Hi, don't get me wrong, but in my opinion you wrote something wrong: A Hacker doesn't sell illegal copies of software. I think that it's a pity that so many people mix up the meaning of hacker and cracker. In short: hackers are the good ones, crackers are the bad ones. So, if you want to gete illegal software (warez) you goto a cracker. If it'S something about security then you got to a hacker. I really hate, that even in tv crackers were called hackers. There are much more infos about that on the web. And somtehing else: a windoze dll is part of a programm rather than a normal file like doc files. Another reason for people to use M$ products may be, that most of them know windows already and use it at work (i'm forced to use WinNT, too, but i'm using Linux as much as possible). Peer PS: Why are'n penguins able to fly? Something, that can't fly can't crash!
-----Original Message----- From: Josi L. Rojano [mailto:jlrojano@bifap.org] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:45 PM To: Lennart Bvrjeson; suse-linux-e Subject: RE: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
Hi!
I would add one more reason to explain the popularity of Windows/Office package: piracy (and hence a software that is almost FREE). I mean, everybody can get a very cheap copy of the Windows/Office package from a hacker and install it on their computers.
IMHO if users would have to pay for installing this package, a lot of them would have simply give up and forget about the M$ SW... That why M$ have resigned the new licensing policy scheme. They know that piracy have also a great positive impact on their success... (in terms of acceptance of their formats: .doc .dll and so on)...
That's my opinion.
Regards,
Jose.
-----Mensaje original----- De: Lennart Bvrjeson [mailto:LennartB@cinnober.com] Enviado el: viernes, 01 de junio de 2001 12:21 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: SV: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
The success of Windows rests on three pillars:
1) The acceptance of Windows as a game console.
This is what most home PCs are used for. The typical Windows user wants out-of-the-box games compatibility. Just insert the CD!
2) The adoption of Word as a format for the exchange of documents.
How many times have you not received a Word document in mail or via a web page? And with consistent regularity, it will have been made with a Word version later than the one you have, which forces you to upgrade. And the latest version of Word/Excel/etc is only available on the Windows platform... (This is, BTW, what killed NT on the RISC platforms (Mips, PowerPC, Alpha). There was ONLY Windows available, no office applications, which forced every user who needed the extra muscle offered by RISC to have two workstations at his/her desk.)
3) The adoption of Exchange in the business community.
This immediately forces all clients to use Outlook, which is only available on Windows. Yes, you can use POP3/IMAP/SMTP, but you'll miss out on all the "extra" group-ware utilities bundled with Exchange.
(I've heard a rumour that the Web-interface of Exchange2000 can do everything Outlook can, but I'll bet that only applies to users of IE5+ on Windows...)
Linux needs to counter Windows on all three fronts by offering 99.9% Windows compatibility + superior features, otherwise the common non-techie person won't stand the hassle of converting.
/Lennart
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: yamaska.mail [mailto:yamaska.mail@planet.nl] Skickat: den 31 maj 2001 18:27 Till: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net Kopia: suse-linux-e@suse.com Dmne: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
Worse yet, you don't even get Visual Basic, they make you buy this as well !!!
Greetz Pete (A newbie)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Drews" <j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> To: "Ben Rosenberg" <ben@whack.org> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Thursday, 31 May, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
On Wednesday 30 May 2001 22:51, Ben wrote:
I would rather pay $50 every 6 months then $300 (W2K Feb 2000) then have to spend another $150-200 for XP 18 months later..and when Linux improves..it impoves..it's not just cosmetic most of the time. This is just my opinion.
I would rather pay $300.00 for 3 Linux Distros than be given Microsoft Windows for free.
How the hell M$ sold so much software is a mystery to me. It's really pathetic stuff. The detractors of Linux say it comes with no applications. Are these people brain dead? All Linux distros come with C, C++, Python and Perl. All you get with M$ is Visual Basic. I'd rather use my K+E Log-Log Duplex Decitrig slide rule that that stuff.
