On Wednesday 02 June 2010 14:26:21 #### wrote:

Julien Michielsen said the following on 06/02/2010 08:14 AM:

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Yesterday I installed 11.2 on my machine, and I don't succeed to login to my useraccount under X. It prompts for the user, and when I enter the name, and subsequently the password, the system goes away for 1 or two seconds after hitting enter, and then comes back with the login screen. When I enter the name again, and thereafter password, the same happens again. No error- message, just comes back like if nothing happened. No error with the password: if I enter a different password, it gives a "wrong password"-message. On a console (under eg. alt-ctl-F2)I can login without a problem. But not under KDE. Can't find a message in /var/log/messages, the only log I can imagine as a place for error-messages. Or does a different log give better indications? Anyone a hint?

The last time this happened to me I had made a bugeroo with PAM. The time before that I had made a mess hand editing the config file for KDM. Before that I had done something stupid with the xorg.conf, but that probably doesn't apply these days.

Thank you for your reply. This also happened to me before. But then I used my old home-partition, the one I used under KDE3. But this ia a new installation, with a new user. (User juk4, instead of user julien). And this error showed uop again. And why doesn't it show any type of error- message .... -- Julien Michielsen julien_at_michkloo.xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 02 June 2010 15:11:22 Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 2. Juni 2010, 14:14:51 schrieb Julien Michielsen:

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Yesterday I installed 11.2 on my machine, and I don't succeed to login to my useraccount under X. It prompts for the user, and when I enter the name, and subsequently the password, the system goes away for 1 or two seconds after hitting enter, and then comes back with the login screen.

This could be caused by no space left on your harddisk.

Sven

 Thanks for your reply. However,  df /mnt/b5/juk4 /mnt/a12 /mnt/a13  Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on  ~/home user juk4  /dev/sdb5             11859484    555384  10701668   5% /mnt/b5  root mounted on sda12  /dev/sda12            20641788    540552  19052596   3% /mnt/a12  /usr mounted on sda13  /dev/sda13            10981932   4438976   5985104  43% /mnt/a13    Plenty of space, I'd say  Julien -- Julien Michielsen julien_at_michkloo.xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Sven Burmeister said the following on 06/02/2010 09:11 AM:

Am Mittwoch, 2. Juni 2010, 14:14:51 schrieb Julien Michielsen:

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Yesterday I installed 11.2 on my machine, and I don't succeed to login to my useraccount under X. It prompts for the user, and when I enter the name, and subsequently the password, the system goes away for 1 or two seconds after hitting enter, and then comes back with the login screen.

This could be caused by no space left on your harddisk.

Or by a key file related to {GKX}DM or X or more likely your desktop manager not existing or being inaccessible. There is so much in that category its hard to speculate with the limited information you've given. It certainly sounds like the login part of the login is happening and its what comes next that is the problem. There are two things you can try, and report back what you find. Its not exactly wolf fencing but ... One is log in at the command line and run xinit. This gets around the issue of the {GKX}DM starting X and starts X directly. Either it works or it doesn't. If it doesn't you get some information. If it does you know X works and the problem lies in how {GKX}DM starts X. That leads to the second. In /etc/inittab there's the entry for runlevel 5 id:5:initdefault: and that leads to l5:5:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 5 and /etc/init.d/rc5.d/S11xdm that starts X and the appropriate display manager. You can step by hand through that last file (S11xdm) and make sure all the files and variables exist and what they contain makes sense. Its tedious but it isn't difficult. It will help you understand what is going on and it will let you better describe your problem to us and give the context by which we can help you. You may even find out the answer to your problem yourself. This is how I tracked down a problem I had with KDM when I switched from Gnome to KDE many years ago. -- There is no legitimate religion apart from truth. --John Calvin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Julien Michielsen said the following on 06/03/2010 04:38 AM:

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This gets around the issue of the {GKX}DM starting X and starts X directly. Either it works or it doesn't. If it doesn't you get some information. If it does you know X works and the problem lies in how {GKX}DM starts X.

