Am 11. April 2020 02:03:29 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE :

Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 01:47:04 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:

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I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on several systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a couple days ago. System: Tumbleweed.

Tried to reinstall it, and get this:

linux-4qnb:~ # apt-get install artha Repository 'home:awissu:NonFree' is invalid. [http-download.opensuse.org-0f4226f0|http://download.opensuse.org/repositori es/home:/awissu:/NonFree/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/] Repository type can't be determined. Please check if the URIs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository. Warning: Skipping repository 'home:awissu:NonFree' because of the above error. Retrieving repository 'openSUSE:Factory' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .........................[done] Building repository 'openSUSE:Factory' cache ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ..............................[done] Retrieving repository 'hamradio' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .................................[done] Building repository 'hamradio' cache ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ......................................[done] Retrieving repository 'KDE:Extra' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ................................[done] Building repository 'KDE:Extra' cache ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .....................................[done] Retrieving repository 'openSUSE:Tumbleweed' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ......................[done] Building repository 'openSUSE:Tumbleweed' cache ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ...........................[done] Retrieving repository 'Packman Repository' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .......................[done] Building repository 'Packman Repository' cache ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ............................[done] Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Debug' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ................[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Debug' cache ............................................................................

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.....................[done] Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss' metadata ............................................................................ ............................................................................ ..................[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Oss' cache ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .......................[done] Some of the repositories have not been refreshed because of an error. Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... 'artha' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. No provider of 'artha' found. Resolving package dependencies...

Nothing to do. linux-4qnb:~ #

So someone in charge--Please put it back! Or will it install from the general rpm files program?

--doug There is no such person in charge. If the maintainer removes the package, the reasons can be various. Software's dead, unmaintainable, upstream pulled the

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Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 12:55:32 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:

On 11/04/2020 06.12, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 01:47:04 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:

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I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on several systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a couple days ago. System: Tumbleweed.

--doug

Doug, instead of a blunt sarcastic reply:

a nice way to look for artha: - sudo zypper in opi - opi artha

opi searches all the repos like software.o.o does, but only for the running distro.

Now this is new.

Telcontar:~ # opi artha Searching... 1. artha Choose a number(0 to quit): 1 You have selected package name: artha 1. openSUSE:Leap:15.1 + | 1.0.3

| x86_64

2. Education ? | 1.0.3

| x86_64

Choose a number(0 to quit): 0

What would it do if I choose 1 or 2?

Telcontar:~ # man opi No manual entry for opi Telcontar:~ # Telcontar:~ # opi --help Searching..... 1. devhelp 2. help2man 3. dd_rhelp 4. debhelper 5. javahelp2 6. khelpcenter5 7. kmozillahelper

Telcontar:~ # zypper info opi Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

Information for package opi: ---------------------------- Repository : OBS: Utilities Name : opi Version : 0.8.1-lp151.28.1 Arch : noarch Vendor : obs://build.opensuse.org/utilities Installed Size : 164.1 KiB Installed : Yes Status : up-to-date Source package : opi-0.8.1-lp151.28.1.src Summary : OBS Package Installer (CLI) Description : OBS Package Installer (CLI)

Telcontar:~ #

So what is opi, can you describe it? What does it do? Is it better/different than webpin?

opi is a perl script, actually quite readable. I've only used webpin years ago, yet these days I hardly use software.o.o anymore since opi does exactly what I wanted: show me if someone builds package X for the running system. It even provides installing skype, vscode, the packman codecs. And, it asks you, after installing X, if you want to keep the repo X comes from active. https://github.com/openSUSE-zh/opi -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/04/2020 13.31, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 12:55:32 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:

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On 11/04/2020 06.12, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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So what is opi, can you describe it? What does it do? Is it better/different than webpin?

opi is a perl script, actually quite readable.

I prefer reading documentation ;-) I tried reading the source, it doesn't tell me much. Well, that it calls obs, so probably installing the obs package is necessary. Perhaps an account, too.