-- Cheers,
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Hello Cristoph! On Friday 01 June 2001 13:24, Peer-Christoph Mettelem wrote:
Hi,
don't get me wrong, but in my opinion you wrote something wrong: A Hacker doesn't sell illegal copies of software. I think that it's a pity that so many people mix up the meaning of hacker and cracker. In short: hackers are the good ones, crackers are the bad ones. So, if you want to gete illegal software (warez) you goto a cracker. If it'S something about security then you got to a hacker. I really hate, that even in tv crackers were called hackers. There are much more infos about that on the web.
Indeed. It really made me mad watching "Who wants to be a millionaire" that day they asked the contestant the following question: "How do we call people, breaking into computers and causing damage". Maybe this isn't the best translation but ok, You got the point ;-). Well, here goes the answers: a) Broker b) Joker c) Hacker d) Darker. Duh. I wish the contestand called me up for some help :-)
Heres my .2 euros I have a machine at home with Linux on it, working as a Unix software engineer it is handier and well I'm not a M$ fan, now the partner uses the machine also, and was compling about Linux saying its a techie's OS and that it is all command line, you know the usaual compliants, Until I installed KDE 2.1.1, now she thinks thats it's some custimized version of windows and loves it, but she is totaly ignorant of the underlining technology. Now it there was a more ideal way for totaly point and click people to have some sort of universal install shield, it has to be even easier that kpakage, to install software I know more people would move across. Anyhow Just my opion. Jason. On Friday 01 June 2001 12:24, Peer-Christoph Mettelem wrote:
Hi,
don't get me wrong, but in my opinion you wrote something wrong: A Hacker doesn't sell illegal copies of software. I think that it's a pity that so many people mix up the meaning of hacker and cracker. In short: hackers are the good ones, crackers are the bad ones. So, if you want to gete illegal software (warez) you goto a cracker. If it'S something about security then you got to a hacker. I really hate, that even in tv crackers were called hackers. There are much more infos about that on the web.
And somtehing else: a windoze dll is part of a programm rather than a normal file like doc files.
Another reason for people to use M$ products may be, that most of them know windows already and use it at work (I'm forced to use WinNT, too, but i'm using Linux as much as possible).
Peer
PS: Why are'n penguins able to fly? Something, that can't fly can't crash!
-----Original Message----- From: Josi L. Rojano [mailto:jlrojano@bifap.org] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:45 PM To: Lennart Bvrjeson; suse-linux-e Subject: RE: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
Hi!
I would add one more reason to explain the popularity of Windows/Office package: piracy (and hence a software that is almost FREE). I mean, everybody can get a very cheap copy of the Windows/Office package from a hacker and install it on their computers.
IMHO if users would have to pay for installing this package, a lot of them would have simply give up and forget about the M$ SW... That why M$ have resigned the new licensing policy scheme. They know that piracy have also a great positive impact on their success... (in terms of acceptance of their formats: .doc .dll and so on)...
That's my opinion.
Regards,
Jose.
-----Mensaje original----- De: Lennart Bvrjeson [mailto:LennartB@cinnober.com] Enviado el: viernes, 01 de junio de 2001 12:21 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: SV: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
The success of Windows rests on three pillars:
1) The acceptance of Windows as a game console.
This is what most home PCs are used for. The typical Windows user wants out-of-the-box games compatibility. Just insert the CD!
2) The adoption of Word as a format for the exchange of documents.
How many times have you not received a Word document in mail or via a web page? And with consistent regularity, it will have been made with a Word version later than the one you have, which forces you to upgrade. And the latest version of Word/Excel/etc is only available on the Windows platform... (This is, BTW, what killed NT on the RISC platforms (Mips, PowerPC, Alpha). There was ONLY Windows available, no office applications, which forced every user who needed the extra muscle offered by RISC to have two workstations at his/her desk.)
3) The adoption of Exchange in the business community.
This immediately forces all clients to use Outlook, which is only available on Windows. Yes, you can use POP3/IMAP/SMTP, but you'll miss out on all the "extra" group-ware utilities bundled with Exchange.