Thanks for your hints. Even though I cannot login to myselve as "normal user", that does not mean X is not running. I only cannot login as user "juk4" (=jullien KDE4). When I try to do so, the system is away for 1 or two seconds, and comes back with the login screen. When I fo to a console, I cannot run xinit because X still is running.

Well, there you are, something important you've not told us before. Of course you can't run xinit with X running.... Of course you can't log in to KDE (etc) with X already running.... That fully explains the problem you've described so far. (Don't we wish you'd told us this at the beginning!) The issue is now WHY IS X ALREADY RUNNING?

Also removel of /tmp/.X0-lock does not help, as this does not kill X. A new suggestion?

I cannot see why removal of a flag that indicates X is running will stop it running. Have you tried killing the process with 'kill'? You will, of course, need to be root since X runs as root. -- Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges! -- from the film "Treasure of Sierra Madre" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:27:56 +0300, Rares Aioanei wrote:

On 06/02/2010 03:14 PM, Julien Michielsen wrote:

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Yesterday I installed 11.2 on my machine, and I don't succeed to login to my useraccount under X. It prompts for the user, and when I enter the name, and subsequently the password, the system goes away for 1 or two seconds after hitting enter, and then comes back with the login screen. When I enter the name again, and thereafter password, the same happens again. No error- message, just comes back like if nothing happened. No error with the password: if I enter a different password, it gives a "wrong password"-message. On a console (under eg. alt-ctl-F2)I can login without a problem. But not under KDE. Can't find a message in /var/log/messages, the only log I can imagine as a place for error-messages. Or does a different log give better indications? Anyone a hint? Thx

I'd say check your permissions. Sorry, don't understand your reply. What permissions could mess it up? To the ~/-partition I can read and write when I log in from a console. What difference could logging in under X make? To the / and /usr partition I have read-permission. And - like two lines earlier - when logging in from a console there's no problem. -- -W- Julien Michielsen julien@michkloo.xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday, June 03, 2010 03:16:31 pm Lubos Lunak wrote:

On Wednesday 02 of June 2010, Julien Michielsen wrote:

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Yesterday I installed 11.2 on my machine, and I don't succeed to login to my useraccount under X. It prompts for the user, and when I enter the name, and subsequently the password, the system goes away for 1 or two seconds after hitting enter, and then comes back with the login screen. When I enter the name again, and thereafter password, the same happens again. No error- message, just comes back like if nothing happened. No error with the password: if I enter a different password, it gives a "wrong password"-message. On a console (under eg. alt-ctl-F2)I can login without a problem. But not under KDE. Can't find a message in /var/log/messages, the only log I can imagine as a place for error-messages. Or does a different log give better indications?

to me the same thing happened when, after some upgrades, desktop effects weren't working anymore. the user account that had effects enabled would react just like that, i.e., revert to the KDE login after a couple seconds. at that time i fixed it by manually editing kwinrc in ~/.kde4/share/config, setting "enabled" to false under the [Compositing] heading. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Julien Michielsen said the following on 06/03/2010 11:19 AM:

it's properties: ls /mnt/b5/juk4/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc -l -rw------- 1 julien users 226 May 31 10:28

This way it looked when I watched id after logging in as julien under kde3.5. But when logging in to my kde4 user juk4 on suse 11.2, and subsequently logging in under a console, the properties were identical. So appearantly the options in the file don't change (no new options are presented) under 11.2

Could this be seen as a 11.2-error?

I doubt it very much. Lets see: I presume that /mnt/b5/juk4 is the home directory rather than /home/juk4 and that this is what is found in /etc/passwrd for that account. If not you may have other problems Could you run the following two commands please (as root): id juk4 and id julien Thank you. -- Unix *is* user friendly! You just aren't necessarily on the A-list... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Julien Michielsen said the following on 06/04/2010 06:44 AM:

Indeed, on the 11.2-machine /home/juk4 is the home-directory of user juk4.