I've only used webpin years ago, yet these days I hardly use software.o.o anymore since opi does exactly what I wanted: show me if someone builds package X for the running system. It even provides installing skype, vscode, the packman codecs. And, it asks you, after installing X, if you want to keep the repo X comes from active. https://github.com/openSUSE-zh/opi

I found a readme. Telcontar:~ # rpm -ql opi /usr/bin/opi /usr/share/doc/packages/opi /usr/share/doc/packages/opi/README.md <====== /usr/share/doc/packages/opi/screenshot.png /usr/share/licenses/opi /usr/share/licenses/opi/LICENSE Telcontar:~ # Telcontar:~ # cat /usr/share/doc/packages/opi/README.md # OPI **O**BS **P**ackage **I**nstaller Search and install almost all packages available for openSUSE and SLE: 1. openSUSE Build Service 2. Packman ## System Requirements - openSUSE Tumbleweed, openSUSE Leap 42.1+, SLE 12+ - perl - perl-libwww-perl - perl-XML-LibXML - perl-URI - perl-Config-Tiny ## Install ### openSUSE Tumbleweed ``` sudo zypper install opi ``` ## Leap and SLE ``` # Leap 15.0 sudo zypper addrepo --refresh https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:guoyunhe/openSUSE_Leap_15.0/... # Leap 15.1 sudo zypper addrepo --refresh https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:guoyunhe/openSUSE_Leap_15.1/... # Leap 42.3 sudo zypper addrepo --refresh https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:guoyunhe/openSUSE_Leap_42.3/... # SLE 15 sudo zypper addrepo --refresh https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:guoyunhe/SLE_15/home:guoyunh... sudo zypper refresh sudo zypper install opi ``` ## Use Command: ``` opi filezilla ``` Output:  ### Packages from Other Repositories **Packman Codecs** (enable you to play MP4 videos and YouTube) ``` opi packman # or opi codecs ``` **Skype** ``` opi skype ``` **Visual Studio Code** ``` opi vs code ``` Telcontar:~ # -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 13:30:54 CEST schreef Mathias Homann:

I'm always open for new stuff, so...

mathias@kumiko:~> sudo zypper in opi Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... 'opi' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. No provider of 'opi' found. Resolving package dependencies...

Nothing to do.

that's leap 15.1 there.

Cheers

MH

Am 11.04.2020 um 06:12 schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:

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Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 01:47:04 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:

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I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on several systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a couple days ago. System: Tumbleweed.

--doug

Doug, instead of a blunt sarcastic reply:

a nice way to look for artha: - sudo zypper in opi - opi artha

opi searches all the repos like software.o.o does, but only for the running distro. It's in TW in the disro, in the utilities repo in Leap 15.1

-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 4/11/20 12:12 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 01:47:04 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:

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I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on several systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a couple days ago. System: Tumbleweed.

--doug Doug, instead of a blunt sarcastic reply:

a nice way to look for artha: - sudo zypper in opi - opi artha

opi searches all the repos like software.o.o does, but only for the running distro.

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On 11/04/2020 22.30, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 4/11/20 6:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/04/2020 01.47, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on several systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a couple days ago. System: Tumbleweed.

Artha is apparently available from the education repo.

https://software.opensuse.org/package/artha?search_term=artha

That's where the earlier trick found it. Information, please: How do you find this repo easily? Or have I missed it.

Well, I simply go to https://software.opensuse.org/ and type there the package i want to find. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Op zondag 12 april 2020 03:05:44 CEST schreef David C. Rankin:

On 04/11/2020 03:46 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

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That's where the earlier trick found it. Information, please: How do you find this repo easily? Or have I missed it.

Well, I simply go to https://software.opensuse.org/ and type there the package i want to find.

In the past, you could just type

webpin artha

in the command line and it would search ALL buildservice repos and tell you where to find it.

