[opensuse] Microsoft claims software like Linux violates its patents - May 28, 2007
There was some recent discussion on this list about MS claims of patent infringement and someone claimed they hadn't done so recently.
From the "Suse, M$ and Dell" thread.
"Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted
Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.
Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.
You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no onus on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer.
As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever.
Well, you might want to read this article and consider the claims substantiated. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 15:25 -0400, James Knott wrote:
There was some recent discussion on this list about MS claims of patent infringement and someone claimed they hadn't done so recently.
From the "Suse, M$ and Dell" thread.
"Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted
Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.
Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.
You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no onus on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer.
As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever.
Well, you might want to read this article and consider the claims substantiated.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/
Unfortunately you would need a patent lawyer to go through all of M$' claims. If you've followed any M$ patent discussions over the past few years, you would see that they've been applying for any and everything, including that thing that we know as sudo. Oddly enough Bill Gates is on record as talking about how much WinNT was like Unix. So as far as Ballmer's claims go, take them with as much salt as you can heft. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
There was some recent discussion on this list about MS claims of patent infringement and someone claimed they hadn't done so recently.
From the "Suse, M$ and Dell" thread.
"Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted
This might be completely irrelevant, but am I in some sort of time warp here? But other than that, I thought this statement was telling: "At the same time, Smith was having Microsoft's lawyers figure out how many of its patents were being infringed by free and open-source software. Gutierrez refuses to identify specific patents or explain how they're being infringed, lest FOSS advocates start filing challenges to them." So you claim numbers, but you aren't showing your cards. Tell me why I should be scared again? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
Gutierrez refuses to identify specific patents or explain how they're being infringed, lest FOSS advocates start filing challenges to them."
Security by Obscurity takes a new twist..... -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun May 13 2007, John Andersen scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
Gutierrez refuses to identify specific patents or explain how they're being infringed, lest FOSS advocates start filing challenges to them."
Security by Obscurity takes a new twist..... I'm guessing they hope that SCO isn't going to lose it's fight w/ IBM... Forlorn it may be, but hope for some , including hope they can bury or buy linux out, does, they say, spring eternal.
-- j I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we ain't all there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 13 May 2007, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
On Sun May 13 2007, John Andersen scratched these words onto a coconut
shell, hoping for an answer:
On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
Gutierrez refuses to identify specific patents or explain how they're being infringed, lest FOSS advocates start filing challenges to them."
Security by Obscurity takes a new twist.....
I'm guessing they hope that SCO isn't going to lose it's fight w/ IBM... Forlorn it may be, but hope for some , including hope they can bury or buy linux out, does, they say, spring eternal.
But I can't believe anyone things SCO will prevail at this point. Their pretty much toast. MS is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. The last SCOTUS ruling on patents has to have them worried. One would think that might knock out 200 of their 240+ patents. After all, simply transferring SUDO to windows can hardly be said to be "non-obvious". -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 13 May 2007 19:01, John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
Gutierrez refuses to identify specific patents or explain how they're being infringed, lest FOSS advocates start filing challenges to them."
Security by Obscurity takes a new twist.....
they dont want anyone to start investigating a workaround before their impending court date lol.
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On Sunday 13 May 2007 21:25:13 James Knott wrote:
There was some recent discussion on this list about MS claims of patent infringement and someone claimed they hadn't done so recently.
Microsoft also claims "The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007." @ http://www.bangkokpost.com/090507_Database/09May2007_data05.php Don't take anything too serious until judged by the highest court, like http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2189700/court-ruling-patently-clear Quote from there: "A US patent grants exclusive rights to use for 20 years. The Supreme Court ruling effectively calls for more rigorous criteria for the granting of patents." Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- James Knott
There was some recent discussion on this list about MS claims of patent infringement and someone claimed they hadn't done so recently.
From the "Suse, M$ and Dell" thread.
"Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted
Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.
Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.
You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no
onus
on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer.
As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever.
Well, you might want to read this article and consider the claims substantiated.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ Thank you, James. This is exactly what was needed to substantiate Mr. Anderson's claim. As it is now substantiated, I hereby retract my statements concerning Mr. Anderson's honesty, integrity, or honor, (however one might interpret the statement above concerning my conclusions, and the use of the word "liar".) That this should appear only days after Mr.Anderson's original claim that Mr. Ballmer was "still" making these other unsubstantiated claims about Linux and free software, most assuredly verifies and substantiates his correct use of the word "still". My apologies to Mr. Anderson, for any distress this may have caused him. As his credibility is now fully restored, I would, again, be more than pleased to discuss, with him, this, or any other subjects, as they may arise, whenever it may seem appropriate. James, once more thank you for bringing this article to my attention, so that I might be allowed an opportunity to correct a situation in which I was in error. Ya done good kid, and I truly appreciate it. ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 May 2007 04:59, frank nelson wrote:
thank you for bringing this article to my attention, so that I might be allowed an opportunity to correct a situation in which I was in error. Ya done good kid, and I truly appreciate it. Very nice...
:) -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Monday 14 May 2007 04:59, frank nelson wrote:
thank you for bringing this article to my attention, so that I might be allowed an opportunity to correct a situation in which I was in error. Ya done good kid, and I truly appreciate it. Very nice...
:)
Only fair. It would be a bit hypocritical to demand a standard for others, that one does not demand of oneself. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday May 14 2007 10:08:29 pm frank nelson wrote:
Only fair. It would be a bit hypocritical to demand a standard for others, that one does not demand of oneself.
Ah that'd be Microsoft Marketing 101 just down the hall second door on the right. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Monday May 14 2007 10:08:29 pm frank nelson wrote:
Only fair. It would be a bit hypocritical to demand a standard for others, that one does not demand of oneself.
Ah that'd be Microsoft Marketing 101 just down the hall second door on the right.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1729908,00.asp Quote from article: "But Ravicher said Ballmer misinterpreted his study's findings. "He misconstrues the point of the OSRM study, which found that Linux potentially, not definitely, infringes 283 untested patents, while not infringing a single court-validated patent." "The point of the study was actually to eliminate the FUD about Linux's alleged legal problems by attaching a quantifiable measure versus the speculation," he said. "And the number we found, to anyone familiar with this issue, is so average as to be boring; almost any piece of software potentially infringes at least that many patents."" /J - -- There's nothing a concentrated phaser blast can't solve. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGSa+8Jvr6GUkh0/0RApuGAJoDqunJ5i9kdLxk00hAEYJv0KV4FgCg4nCk +1ulmNF/CvUbVcgUf2U+YfY= =KVV1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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