[SLE] Linux vs. the rest of the world
I have read with a great deal of interest some recent threads about the relative merrits of Linux and some other operating systems. Various arguments have been put forward about the need to read and Bills way of making us work. I have recently (fairly successfully) installed and configured SuSE 6.4 on an existing Win98 box. This is not my first foree into Unix and Linux, I have been a Unix developer and user for over 10 years and have installed a much older linux envornment a few years ago. I think installing and running a Linux environment is not like running Win98. It is infinitely more complex, and the help and hand holding is much more patchy. I think Linux works well for the hardware that people have written drivers for and is popular and well tested. In windows if the driver for your hardware is not included in the OS then the harware supplier will give you one and support it. This just isn't the case for Linux. Having said all that, I don't believe a Linux based network is any more complex to configure and administer that an NT based one, and it is a lot more stable and robust. It is, like anything, a case or horses for courses. Linux will not take on the MS brigade in the home or even the office workstation market. If people are trying to use it in this sphere (creating PowerPoint presentations, etc) they are destined for failure. As a backend server, administered by people who know what they are doing, it is second to none, in my opinion. Just a thought Peter -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
peter.constantinou@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
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I think installing and running a Linux environment is not like running
Win98. It is infinitely more complex, and the help and
hand holding is much more patchy.
Agreed, however the rewards are greater. Knowledge for one. I can run circles around most self proclaimed "Windows Experts" even on windows which I don't use except at work or school.
I think Linux works well for the hardware that people have written drivers for and is popular and well tested. In windows if the driver for your hardware is not included in the OS then the harware supplier will give you one and support it. This just isn't the case for Linux.
One shortcoming that seems to be on the upswing. Look at Lucent and their "winmodem" drivers.
Having said all that, I don't believe a Linux based network is any more complex to configure and administer that an NT based one, and it is a lot more stable and robust.
Yep.
It is, like anything, a case or horses for courses. Linux will not take on the MS brigade in the home or even the office workstation market. If people are trying to use it in this sphere (creating PowerPoint presentations, etc) they are destined for failure. As a backend server, administered by people who know what they are doing, it is second to none, in my opinion.
Disagree. I use Linux at home on all my computers, including my laptop. I do my homework, which includes Powerpoint presentations and Word documents on Star office. So far I have run into zero problems. Once I get into the programming courses I'm not sure how that will work out since I have very little programming experience but I don't foresee a problem there either. -- B. L. Jilek <bljilek@bigfoot.com> | ICQ: 10733954 | Linux user: 163800 PGP: DSS 0x800B3A69 RSA 0x3F1963C5 | OS: SuSE Linux 6.3 --------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
peter.constantinou@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
Having said all that, I don't believe a Linux based network is any more complex to configure and administer that an NT based one, and it is a lot more stable and robust.
Couldn't agree more!
If people are trying to use it in this sphere (creating PowerPoint presentations, etc) they are destined for failure.
Disagree (partly) with this one :) I have found that the PowerPoint counterpart in SO is very "Win-like", in that, anyone who can make a presentation in PP, has no problems at all. I am working on an experiment wherein I am going to give a (pre-configured) Linux box to some people who have never used a PC before. They will get the same couple of hours instruction that most newbie users get with their Win boxes. Be interesting to compare the backup calls I get, to those I got ( and still get) from new Win users. -- This Email is 100% Virus Free! How do I know? Because no Microsoft products were used to generate it! Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING SuSE Linux 6.4 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
peter.constantinou@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
Having said all that, I don't believe a Linux based network is any
more complex to configure and administer that an NT
based one, and it is a lot more stable and robust.
Couldn't agree more!
If people are trying to use it in this sphere (creating PowerPoint
Please, please, please will you post the results back here. My boss is keen(-ish) on Linux but he doesn't want to be the first. If you see what I mean. Having another's experiences to point to would help enormously in my on-going "nag" campaign. Thanks. Paul Hornshaw ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hansford <donh@halenet.com.au> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux vs. the rest of the world presentations, etc) they are destined for
failure.
