Changing Installation Source brings to filesystem crash
Hi all! I have installed SuSE 10 from DVD. Since I haven't got my own DVD Rom, I brought it from my friend and installed succesfully. Then when I want to install nearly everything rpm, it asks me for the SuSE 10 DVD. Since at that time my friend is already gone with his DVD Rom, I don't know what to do. I copied that DVD to my hard and changed Installation Source from YaST to my local directory (previously removing the source concerning the DVD Disk). When trying to install something "rpm" it gives something like "some error with some package", but when I enter the same DVD (which i copied to my hard and from hard version of which he doesn't want to install anything) it goes excellent. After restarting computer my SuSE don't want to load. And it behaves in different ways: one time it continuously restarts, another time it just gives me an Error 16 in GRUB (I have already installed SuSE today for four times). I guess that was the reason of the problem I described in another thread "Grub Suddenly Crashed", because it came to that after I copied that disk to my hard. Can anyone help? How to use a local copy of that DVD? Just not to get my friend's DVD Rom each time I want to install something. Regards, Sergey Mkrtchyan
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi all!
I have installed SuSE 10 from DVD. Since I haven't got my own DVD Rom, I brought it from my friend and installed succesfully. Then when I want to install nearly everything rpm, it asks me for the SuSE 10 DVD. Since at that time my friend is already gone with his DVD Rom, I don't know what to do. I copied that DVD to my hard and changed Installation Source from YaST to my local directory (previously removing the source concerning the DVD Disk). When trying to install something "rpm" it gives something like "some error with some package", but when I enter the same DVD (which i copied to my hard and from hard version of which he doesn't want to install anything) it goes excellent. After restarting computer my SuSE don't want to load. And it behaves in different ways: one time it continuously restarts, another time it just gives me an Error 16 in GRUB (I have already installed SuSE today for four times). I guess that was the reason of the problem I described in another thread "Grub Suddenly Crashed", because it came to that after I copied that disk to my hard.
Can anyone help? How to use a local copy of that DVD? Just not to get my friend's DVD Rom each time I want to install something.
If you had properly set up the local copy and removed the DVD entry, that shouldn't be happening. While I have a DVD drive on this computer, I copied the DVD contents to the hard drive and configured Yast to look there. I haven't had that problem you're referring to.
James Knott wrote:
If you had properly set up the local copy and removed the DVD entry, that shouldn't be happening. While I have a DVD drive on this computer, I copied the DVD contents to the hard drive and configured Yast to look there. I haven't had that problem you're referring to. I just copied all DVD "as is" to the folder in "/root/SuSE Install" which I created. Then from YaST I added the Local Directory and browsed to the folder "SuSE Install". First time I removed SuSE DVD installation source from that list - it crashed, next time(after installing it again) I just added Local Directory and did'nt touch DVD Installation source - the result was the same. It happened already 4 times, now I even afraid to copy that disk. Maybe the problem is in space which I put in the folder "SuSE Install" name, but I doubt it.
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
James Knott wrote:
If you had properly set up the local copy and removed the DVD entry, that shouldn't be happening. While I have a DVD drive on this computer, I copied the DVD contents to the hard drive and configured Yast to look there. I haven't had that problem you're referring to. I just copied all DVD "as is" to the folder in "/root/SuSE Install" which I created. Then from YaST I added the Local Directory and browsed to the folder "SuSE Install". First time I removed SuSE DVD installation source from that list - it crashed, next time(after installing it again) I just added Local Directory and did'nt touch DVD Installation source - the result was the same. It happened already 4 times, now I even afraid to copy that disk. Maybe the problem is in space which I put in the folder "SuSE Install" name, but I doubt it.
If you can't install from it, you must have something configured wrong. On my system, I copied the DVD to /home/SUSE/SUSE_10.0 and Yast shows the installation source as dir:///home/SUSE/SUSE_10.0/ . You can also point to one of the ftp sites.
-----Original Message----- From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott@rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 16:13 To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Changing Installation Source brings to filesystem crash
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
James Knott wrote:
If you had properly set up the local copy and removed the DVD entry, that shouldn't be happening. While I have a DVD drive on this computer, I copied the DVD contents to the hard drive and configured Yast to look there. I haven't had that problem you're referring to. I just copied all DVD "as is" to the folder in "/root/SuSE Install" which I created. Then from YaST I added the Local Directory and browsed to the folder "SuSE Install". First time I removed SuSE DVD installation source from that list - it crashed, next time(after installing it again) I just added Local Directory and did'nt touch DVD Installation source - the result was the same. It happened already 4 times, now I even afraid to copy that disk. Maybe the problem is in space which I put in the folder "SuSE Install" name, but I doubt it.
If you can't install from it, you must have something configured wrong. On my system, I copied the DVD to /home/SUSE/SUSE_10.0 and Yast shows the installation source as dir:///home/SUSE/SUSE_10.0/ . You can also point to one of the ftp sites.