I asked a very specific question and you didn't answer. I wanted to verify that it was the home directory ACCORDING TO THE /etc/passwd FILE

He is the only user on the machine (together with root of course) Root, however, has no problem logging in, and as user root I can do everything on the machine, But I don't trust myself as root, and want to log in as normal user. When logging in under non-X console #id juk4 uid=1000(juk4) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),33(video) on this kde3.5 machine: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What does this mean? Are they not both on the same machine, the same /etc/passwd file?

uid=1000(julien) gid=100(users) groups=16(dialout),33(video),100(users)

hope this will be of help to you.

Not. You say FIRST /home/juk4 is the home directory but on a previous post you said ls /mnt/b5/juk4/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc -l -rw------- 1 julien users 226 May 31 10:28 so that's not under /home/juk4 SECOND He is the only user on the machine but you give the ID result for two users. If these are on different machines then the information you give is of no use. We are trying to establish why you can't log in on one machine. I'm trying to build a coherent image of your configuration and that's not what I'm getting. -- The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of meeting schedules is forgotten. --Kathleen Byle, Sandia National Laboratories -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Julien Michielsen said the following on 06/04/2010 08:18 AM:

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If these are on different machines then the information you give is of no use. We are trying to establish why you can't log in on one machine.

I'm trying to build a coherent image of your configuration and that's not what I'm getting.

I've got two suse's on the same machine: the 11.1 which works without problems, and on which - as user Julien - I can read the partitions where user juk4 is installed (the 11.2 machine). But user juk4 only can work as a nor-X user. Sorry for the confusion.

So, you've been giving information, some from one machine (I'm viewing the 11.1 and the 11.2 as if they were different machines since they aren't both 'there' at the same time.) You want us to consider why the 11.2 isn't working but have given us information from the 11.1 side ... You are going to have to make it absolutely clear.

From now on I'd prefer it if we just accepted that the 11.1 works and you don't give us ANY information from that side. Lets diagnose the 11.2 by itself.

Please verify on the 11.2 machine * You have KDE4 and its libraries installed and up to date (4.3 or 4.4) If not, please check the archives (etc) for which repositories to configure and do an update. * You DO NOT have KDE3 installed We're trying to solve a KDE4 problem. Having KDE3 around is, with this kind of communications, a distraction. If you need it we can install it later. * You are using the KDM login On the KDM login can you list the desktop manager options available with the pull-down, please. You listed the contents of .kde4/share/config/kwinrc (and seemed to imply that was an alternative mount, which led to confusion). As it seems to be a KDE3 config, I suggest you remove that specific .kde4 branch (or save it somewhere). Then try logging in again with KDE4. While I appreciate you are doing this 'dual boot' thing, when you have problems, the trick is to reduce the number of variables. You have doubts about 11.2 and KDE4 (despite many of us, myself included, not having your problems). But then many of us are simply running 11.2 and KDE4 and not your dual boot. In your situation I would have stopped and set up 11.2 on a single (?sacrificial?) machine and determined what worked there. The confusion you've created in my mind may in fact reflect your arrangement. Problem solving like this has to be careful and pedantic and precise. Everything has to be clear and specific. As we try to help you, we don't know what assumptions you've made; only what you tell us. I suspect - SUSPECT - that part of your problem with 'juk4' is that you simply copied across your 'julien' configuration'. Have you tried creating a new non-root account on the 11.2 machine? New ~/.kde4 branch and so forth? -- A sense of humor is part of the art of leadership, of getting along with people, of getting things done. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. said the following on 06/04/2010 08:04 PM:

Maybe simple # chown -cR juk4 /home/juk4/* is all that is needed to establish correct ownership.

And maybe it wont, because /home/juk4/* will expand to the non-hidden files and directories so /home/juk4/.kde4 won't be included. I think you meant simply /home/juk4 because you are using the "-R" for recursive option that would be sufficient. -- The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. -- Hubert H. Humphrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org