What ever happened to getting this going again. I notice there was a package for it for 15.0:

$ rqi webpin Name : webpin Version : 1.2.4 Release : lp150.4.7 Architecture: noarch Install Date: Sun 03 Nov 2019 06:11:11 AM CST Group : System/Packages Size : 73214 License : GPL-2.0 Signature : DSA/SHA1, Mon 12 Feb 2018 10:11:57 AM CST, Key ID 85753aa5eefefde9 Source RPM : webpin-1.2.4-lp150.4.7.src.rpm Build Date : Mon 27 Jun 2016 07:00:00 AM CDT Build Host : lamb60 Relocations : (not relocatable) Vendor : obs://build.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tools URL : https://github.com/pbleser/webpin Summary : Command-Line Client for the openSUSE Package Search Web Service Description : Command-line client for the openSUSE Package Search web service commonly known as "webpin": http://webpinstant.com/

The Package Search service is written and maintained by Benjamin Weber. Distribution: openSUSE:Tools / openSUSE_15.0

But for whatever reason it never seemed to work:

$ webpin artha FAILED: received error from server: 404 Not Found Seeing the same with the package from the openSUSE:/Tools:/ repo for TW. But, I also see it pulls in a python2 package. Which means webpin is not been moved to python3 I guess. Haven't heard about anybody using it on recent openSUSE versions. My bets are on 'opi'. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team

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Op zondag 12 april 2020 04:34:58 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:

On 12/04/2020 03.33, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Op zondag 12 april 2020 03:05:44 CEST schreef David C. Rankin:

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On 04/11/2020 03:46 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

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That's where the earlier trick found it. Information, please: How do you find this repo easily? Or have I missed it.

Well, I simply go to https://software.opensuse.org/ and type there the package i want to find.

In the past, you could just type

webpin artha

in the command line and it would search ALL buildservice repos and tell you where to find it.

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But for whatever reason it never seemed to work:

$ webpin artha FAILED: received error from server: 404 Not Found

Seeing the same with the package from the openSUSE:/Tools:/ repo for TW. But, I also see it pulls in a python2 package. Which means webpin is not been moved to python3 I guess. Haven't heard about anybody using it on recent openSUSE versions. My bets are on 'opi'.

Different tools with very different algorithms and logistics.

webpin queried a web service on internet that had already created an index in advance. There was, probably, some sort of cron job that crawled all the repos and indexed all files and packages. That server is not working (it is external), so the "webpin" package can not work on its own.It is not webpin which is broken, it is the server; well, now probably both.

OK, thanks for explaining.

opi instead calls some osc commands to do the search on the build service instead (and the packman equivalent). So as the build service is maintained, the tool works.

# OPI - openSUSE Build Service Package Installer # # Author: Guo Yunhe # Website: https://github.com/openSUSE-zh/opi I like the approach of not having some cached stuff, but a direct connection to an actual situation. At oSC19 I shortly spoke to Guo Yunhe, he was speaking about it as a local software.o.o search. So far my experience is that the tool is well maintained, does what it should is intended for.

I don't have it clear if the obs package has to be installed or not.

No, it's a plain perl script, and perl is on your system. Dies need internet access though :D -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op zondag 12 april 2020 10:36:11 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:

On 12/04/2020 05.03, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Op zondag 12 april 2020 04:34:58 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:

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On 12/04/2020 03.33, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Op zondag 12 april 2020 03:05:44 CEST schreef David C. Rankin: ...

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Different tools with very different algorithms and logistics.

webpin queried a web service on internet that had already created an index in advance. There was, probably, some sort of cron job that crawled all the repos and indexed all files and packages. That server is not working (it is external), so the "webpin" package can not work on its own.It is not webpin which is broken, it is the server; well, now probably both.

OK, thanks for explaining.

Welcome

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opi instead calls some osc commands to do the search on the build service instead (and the packman equivalent). So as the build service is maintained, the tool works.

# OPI - openSUSE Build Service Package Installer # # Author: Guo Yunhe # Website: https://github.com/openSUSE-zh/opi

I like the approach of not having some cached stuff, but a direct connection to an actual situation. At oSC19 I shortly spoke to Guo Yunhe, he was speaking about it as a local software.o.o search. So far my experience is that the tool is well maintained, does what it should is intended for.

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I don't have it clear if the obs package has to be installed or not.

No, it's a plain perl script, and perl is on your system. Dies need internet access though :D

Yes, but I had osc already installed, and I guess you had it as well. I don't have ocs installed.

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On 04/11/2020 08:33 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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$ webpin artha FAILED: received error from server: 404 Not Found Seeing the same with the package from the openSUSE:/Tools:/ repo for TW. But, I also see it pulls in a python2 package. Which means webpin is not been moved to python3 I guess. Haven't heard about anybody using it on recent openSUSE versions. My bets are on 'opi'.