(I've heard a rumour that the Web-interface of Exchange2000 can do everything Outlook can, but I'll bet that only applies to users of IE5+ on Windows...)
Linux needs to counter Windows on all three fronts by offering 99.9% Windows compatibility + superior features, otherwise the common non-techie person won't stand the hassle of converting.
/Lennart
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: yamaska.mail [mailto:yamaska.mail@planet.nl] Skickat: den 31 maj 2001 18:27 Till: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net Kopia: suse-linux-e@suse.com Dmne: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
Worse yet, you don't even get Visual Basic, they make you buy this as well !!!
Greetz Pete (A newbie)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Drews" <j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> To: "Ben Rosenberg" <ben@whack.org> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Thursday, 31 May, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
On Wednesday 30 May 2001 22:51, Ben wrote:
I would rather pay $50 every 6 months then $300 (W2K Feb 2000) then have to spend
another $150-200 for
XP 18 months later..and when Linux improves..it
impoves..it's not just
cosmetic most of the time. This is just my opinion.
I would rather pay $300.00 for 3 Linux Distros than
be given Microsoft
Windows for free.
How the hell M$ sold so much software is a mystery
to me. It's really
pathetic stuff. The detractors of Linux say it comes
with no applications.
Are these people brain dead? All Linux distros come
with C, C++, Python and
Perl. All you get with M$ is Visual Basic. I'd
rather use my K+E Log-Log
Duplex Decitrig slide rule that that stuff.
-- Cheers,
Jonathan
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Jason A. Corcoran. <jason@corcoran.tc> wrote:
Now it there was a more ideal way for totaly point and click people to have some sort of universal install shield, it has to be even easier that kpakage, to install software I know more people would move across.
Make a shell script that runs: sudo rpm -U $* (I suddenly don't remember if $* is the correct name for all parameters, but some of the other guys on the list should know.) Then setup sudo to allow the chosen user to run rpm. Finally tell KDE to run your script whenever that user clicks on an rpm file. Now we just need someone smart to make it just as easy to uninstall. Regards Ole
From Ole Kofoed Hansen to suse-linux-e@suse.com about Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!:
(I suddenly don't remember if $* is the correct name for all parameters, but some of the other guys on the list should know.)
Indeed it is. :)
Then setup sudo to allow the chosen user to run rpm. Finally tell KDE to run your script whenever that user clicks on an rpm file.
Now we just need someone smart to make it just as easy to uninstall.
Regards
Ole
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-- dieter
Right, technically speaking almost everyone on this mailing list is a "hacker". We are because we get into the guts of the OS and change things - config files, make files, write scripts, etc. Crackers and script kiddies are the ones that are the problem. They break into servers and data bases, and to DDoS attacks. Oh and run all those Warez sites with the pirated SF, the endless "open up new IE and Netscape" windows scripts and porn sites with viruses, bots, and trojan horses embedded in the pirated software. Hackers are good, Crackers are evil. Cheers, :-) Curtis On Friday 01 June 2001 06:24 am, Peer-Christoph Mettelem wrote:
Hi,
don't get me wrong, but in my opinion you wrote something wrong: A Hacker doesn't sell illegal copies of software. I think that it's a pity that so many people mix up the meaning of hacker and cracker. In short: hackers are the good ones, crackers are the bad ones. So, if you want to gete illegal software (warez) you goto a cracker. If it'S something about security then you got to a hacker. I really hate, that even in tv crackers were called hackers. There are much more infos about that on the web.
And somtehing else: a windoze dll is part of a programm rather than a normal file like doc files.
Another reason for people to use M$ products may be, that most of them know windows already and use it at work (i'm forced to use WinNT, too, but i'm using Linux as much as possible).
Peer
PS: Why are'n penguins able to fly? Something, that can't fly can't crash!
-----Original Message----- From: Josi L. Rojano [mailto:jlrojano@bifap.org] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:45 PM To: Lennart Bvrjeson; suse-linux-e Subject: RE: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
Hi!