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Sergey, Did you accidentally copy the distribution to your root? If so, could have overwritten much you didn't want it to. Also, was the copy successful, or did you fill a partition without noticing it. You said you copied the distribution, turned the computer off, and next AM it wouldn't boot. Did you do a proper shutdown? Have you checked the filesystem? 'fsck' for some other systems, must be similar on SuSE 10 -- if your rescue media will load. Lonn
-----Original Message----- From: Lonn [mailto:lonn@lonnd.com] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 16:43 To: suse-linux-e Cc: James Knott Subject: RE: [SLE] Changing Installation Source brings to file system crash
-----Original Message----- From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott@rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 16:13 To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Changing Installation Source brings to filesystem crash
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
James Knott wrote:
If you had properly set up the local copy and removed the DVD entry, that shouldn't be happening. While I have a DVD drive on this computer, I copied the DVD contents to the hard drive and configured Yast to look there. I haven't had that problem you're referring to. I just copied all DVD "as is" to the folder in "/root/SuSE Install" which I created. Then from YaST I added the Local Directory and browsed to the folder "SuSE Install". First time I removed SuSE DVD installation source from that list - it crashed, next time(after installing it again) I just added Local Directory and did'nt touch DVD Installation source - the result was the same. It happened already 4 times, now I even afraid to copy that disk. Maybe the problem is in space which I put in the folder "SuSE Install" name, but I doubt it.
If you can't install from it, you must have something configured wrong. On my system, I copied the DVD to /home/SUSE/SUSE_10.0 and Yast shows the installation source as dir:///home/SUSE/SUSE_10.0/ . You can also point to one of the ftp sites.
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Sergey,
Did you accidentally copy the distribution to your root? If so, could have overwritten much you didn't want it to. Also, was the copy successful, or did you fill a partition without noticing it. You said you copied the distribution, turned the computer off, and next AM it wouldn't boot.
Did you do a proper shutdown? Have you checked the filesystem? 'fsck' for some other systems, must be similar on SuSE 10 -- if your rescue media will load.
Lonn
Sergey, You reported your first error message was a "16" when your computer failed to boot. That means your GRUB is corrupt or your files system is corrupt. Can you reconstruct your GRUB? Lonn
Lonn wrote:
You reported your first error message was a "16" when your computer failed to boot.
That means your GRUB is corrupt or your files system is corrupt. Can you reconstruct your GRUB?
It gets real annoying when I receive two copies of a message, particulary when you're not replying to me. Please remember that I can read your posts on the list and don't need a second copy. Please learn to send the replies to the list only.
James Knott wrote:
It gets real annoying when I receive two copies of a message, particulary when you're not replying to me. Please remember that I can read your posts on the list and don't need a second copy.
Please learn to send the replies to the list only.
Ok, I got it. It's the first mailing list I ever use, so bring my excuses for any inconvenience :) Sergey.
Sergey Mkrtchyan was having problems with ... oh, all kinds of things, starting with inability to set installation source, then graduating to failure to boot. On Sunday 04 December 2005 17:05, Lonn wrote: [...]
Sergey,
Did you accidentally copy the distribution to your root? If so, could have overwritten much you didn't want it to. Also, was the copy successful, or did you fill a partition without noticing it. You said you copied the distribution, turned the computer off, and next AM it wouldn't boot.
Did you do a proper shutdown? Have you checked the filesystem? 'fsck' for some other systems, must be similar on SuSE 10 -- if your rescue media will load.
Lonn
Sergey,
You reported your first error message was a "16" when your computer failed to boot.
That means your GRUB is corrupt or your files system is corrupt. Can you reconstruct your GRUB?