If all it needs is python2->3 move, and the databases are actually working, then it would be great to make the change because the webpin output is far more informative than what you get with opi and it doesn't remain running wanting to install the package for you. Do you know if the databases/indexes for webpin are built? If so, I don't mind seeing what is needed for a python2->3 migration. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin wrote:

On 04/11/2020 08:33 PM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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$ webpin artha FAILED: received error from server: 404 Not Found Seeing the same with the package from the openSUSE:/Tools:/ repo for TW. But, I also see it pulls in a python2 package. Which means webpin is not been moved to python3 I guess. Haven't heard about anybody using it on recent openSUSE versions. My bets are on 'opi'.

If all it needs is python2->3 move, and the databases are actually working, then it would be great to make the change because the webpin output is far more informative than what you get with opi and it doesn't remain running wanting to install the package for you.

Do you know if the databases/indexes for webpin are built? If so, I don't mind seeing what is needed for a python2->3 migration.

I see a webpin package available for Leap 15.2, but isn't the real problem that the website webpin uses isn't being updated ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 12/04/2020 10.17, Per Jessen wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Do you know if the databases/indexes for webpin are built? If so, I don't mind seeing what is needed for a python2->3 migration.

I see a webpin package available for Leap 15.2,

You do?

Yep just downloaded it. From repos, of course.

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but isn't the real problem that the website webpin uses isn't being updated ?

Yes, that is so. And apparently the server can't be placed on openSUSE public servers, because it searches packman (or was it nvidia?). At least that's what somebody said long ago.

http://webpinstant.com/

Regardless of where it is placed, somebody needs to maintain the service. Running it on the openSUSE infrastructure wouldn't change that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 12/04/2020 10.17, Per Jessen wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Do you know if the databases/indexes for webpin are built? If so, I don't mind seeing what is needed for a python2->3 migration.

I see a webpin package available for Leap 15.2,

You do?

Yep just downloaded it. From repos, of course.

https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_15.2/noa... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/04/2020 03.05, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 04/11/2020 03:46 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

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That's where the earlier trick found it. Information, please: How do you find this repo easily? Or have I missed it.

Well, I simply go to https://software.opensuse.org/ and type there the package i want to find.

In the past, you could just type

webpin artha

in the command line and it would search ALL buildservice repos and tell you where to find it.

What ever happened to getting this going again. I notice there was a package for it for 15.0:

$ rqi webpin Name : webpin Version : 1.2.4

My "webpin" package was removed by "something", it no longer exist, and no repo has it now. /var/log/zypp/history-20190301.xz:# 2019-01-11 13:50:23 webpin-1.2.4-4.3.noarch removed ok That was with the 42.3 to 15.0 upgrade. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 12/04/2020 03.16, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 01:47:04 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:
>> I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on several
>> systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a couple days ago.
>> System: Tumbleweed.
>>
>> --doug
> Doug, instead of a blunt sarcastic reply:
> a nice way to look for artha:  - sudo zypper in opi
> - opi artha
> 
> opi searches all the repos like software.o.o does, but only for the running
> distro.
> 

David, your next line here you wrote "-- " which happens to be the 
signature marker. All the text beyond it is lost.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 04:54:03 +0200
"Carlos E. R."  wrote:

> On 12/04/2020 03.16, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > Op zaterdag 11 april 2020 01:47:04 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:  
> >> I have been a devotee of Artha for probably more than 10 years, on
> >> several systems, and now I find it's GONE??? It worked up until a
> >> couple days ago. System: Tumbleweed.
> >>
> >> --doug  
> > Doug, instead of a blunt sarcastic reply:
> > a nice way to look for artha:  - sudo zypper in opi
> > - opi artha
> > 
> > opi searches all the repos like software.o.o does, but only for the
> > running distro.
> >   
> 
> David, your next line here you wrote "-- " which happens to be the 
> signature marker. All the text beyond it is lost.

Well, it isn't lost. My MUA simply displays it in grey; your perhaps
does something different. After all, what would be the point of a
signature that wasn't displayed?

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Le 12/04/2020 à 10:18, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

if for any reason you need to quote the signature, it's enough to select it before answering :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org