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Frederik Vos

13 Mar 2003 13 Mar '03

11:57

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Oh good, I quess I will not buy, because I do not have A DVD. Thanks for the info.

Looks like I will not either!

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On Thu, Mar 13, Schulz Georges wrote:

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Then why is there only 5 CD's?

Because the sources are only on the second DVD.

This is a VERY POOR judgement call on your part SuSE!!! I like a few others on this list do not own a DVD drive but now you insist on putting the sources on a DVD??? What good is that going to do me??? Especially if I need to recompile something. I guess it is to cut down on cost but without the sources, you are no better than MS and like I stated before, others like me do not have broadband to download the sources. So what do users without a DVD and broadband do? I guess you are telling us like MS that we need to change our hardware!!!! What next activation??

Stop this troll please ... Is a dvd player that expensive ?? The gpl say nothing about how you deliver the source ... maybe they can sent you a book with all sources ..., then you have your source and you don't need any extra hardware. Otherwise just download the sources from the internet: 90% of the sources are not that big. Come on: everytime that Suse introduces a new version there are lamers again and again with myths and complainings before the release is even there. -- m vr gr Frederik Vos VosBerg@SuSE & L4L http://www.vosberg.be

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zentara

13 Mar 13 Mar

12:22

New subject: AW: [SLE] 8.2 Announced

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:57:33 +0100 Frederik Vos wrote:

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Quoting Marshall Heartley :

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Then why is there only 5 CD's? Because the sources are only on the second DVD.

This is a VERY POOR judgement call on your part SuSE!!! I like a few others on this list do not own a DVD drive but now you insist on putting the sources on a DVD??? What good is that going to do me???

Stop this troll please ... Is a dvd player that expensive ??

It can be on a laptop. Conversely, how expensive to make an extra cd (or 2) and put it a cardboard carrier? 20 cents US? -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

James Mohr

20:55

New subject: AW: [SLE] 8.2 Announced

On Thursday 13 March 2003 13:22, zentara wrote:

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:57:33 +0100

Frederik Vos wrote:

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Quoting Marshall Heartley :

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Then why is there only 5 CD's?

Because the sources are only on the second DVD.

This is a VERY POOR judgement call on your part SuSE!!! I like a few others on this list do not own a DVD drive but now you insist on putting the sources on a DVD??? What good is that going to do me???

Stop this troll please ... Is a dvd player that expensive ??

It can be on a laptop. Conversely, how expensive to make an extra cd (or 2) and put it a cardboard carrier? 20 cents US?

times 100,000 copies = $20,000. Yes, it's an issue. We're talking about 10-15% of the total production cost. Any smart business would jump at the chance to save even 5% of the production cost even if it is "only" 20 cents. No pun intended, but it definately makes sense for SuSE to do whatever it can to reduce costs. Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups, mailing lists or forums are subject to reposting.

Curtis Rey

21:26

New subject: AW: [SLE] 8.2 Announced

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fred, I must agree with you. I don't have a DVD but so what. They're very cheap now (about $30-40 US) and upgrading is a snap. Besides used DVD readers sold by upgrade junkies are usually fine and much cheaper ($15-20 if you look around a bit). This happens every time with a new release. It amazes me how people will nitpick these issues to death. It's not as if they were singled out or something, or that SuSE is in a position like some other monopolist that adopts the screw you - you'll pay for what we give you and like it atttitude. It's almost like those that complained that there wasn't floppies anymore. Most OEMs aren't even putting floopy drives in the systems anymore (at least in the US). It reminds of a saying (puts on flame retardant enviromentally controlled armored suit). Never teach a cat to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the cat! <jumps for the door to his bomb shelter> Cheers, Curtis :-O P.S. Come on guys lighten up! On Thursday 13 March 2003 05:57 am, Frederik Vos wrote:

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Quoting Marshall Heartley :

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Oh good, I quess I will not buy, because I do not have A DVD. Thanks for the info.

Looks like I will not either!

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On Thu, Mar 13, Schulz Georges wrote:

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Then why is there only 5 CD's?

Because the sources are only on the second DVD.

This is a VERY POOR judgement call on your part SuSE!!! I like a few others on this list do not own a DVD drive but now you insist on putting the sources on a DVD??? What good is that going to do me??? Especially if I need to recompile something. I guess it is to cut down on cost but without the sources, you are no better than MS and like I stated before, others like me do not have broadband to download the sources. So what do users without a DVD and broadband do? I guess you are telling us like MS that we need to change our hardware!!!! What next activation??

Stop this troll please ... Is a dvd player that expensive ?? The gpl say nothing about how you deliver the source ... maybe they can sent you a book with all sources ..., then you have your source and you don't need any extra hardware. Otherwise just download the sources from the internet: 90% of the sources are not that big. Come on: everytime that Suse introduces a new version there are lamers again and again with myths and complainings before the release is even there.

-- m vr gr Frederik Vos VosBerg@SuSE & L4L http://www.vosberg.be

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Robert Besaw

21:36

New subject: AW: [SLE] 8.2 Announced

...

Quoting Marshall Heartley :

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Oh good, I quess I will not buy, because I do not have A DVD. Thanks for the info.

Looks like I will not either!

...
On Thu, Mar 13, Schulz Georges wrote:

...
Then why is there only 5 CD's?

Because the sources are only on the second DVD.

This is a VERY POOR judgement call on your part SuSE!!! I like a few others on this list do not own a DVD drive but now you insist on

...

...
the sources on a DVD??? What good is that going to do me??? Especially if I need to recompile something. I guess it is to cut down on cost but without the sources, you are no better than MS and like I stated before, others like me do not have broadband to download the sources. So what do users without a DVD and broadband do? I guess you are telling us like MS that we need to change our hardware!!!! What next activation??

Stop this troll please ... Is a dvd player that expensive ?? The gpl say nothing about how you deliver the source ... maybe they can sent you a book with all sources ..., then you have your source and you don't need any extra hardware. Otherwise just download the sources from the internet: 90% of the

I believe this horse is as dead as it's going to get. -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Rey [mailto:crrey@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:26 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: AW: [SLE] 8.2 Announced -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fred, I must agree with you. I don't have a DVD but so what. They're very cheap now (about $30-40 US) and upgrading is a snap. Besides used DVD readers sold by upgrade junkies are usually fine and much cheaper ($15-20 if you look around a bit). This happens every time with a new release. It amazes me how people will nitpick these issues to death. It's not as if they were singled out or something, or that SuSE is in a position like some other monopolist that adopts the screw you - you'll pay for what we give you and like it atttitude. It's almost like those that complained that there wasn't floppies anymore. Most OEMs aren't even putting floopy drives in the systems anymore (at least in the US). It reminds of a saying (puts on flame retardant enviromentally controlled armored suit). Never teach a cat to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the cat! <jumps for the door to his bomb shelter> Cheers, Curtis :-O P.S. Come on guys lighten up! On Thursday 13 March 2003 05:57 am, Frederik Vos wrote: putting sources

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are not that big. Come on: everytime that Suse introduces a new version there are lamers again and again with myths and complainings before the release is even there.

-- m vr gr Frederik Vos VosBerg@SuSE & L4L http://www.vosberg.be

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