I have repeatedly had a problem getting even the DVD itself to be accepted as the Install Source. I installed originally from the commercial DVD, and I had not done anything to change the Installation Source, so that whenever I updated/installed something (say, from Packman), and the system needed to get something from the install media, it would look for the DVD. When the prompt appeared, I would either already have the DVD inserted, or I would insert it and say "Try again". It would fail. A number of people and articles (found with Google, along with responses on this list) suggested various settings that I should attempt in YaST, as well as direct editing of /etc/fstab and other files. None of it worked (very likely because of my mulish failure to understand simple directions....), until I stumbled upon an old message exchange in which somebody advocated running the Repair function. I did so, and then ran an installation from Packman of several dozen packages. The system got to the point where it wanted to see the DVD... and this time it *found* the DVD and completed the installation. However, the next time I went to Packman for whatever-was-new, the problem resurfaced. I again performed a Repair. As with the previous time, the system noted a boot-loader problem, but since the system was booting properly, I took the suggestion and skipped a bootloader repair.... again. Same as before, when I restarted, the software install/update was again able to find the DVD when it needed it. But some days later it was failing again. This last time, I performed a Repair again, and accepted to repair the bootloader. There was no obvious problem, and I continued. However, the summary reported that there was still a bootloader problem. Therefore, I entered that section of Repair one more time and explicitly visited each page and option of the dialog (didn't change anything, just poked at some pick-lists, set to a new setting, then immediately back to the setting that had been there before) and then saved. Finally, the Repair summary went all the way through with no complaint. I have once more gone to Packman, picked out some juicy packages that I didn't already have installed, and had the system look for and actually FIND my DVD. With luck, this time the fix will stick. So, with all that said, Sergey might want to get that DVD from his friend *one* more time, boot from DVD, proceed through the Install process until he gets the option to perform a system Repair, and run the repair. Keep poking at it until the repair summary comes back clean (no further errors reported), save and exit. That might solve the problem. There's also the possibility of a defective hard disk. Several people at our office, with recent DELL desktop PCs have had hard disk failures, and mine is starting to make funny noises... :-) Kevin
elefino wrote:
I have repeatedly had a problem getting even the DVD itself to be accepted as the Install Source. I installed originally from the commercial DVD, and I had not done anything to change the Installation Source, so that whenever I updated/installed something (say, from Packman), and the system needed to get something from the install media, it would look for the DVD. When the prompt appeared, I would either already have the DVD inserted, or I would insert it and say "Try again". It would fail. A number of people and articles (found with Google, along with responses on this list) suggested various settings that I should attempt in YaST, as well as direct editing of /etc/fstab and other files.
None of it worked (very likely because of my mulish failure to understand simple directions....), until I stumbled upon an old message exchange in which somebody advocated running the Repair function.
I did so, and then ran an installation from Packman of several dozen packages. The system got to the point where it wanted to see the DVD... and this time it *found* the DVD and completed the installation.
However, the next time I went to Packman for whatever-was-new, the problem resurfaced. I again performed a Repair. As with the previous time, the system noted a boot-loader problem, but since the system was booting properly, I took the suggestion and skipped a bootloader repair.... again.
Same as before, when I restarted, the software install/update was again able to find the DVD when it needed it. But some days later it was failing again.
This last time, I performed a Repair again, and accepted to repair the bootloader. There was no obvious problem, and I continued. However, the summary reported that there was still a bootloader problem. Therefore, I entered that section of Repair one more time and explicitly visited each page and option of the dialog (didn't change anything, just poked at some pick-lists, set to a new setting, then immediately back to the setting that had been there before) and then saved.
Finally, the Repair summary went all the way through with no complaint. I have once more gone to Packman, picked out some juicy packages that I didn't already have installed, and had the system look for and actually FIND my DVD. With luck, this time the fix will stick.
So, with all that said, Sergey might want to get that DVD from his friend *one* more time, boot from DVD, proceed through the Install process until he gets the option to perform a system Repair, and run the repair. Keep poking at it until the repair summary comes back clean (no further errors reported), save and exit. That might solve the problem.
There's also the possibility of a defective hard disk. Several people at our office, with recent DELL desktop PCs have had hard disk failures, and mine is starting to make funny noises... :-)
Kevin
Kevin, I did that System repair(after the first failure) from the *my friend's DVD* and unfortunately it gave me an Error when trying to repair hda6.
Lonn wrote:
Sergey,
You reported your first error message was a "16" when your computer failed to boot.
That means your GRUB is corrupt or your files system is corrupt. Can you reconstruct your GRUB?
Lonn Yes, that happened even one more time yesterday..the same Error 16, and it don't let me to mount my hda6 partition.
I couldn't manage to reconstruct GRUB in any way and had to reinstall my SuSE.
Sergey, You told us you have two months of work on a report that is at risk on that failed system. That is significant and I would hate to see it lost. I guess you probably couldn't concentrate at 3:30 AM so you had to turn in. Maybe your head is in better condition now. As I've said before -- I don't have SuSE and my thinking is based on 'other' -ix and -ux so you must try to correlate my thoughts with the reality of your SuSE installation. Please attend to this suggestion if you can: Tell us about your disk! What is the size of it? What did you use to create the partitions? What are the partitions, name, size, file system, what was on them before the crash. Which WINDOWS OS, or other OS, are you using and which files system for WINDOWS? NTFS or FAT32? Why can't you fix your GRUB? Can you show us the configuration of GRUB. If you continue copying and playing with 'install' without understanding what you are doing you can kiss your research good-bye. Unfortunately, you may already have done that. Is/Was your research in a partition by itself? IMHO your best bet is to make room for an install, and do that without getting into the crashed file system. Depending upon your disk size, and with the proper tools, you may shrink the WINDOWS partition to make room or maybe you didn't declare your partitions to use all of the disk. I think you need about 5 GB for an install, and less for a minimum install. Without information about what you had before the crash, I am unable to see any alternatives. Lonn
Lonn wrote:
Sergey,
You told us you have two months of work on a report that is at risk on that failed system. That is significant and I would hate to see it lost.