Disagree (partly) with this one :) I have found that the PowerPoint counterpart in SO is very "Win-like", in that, anyone who can make a presentation in PP, has no problems at all. I am working on an experiment wherein I am going to give a (pre-configured) Linux box to some people who have never used a PC before. They will get the same couple of hours instruction that most newbie users get with their Win boxes. Be interesting to compare the backup calls I get, to those I got ( and still get) from new Win users.
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Paul , et all, I run a retial mens and ladies store. I so far have set up two dual boot windows/linux machines , one linux machine , a linux/samba server and a linux firewall that I have yet to finish. I started out with lantastic , then moved to CBIS (a netware like clone or somthing , then to windows 95/8 networking and finaly to LINUX. I threw suse linux on an old 486 just to test it out , and it out prefoermed windows for workgroups. That sold me on linux/samba as a server solution. It runs faster an lower end software. That allowed me to take an older Pentuim 166 and set it up a a server and get out of the problems of peer to peer networking and centralize tha data onto one server. Linux allowed me to do that for FREE. It only cost methe time to learn how to set it up. Reading the the docs and posting a few questions to this list solved all my problems. What I REALY like anout SUSE LINUX is that its ROCK SOLID. With windows it keeps changing the settings and configurations on me at the worst possible times , once when I was overseas. Not that realy sucks big time. With linux you set it up and can leave it for motns and monts on end. Its that solid. Sure you need to know your hardwatre and learn how to configure it , as well as insure that the hardware you have is well suported but once you have it set up , your done with it. When you ahve reached that level you will ahve a much better knoldege of how the system workd and interacts with each other part of it. With windows you are tied to thos wizards and check boxes and aoutconfig settings. With linux you are free. I started out with windows and due to linux am now shifting completly over to linux , one app at a time. I have only two apps that are windows specific. Every thing else is moved to linux. The apps are much more stable , and the os is free. the suport on the web is superb , especialy here on the suse list. All our new machines are linux only , and I still ahve the two dual boot for use with windows when needed. I am still upset with the multiple versions of each version of windows , and the inability up upgrade a previos releas of the same version to suport features that are in a newer release of the same , but M$ forces you to buy another upgrade. Ie fat suport was not in the first release but came out in service release 2 , if you had any thingeearlier you were shit out of luck and had to buy a new upgrade , while the hardare manufacures are shipping out systems with the newer relase that had suport ofr fat32. Were talking about the same version of windows here , just diffrent releaqs' Not so with linux , just download the new kernal and you ahve the new faetures. I also like the ability to compile a kernal and remove what I do not need from the kernal , althought with newere hardware tht is no longer needed as the newere stuff has more than enogh horsepower for linux. just my two cents. At 09:49 AM 6/28/2000 +0100, paul wrote:
Please, please, please will you post the results back here. My boss is keen(-ish) on Linux but he doesn't want to be the first. If you see what I mean. Having another's experiences to point to would help enormously in my on-going "nag" campaign.
Thanks.
Paul Hornshaw
----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hansford <donh@halenet.com.au> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] Linux vs. the rest of the world
peter.constantinou@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
Having said all that, I don't believe a Linux based network is any
more complex to configure and administer that an NT
based one, and it is a lot more stable and robust.
Couldn't agree more!
If people are trying to use it in this sphere (creating PowerPoint presentations, etc) they are destined for failure.
Disagree (partly) with this one :) I have found that the PowerPoint counterpart in SO is very "Win-like", in that, anyone who can make a presentation in PP, has no problems at all. I am working on an experiment wherein I am going to give a (pre-configured) Linux box to some people who have never used a PC before. They will get the same couple of hours instruction that most newbie users get with their Win boxes. Be interesting to compare the backup calls I get, to those I got ( and still get) from new Win users.
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paul wrote:
Please, please, please will you post the results back here. My boss is keen(-ish) on Linux but he doesn't want to be the first. If you see what I mean. Having another's experiences to point to would help enormously in my on-going "nag" campaign.
Thanks.
Paul Hornshaw
Will do, Paul :) -- This Email is 100% Virus Free! How do I know? Because no Microsoft products were used to generate it! Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING SuSE Linux 6.4 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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