I would add one more reason to explain the popularity of Windows/Office package: piracy (and hence a software that is almost FREE). I mean, everybody can get a very cheap copy of the Windows/Office package from a hacker and install it on their computers.
IMHO if users would have to pay for installing this package, a lot of them would have simply give up and forget about the M$ SW... That why M$ have resigned the new licensing policy scheme. They know that piracy have also a great positive impact on their success... (in terms of acceptance of their formats: .doc .dll and so on)...
That's my opinion.
Regards,
Jose.
-----Mensaje original----- De: Lennart Bvrjeson [mailto:LennartB@cinnober.com] Enviado el: viernes, 01 de junio de 2001 12:21 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: SV: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
The success of Windows rests on three pillars:
1) The acceptance of Windows as a game console.
This is what most home PCs are used for. The typical Windows user wants out-of-the-box games compatibility. Just insert the CD!
2) The adoption of Word as a format for the exchange of documents.
How many times have you not received a Word document in mail or via a web page? And with consistent regularity, it will have been made with a Word version later than the one you have, which forces you to upgrade. And the latest version of Word/Excel/etc is only available on the Windows platform... (This is, BTW, what killed NT on the RISC platforms (Mips, PowerPC, Alpha). There was ONLY Windows available, no office applications, which forced every user who needed the extra muscle offered by RISC to have two workstations at his/her desk.)
3) The adoption of Exchange in the business community.
This immediately forces all clients to use Outlook, which is only available on Windows. Yes, you can use POP3/IMAP/SMTP, but you'll miss out on all the "extra" group-ware utilities bundled with Exchange.
(I've heard a rumour that the Web-interface of Exchange2000 can do everything Outlook can, but I'll bet that only applies to users of IE5+ on Windows...)
Linux needs to counter Windows on all three fronts by offering 99.9% Windows compatibility + superior features, otherwise the common non-techie person won't stand the hassle of converting.
/Lennart
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: yamaska.mail [mailto:yamaska.mail@planet.nl] Skickat: den 31 maj 2001 18:27 Till: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net Kopia: suse-linux-e@suse.com Dmne: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
Worse yet, you don't even get Visual Basic, they make you buy this as well !!!
Greetz Pete (A newbie)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Drews" <j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> To: "Ben Rosenberg" <ben@whack.org> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Thursday, 31 May, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!
On Wednesday 30 May 2001 22:51, Ben wrote:
I would rather pay $50 every 6 months then $300 (W2K Feb 2000) then have to spend
another $150-200 for
XP 18 months later..and when Linux improves..it
impoves..it's not just
cosmetic most of the time. This is just my opinion.
I would rather pay $300.00 for 3 Linux Distros than
be given Microsoft
Windows for free.
How the hell M$ sold so much software is a mystery
to me. It's really
pathetic stuff. The detractors of Linux say it comes
with no applications.
Are these people brain dead? All Linux distros come
with C, C++, Python and
Perl. All you get with M$ is Visual Basic. I'd
rather use my K+E Log-Log
Duplex Decitrig slide rule that that stuff.
-- Cheers,
Jonathan
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I recently saw "script kiddies" abbreviated to "s'kiddies" (on The Reg, maybe) which I find more than appropriate. For those not from the UK, this may not mean a lot. Ask an English friend what it means, and you'll get the joke. Bye for now, Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: suse-linux-e-return-59609-stuart=yorkshirepudding.com@lists.suse.com [mailto:suse-linux-e-return-59609-stuart=yorkshirepudding.com@lists.suse .com]On Behalf Of Curtis Rey Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:22 AM To: Peer-Christoph Mettelem; suse-linux-e Subject: Re: [SLE] FW: [SLE] suse 7.2!! <snip>Crackers and script kiddies are the ones that are the problem. They break into servers and data bases, and to DDoS attacks. Oh and run all those Warez sites with the pirated SF, the endless "open up new IE and Netscape" windows scripts and porn sites with viruses, bots, and trojan horses embedded in the pirated software. Hackers are good, Crackers are evil. </snip>
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