I guess you probably couldn't concentrate at 3:30 AM so you had to turn in. Maybe your head is in better condition now. As I've said before -- I don't have SuSE and my thinking is based on 'other' -ix and -ux so you must try to correlate my thoughts with the reality of your SuSE installation.
Please attend to this suggestion if you can:
Tell us about your disk! What is the size of it? What did you use to create the partitions? What are the partitions, name, size, file system, what was on them before the crash.
Which WINDOWS OS, or other OS, are you using and which files system for WINDOWS? NTFS or FAT32?
Why can't you fix your GRUB? Can you show us the configuration of GRUB.
If you continue copying and playing with 'install' without understanding what you are doing you can kiss your research good-bye. Unfortunately, you may already have done that. Is/Was your research in a partition by itself?
IMHO your best bet is to make room for an install, and do that without getting into the crashed file system. Depending upon your disk size, and with the proper tools, you may shrink the WINDOWS partition to make room or maybe you didn't declare your partitions to use all of the disk. I think you need about 5 GB for an install, and less for a minimum install.
Without information about what you had before the crash, I am unable to see any alternatives.
Lonn Lonn, Fortunately my friend(who also a person who does that article with me) didn't delete all that material from his PC as he intended to do. I was really happy to hear from him that. That is really valuable material which was the result of our really hard work during the past two months. So the urgent task of rescuing my material passed. But the problem with changing installation source still in. Whenever I change my Installation Source, SuSE fails to start.
Here what I found from 'cfdisk': Name: Flags: Part Type: FS Type: [Label] Size (MB): hda1 Boot Primary W95 FAT32 (LBA) 9434.40 hda5 Logical W95 FAT32 19518.59 hda6 Logical Linux ReiserFS 10018.40 hda7 Logical Linux swap / Solaris 1044.62 I made this partitions with Partition Magic from windows XP. Two of my windows disks is on FAT32, and my Linux is on Ext2(as shows from PM) and I also have Linux Swap. I looked in a Partition Magic and it shows that all my Linux Ex2 partition is full(for my windows C: and D: partitions it shows the correct Unused space, but for Linux there is a mark "Unused: 0 Mb"), but when I look for it in Linux it shows that 6.7 Gb is free. Is the problem in it? Maybe I should try to Copy SuSE Distrib to an another partition? Now the situation is: Now my SuSE works fine (also as GRUB does) after reinstalling it yesterday four times, but now I am afraid to copy that DVD to my Hard disk and change the Installation source. Thanks for all, now am feeling embarrassed with so much inconvenience I brought. SM
Lonn wrote
Sergey,
Did you accidentally copy the distribution to your root? If so, could have overwritten much you didn't want it to. Also, was the copy successful, or did you fill a partition without noticing it. You said you copied the distribution, turned the computer off, and next AM it wouldn't boot.
Lonn, I created folder "SuSE Distrib" in the folder "root" which is on the same level as "etc". I copied it not using a shell, just from GUI (famous Drag'n'Drop). Copy was successfully, but one think I am thinking about that my SuSE(hda6 which failed to mount) is only 10 Gb and I have 1Gb for swap space. More obviously my hda6 did not fully fill with that DVD, but I think very little space left there. Besides next time I installed SuSE, I copied only that DVD and it failed again, so there were a lot of space, but maybe even it was not enough for him. Really I have no ideas. And what I also wondering on...why he didn't want to install anything from that directory (before the unfortunate restarting)?...it's the same DVD. I am thinking of copying that DVD to my another partitions (for Windows hda1 or hda5), but I don't know will it be acceptable for him and won't that problem come again.
Did you do a proper shutdown? Have you checked the filesystem? 'fsck' for some other systems, must be similar on SuSE 10 -- if your rescue media will load. Yes, I have done a proper shutdown but didn't check the filesystem. I am afraid of doing it again but it seems like I'll have try one more time.
Best, Sergey Mkrtchyan
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
James Knott wrote:
If you had properly set up the local copy and removed the DVD entry, that shouldn't be happening. While I have a DVD drive on this computer, I copied the DVD contents to the hard drive and configured Yast to look there. I haven't had that problem you're referring to. I just copied all DVD "as is" to the folder in "/root/SuSE Install" which I created. Then from YaST I added the Local Directory and browsed to the folder "SuSE Install". First time I removed SuSE DVD installation source from that list - it crashed, next time(after installing it again) I just added Local Directory and did'nt touch DVD Installation source - the result was the same. It happened already 4 times, now I even afraid to copy that disk. Maybe the problem is in space which I put in the folder "SuSE Install" name, but I doubt it.
Spaces can sometimes cause problems and should be avoided.
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