go further.

What I would do is Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get text mode terminal. Log in as root, and that run init 3 to see what is hanging. If you don't get command prompt after "init 3" than press Enter it should appear. I suspect that some of GUI application doesn't exit.

If all seems OK and you get your command prompt, than from here you can run init 0 to shutdown or init 6 to reboot computer and see is there again error messages and transaction replay.

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Yeah, sorry I forgot. I usually used "shutdown -h 0" or "shutdown -h now". BTW, these also occurs. 3. Shutdown using K menu and hangs, pressed Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, root login, do a "shutdown -h 0". 4. Shutting down by pressing the power button directly always crashed the machine. I used the standard acpid from the SuSE installer and the service is still working in the background. The machine still crashed. It usually crashed when unmounting, shutting down haldaemon or syslogd. Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) said:

Hi,

Just checking your shutdown syntax FYI.

benang@cs.its.ac.id wrote:

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Thanks, I'll try that. Well, I can't shutdown using either: 1. Shutdown using KDE's K menu 2. Ctrl-Alt-F1, root login, and call "shutdown -h"

Do remember that the shutdown argument needs a time variable as well. I normally do a 'shutdown -h now' from a root console and system goes and halts/dies as it should.

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