On Tuesday 06 November 2007 03:51:51 pm Sunny wrote:

On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan wrote:

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I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig?

Nothing stops you to do this, just /sbin is not in the default path,

so you need to run:

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/sbin/ifconfig

I really do not understand why /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in the default user path, as they are in most of other distros though. Many of the programs there are useful, and most important, runable as user, including route. Also, it kind of complicates the use of sudo as the OP said.

-- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.

Wow.. major overlook by myself. I seriously thought it would be there, but guess not. Thanks for pointing that out.. I feel pretty stupid now. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:51, Sunny wrote:

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On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan wrote:

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I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo <snip>

It would seem that many consider these programs the equivalent of loaded guns whose bullets ineluctably seek the critical regions of the user's system and, furthermore, that non-root users are universally idiotic.

Thus, to protect idiots from themselves, all users must enter the root password that they themselves chose when installing the system. This places the person who can accomplish this task in the upper one quarter of human intelligence. Those that can figure out how to use an absolute path name or change their PATH variable are clearly among the genius and are thus on their own.

lol I am sincerely hoping you are not entirely serious.... Security is as much a mindset as a set of tools. People of all levels of experience make mistakes. Distinguishing between 'working on the system' with a special account from 'working with the system' with a working account is a useful safety check ... There little distinction in end result to having no safety and accidentally shooting yourself in the foot; and having a safety, taking the safety of and deliberately shooting oneself in the foot. Except usually in the first instance you can blame whoever designed the gun, and in the second it would be your fault... One I can I suppose build systems which are more idiot proof... but as someone pointed out this does not work out, they just build a better class of idiot :-/

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-- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

RRS

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On Wednesday 07 November 2007 01:27, G T Smith wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Tuesday 06 November 2007 15:51, Sunny wrote:

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On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan wrote:

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I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo

<snip>

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It would seem that many consider these programs the equivalent of loaded guns ...

Thus, to protect idiots from themselves, ...

lol

I am sincerely hoping you are not entirely serious....

Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous. I'll have to work on that... RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Nov 7, 2007 9:16 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous.

I'll have to work on that...

You did not state you are British, that's why the confusion :) -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunny wrote:

On Nov 7, 2007 9:16 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Wow. I thought it was clear I was being entirely humorous.

I'll have to work on that...

You did not state you are British, that's why the confusion :)

Oops... Someone once said the British and the US Americans are two peoples divided by a common language... British irony often confuses US Americans, as many do not understand it. US American irony can confuse Brits because we are often a bit uncertain about whether it was intended. (Especially if we have had contact with US citizens abroad) .... Speaking as the Brit in the equation... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMs+3asN0sSnLmgIRAlCvAKDMg3BitP2TBaZdJ5ANchXUXZgHMgCgr0bz IOe2SGCTt1e8m7WvaTVN72c= =inM8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 06:51:51 pm Sunny wrote:

On Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM, Ben Kevan wrote:

...

I am sure this has been discussed before, but will openSUSE ever allow the user to run ifconfig? or allow it to be run via sudo ifconfig?

Nothing stops you to do this, just /sbin is not in the default path,

so you need to run:

...

/sbin/ifconfig

I really do not understand why /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in the default user path, as they are in most of other distros though. Many of the programs there are useful, and most important, runable as user, including route. Also, it kind of complicates the use of sudo as the OP said.

-- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.

Seeing as the system is yours, you can add /sbin to your path on login or add it in the skel file that is used when creating all users, or some type of link / symlink ( aint linux wonderful ). As a default I would consider this as added system protection in the case of an actual system that is used by multiple users. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org